Prometheus - Part 7

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This movie is beautiful visually and I had lots of fun and exciting moments watching it, but...

WTF!? Why does the black symbiote stuff have a different effect on everything it encounters? It disintegrates the engineer at the beginning, turns worms into big killer snake things (I think), turns one guy into a super zombie and makes another guy impregnate his infertile lady with a squid baby?
Why did the Android infect the crew? And how did he seem to know more than any body else? For example he seemed to know immediately how the squid baby got there, like he knew it would happen. And why did no one even acknowledge the squid baby?
What was with the green stone?
What kind of scientists take their helmets off on an alien planet just because the atmosphere is breathable?
Since when aren't guns allowed on a scientific expedition?

I'm a bit disappointed that something as iconic as the 'Alien' creature can be explained away with a plot device as poor as 'all purpose black monster making goo.' Maybe with some further explanation it'd seem better, but I did feel like the story was making itself up as it went along. Much like Lost, gradually moving forward towards an explanation that doesn't exist yet. But I want to stress how much I enjoyed it, it's a great sci-fi mind trip with a lot of the atmosphere that makes Alien great.

One thing I found ironic is that with all the garbage about souls and God throughout the film, the movie actually (though I think unintentionally) explained the origin of life with the phrase 'big things have small beginnings' and the portrayal of complex lifeforms emerging from mere molecules. You don't explain our life by inserting the existence of more complex life (like space jockeys) into the equation, you start simple and work your way up (abiogenesis).
 
Because in that form it reacts differently to different people, its extremely adaptive. And some may be simply different.
He doesn't care, he was doing an experiment.
Air was breathable, so why not?
 
High-res scans from "Prometheus: The Art of the Film" book
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A lot of SPOILERS >> http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1646
 
This movie is beautiful visually and I had lots of fun and exciting moments watching it, but...

WTF!? Why does the black symbiote stuff have a different effect on everything it encounters? It disintegrates the engineer at the beginning, turns worms into big killer snake things (I think), turns one guy into a super zombie and makes another guy impregnate his infertile lady with a squid baby?

In that particular case, wasn't it the mixture of the acid blood from the snake-like creature and the black liquid that provoked this reaction? Other than that, your examples are absolutely correct and I too thought that didn't make a whole lot of sense. Can't wait for a commentary track or making-of that sheds some light onto that mystery...
 
High-res scans from "Prometheus: The Art of the Film" book
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A lot of SPOILERS >> http://www.prometheusforum.net/discussion/1646

Sweet. I see the text is in French, so I'll take a look and see if there's anything worth translating in a later post. Hopefully it contains some answers for us.

edit : OK... No big revelation but here you go for the tidbits :

* The Prometheus was first called the Magellan.
* The idea was to have a ship split in two parts : a main towing vehicle, and various pods at its back, containing whatever the mission would require. In this case : mining equipment, probes, and vehicles.
* The interior of the pyramid was inspired by "Arcosanti", which is itself based on Arcology, the mixture of architecture and ecology. The pyramid's design allows it to trap sunlight and use it to create vapor, and therefore water, resulting in a basic ecosystem capable of sustaining life, no matter where it was built / stationed.
* The landscapes around the pyramid were shot in Iceland, near Mount Hekla.
* Don't look too much into that xenomorph shrine inside the pyramid. The book says that it was merely intended to be a nod to Giger's creature, something the characters were meant to look at and wonder what the hell it was, but apparently there is no big mystery there...
* The Hammerpede was created by the black goo interacting with the worm and the elevation of the room's temperature.
* The near-xenomorph at the end of the film (nicknamed "the Deacon" by Scott due to its pointy head that resembles a bishop's hat) still carries the DNAs of Shaw and Holloway, mixed with that of the Squid and the Engineer. Its mixed heritage is the reason behind its appearance, which is more complex than that of any other creature in the film, who only carry the DNA of one species or individual (worm / Holloway / Holloway + Shaw).
 
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I can't believe how STUPID this movie is!!! Why, Ridley?! :doh::wow:

4/10
 
This movie is beautiful visually and I had lots of fun and exciting moments watching it, but...

WTF!? Why does the black symbiote stuff have a different effect on everything it encounters? It disintegrates the engineer at the beginning, turns worms into big killer snake things (I think), turns one guy into a super zombie and makes another guy impregnate his infertile lady with a squid baby?
Why did the Android infect the crew? And how did he seem to know more than any body else? For example he seemed to know immediately how the squid baby got there, like he knew it would happen. And why did no one even acknowledge the squid baby?
What was with the green stone?
What kind of scientists take their helmets off on an alien planet just because the atmosphere is breathable?
Since when aren't guns allowed on a scientific expedition?

The Engineer at the beginning of the movie used a different kind of black goo
than the weaponized one on planet the Prometheus went too.

That Engineer was possibly suppose to represent the myth of Prometheus sacrificing himself to create humans on ancient Earth.

