Prometheus - Part 4

[SpitCurl]

but the space jockey is in this movie. Ridley Scott said he wanted to explain what we saw in the first alien. it is connected.

Blade Runner is supposed to be from the same universe. this is ''telling a different story''

no offense guys but its over. its ovah. the alien creature from the first movie is in this trailer. its a sculpture on the wall. and we get the space jockey origin.

My statement doesn't contradict that. "Playing in the same universe" means using some of the same elements. That will connect it to the established mythology, but it's still going to branch out.

"What are Space Jockeys?" is the starting mystery, and those answers will unravel bigger questions which make the film a bit more than simply showing us how Anakin got in that suit.

 

[obin_gam]

Wow interesting. Still doesn't make sense to me though. If Weyland/Yutani is this massive, global controlling corporation, how does the Tyrell corporation compete and be so successful? And their Replicants are clearly different to the synthetics in the Alien movies.

One theory I've heard is that the replicants were too well made and after the events in Blade Runner (the replicant rebellion and battles) the corporations "degenerated" the technology, or passed a law hindering that tech to be used, so the risk of them rebelling against humans would be eliminated. This then leading to the creation of the androids of the alien franchise, which are much easier for humans to control.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah, I think the idea was that Blade Runner was set waaaay before the Alien franchise, so in that time, the Tyrell corporation might have gone under, making way for new pioneers like Weyland/Yutani and the "superior" (less human) androids.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Paul WS Anderson just needs to stop making movies.

But then how would Milla Jovavich get work?

 

[DACrowe]

simplicity? the title is what the story is about. and the ship as the same name.

this is as clear as Cameron writting.

No, I was talking about him calling the plot "simple" because it's about a space opera/horror/thing and being upset about there being no actual plot point like what happened to Prometheus at the end of that story. My point is the plot (and title) may not have a lot of twists (we don't know yet), but it is exploring something more dense and thought provoking than the straight forward nature of Cameron's movies over the years.

 

[DACrowe]

The main characters could find a remaining corpse with superhuman DNA, or a thombstone with the word Prometheus, or anything that hold back the use of the name Prometheus until half the film, atleast. Or the planet can be called Prometheus by it's own race, something that the visitors from earth find out during the course of the film.
In the trailer, several alien races is said to have travelled to earth in the past. There we have another connection to greek mythology. A titan could very well be technological advanced alien being, and this film could reveal this in a smarter and much more mysterious way than the explanation we got in Thor.

As I said; they could have done so much with this. Some really heavy writing, something brain-twisting and mind-bending far beyond what we are used to see in American blockbuster films.
I am sure there are better ways than having the film begin with a ship called Prometheus.
But this is a popcorn sci fi after all. We should not demand too much.

"Keep it simple"

The ship in the original Alien is called the Nostromo, which to anyone whose ever read Conrad knows that means bad things. That doesn't take away from the brilliance of that movie.

 

[flickchick85]

But then how would Milla Jovavich get work?

L'Oréal.

 

[DACrowe]

Wow interesting. Still doesn't make sense to me though. If Weyland/Yutani is this massive, global controlling corporation, how does the Tyrell corporation compete and be so successful? And their Replicants are clearly different to the synthetics in the Alien movies.

Blade Runner takes place hundreds of years before Alien.

Corporate empires rise and fall every century.

 

[Still Wynning]

Having sets and tangible locations definitely is the wiser move in the long run with using CGI as a means to enhance what you otherwise can't physically achieve. "sensible" school as Ridley so perfectly put it is the best method.

I like how he called it "sensible school", as if to say that doing those sort of things isn't just some old-school mindset, but should be a common approach to moviemaking.

 

[Schlosser85]

How long before Alien do you think Prometheus is set?

 

[Solidus]

Around 30 years. Is what Ridley said earlier I believe.

 

[Paroxysm]

I guess 80 years!

 

[craigdbfan]

32 years or so.

What Solidus said.

 

[Solidus]

To Paroxysm:

No because Alien takes place in 2122, and this is around the late 2080's early 2090's from what Scott and others have said.

 

[cherokeesam]

No, it comes directly from Ridley Scotts mouth. Listen to Blade Runner - Final Cut's commentary track.

I did. He said nothing of the sort.


The idea of a BR-Alien connection is appealing in fanboy circles, and even Lindelof mentioned drawing inspiration from such a connection; but this is an old myth that has no substance to it, only faith. The only hard evidence anyone ever brought up to support it was the fact that there's a computer screen that's briefly duplicated from Alien to BR (the "CTR ENVIRON PURGE" pic)....and that's only evidence that sci-fi FX crews in the late 70s/early 80s "borrowed" props from each other quite frequently.

I'm not opposed to a connection, and maybe Ridley is actually planning to expound upon it when he works on the BR sequel. But for now, let's leave this in the realm of pure speculation and quit trying to pass this off as fact. (Didn't this very thread hash this argument out many moons ago...???)

 

[DACrowe]

It is up to the viewer to view them as connected or not, as the artist does. However, you'll never find glaring evidence of proof for you because the two movies were made by different studios and thus there can never be an overt reference of one in the other.

 

[DBryan]

You have to look at what's actually within the films. What takes place within the films?

There's NOTHING that takes place within the films to suggest that they're the same universe.

 

[craigdbfan]

Blade Runner and Alien for me personally don't gain anything from being in this shared universe. One is a brilliant loose adaptation of a great book from PKD and Alien is an original sci fi masterpiece. I like keeping them separate.

 

[DBryan]

I agree.

 

[dude stannis]

Blade Runner is a vague idea of what Earth looks like in the Alien universe. That's it.

 

[Roose Bolton]

When was the Peter Weyland video set? He mentions that they're now close to making an artificial life form identical to humans, an odd thing to say if there was countless Replicants running about.

 

[superkong 500]

Looking at some screencaps from the trailer I wonder how shaw survives the squid/protoxeno birth. Its clear that it comes from her(if you watch closely i nthe shot of her inside that closed glass medical slab they're connected via umbilical cord and then you can see stiches on her right side lower abdomen...

 

[Paroxysm]

Blade Runner and Alien for me personally don't gain anything from being in this shared universe. One is a brilliant loose adaptation of a great book from PKD and Alien is an original sci fi masterpiece. I like keeping them separate.

Oh hell yeah.

 

[dude stannis]

When was the Peter Weyland video set? He mentions that they're now close to making an artificial life form identical to humans, an odd thing to say if there was countless Replicants running about.

2023 for the video. 2019 for Blade Runner.

 

[SpitCurl]

2023 for the video. 2019 for Blade Runner.

I'm only chiming in to say that your sig is freakin awesome t:

Oh, and just to stay on-topic, I was probably looking forward to TKDR more than any other film this year, but, with the promotional materials released so for, Prometheus is quickly surpassing that. Can't wait for this movie.