David infected Holloway, he worked out Shaw slept with him. David probably knew from her medical records as well as her reaction that she couldn't have children so he knew the infection had spread to Shaw seeing as the magic DNA black goo created life forms and she was suddenly a few months into pregnancy all of a sudden.

There is a presumption (within the movie) that all ancient Earth languages have a basis in the engineers native tongue. It was explained that David had spent circa 2 years becoming an expert in ancient languages. Ergo, he was able to translate engineer writing/speech... in the same way someone can read/speak Latin or ancient Greek today.

When David was in the Engineer ship he was reading the alien writing on the walls which is why he knew which buttons to press and where to go on the ship.

David had been secretly communicating with his creator Peter Weyland who was giving him orders.

Its possibly Weyland told David to infect the crew with the black goo to see what would happen (Weyland wanted immortality and a substance that gives life would possibly do that).

David and Peter Weyland were obviously working behind the crews back.

David did ask Holloway how far would he go to get his answers before infecting him which seems to suggest on some level David was seeking Holloways permission.

David later talked about wanting to kill your parents which I read as him wanting to be free of Weylands influence.

I think they must of edited out a scene in which they talk about Shaw and the squid because it does seem odd no one would mention she just knocked two people out and operated on herself.

Holloway was supposed to be rather reckless hence wht he took off his helmet.

They had guns but if you mean taking guns onto the Engineers ship that was Shaw's call and she choose not to allow the mercs take guns with them there.

The answers are there you just need to think about it a bit and it all becomes alot more clearer I think
Sweet. I see the text is in French, so I'll take a look and see if there's anything worth translating in a later post. Hopefully it contains some answers for us.


* The near-xenomorph at the end of the film (nicknamed "the Deacon" by Scott due to its pointy head that resembles a bishop's hat) still carries the DNAs of Shaw and Holloway, mixed with that of the Squid and the Engineer. Its mixed heritage is the reason behind its appearance, which is more complex than that of any other creature in the film, who only carry the DNA of one species or individual (worm / Holloway / Holloway + Shaw).

Cool

So the Xenomorph is in a state of evolution picking up chracteristics of each species it comes into contact with until we end ultimately end up with the Xenomorph we all know.
 
Because in that form it reacts differently to different people, its extremely adaptive. And some may be simply different.
He doesn't care, he was doing an experiment.
Air was breathable, so why not?
I'm a scientist, and first rule is not to smell (ESPECIALLY taste) anything in the lab that's not labelled with exactly what it is. If you don't know, don't touch it.

I have a coworker whose former boss knocked himself out with chloroform breaking that rule. :hehe:

[BLACKOUT]Holloway[/BLACKOUT] would not have been allowed back onto the damn ship if any of them had half a brain. :oldrazz:
 
So the Xenomorph is in a state of evolution picking up chracteristics of each species it comes into contact with until we end ultimately end up with the Xenomorph we all know.

I'm still unsure whether the xenomorphs are actually a highly evolved biological species that started out as some squid inside Shaw's belly, or some kind of mechanically engineered life form that's perhaps based on whatever comes out of that engineer (the Alien shrine inside the pyramid seems to indicate that they already existed at that time..), but either way, I've always loved the idea that the xenomorphs were a corrupted version of their hosts. I just like this idea that, as the ultimate weapon would, they keep evolving by using the characteristics of their enemies/victims/preys against them. They sure know their enemies. From the inside.
 
I thought a few of the scientist in the movie seemed to lack a little common sense to be honest especially
Milburn
 
I thought a few of the scientist in the movie seemed to lack a little common sense to be honest especially
Milburn
Seriously. :funny:

I wish there would be a horror movie where the characters actually did have some friggin' common sense. THAT would be truly scary - to do everything right but still get ****ed.
 
Did the film explain what was the space jockey and it's race?
 
I'm a scientist, and first rule is not to smell (ESPECIALLY taste) anything in the lab that's not labelled with exactly what it is. If you don't know, don't touch it.

I have a coworker whose former boss knocked himself out with chloroform breaking that rule. :hehe:

[BLACKOUT]Holloway[/BLACKOUT] would not have been allowed back onto the damn ship if any of them had half a brain. :oldrazz:

Yes lol..but they all said "no don't"..he did and didn't die..so they followed suit. Not saying its OK to do that lol, it just worked in the film world.

He wasn't allowed later on :woot:
 
Just came back from seeing it. A lot of fun. Sitting with just as many questions as before though :p
 
Yes lol..but they all said "no don't"..he did and didn't die..so they followed suit. Not saying its OK to do that lol, it just worked in the film world.

He wasn't allowed later on :woot:
Could be a long-term chronic effect! Yeesh! :oldrazz:
 
Did I miss it or did they not explain how [BLACKOUT]Milburn and Fifield got lost when they wanted to head back first? It seemed like the script just needed them to be there so they could get killed. I was also confused as to how no one went to Shaw as she escaped, that operation was not super quick, somebody would've shown up.[/BLACKOUT]
 
question,
is the proto xenomorph in the movie the same as the creature in the art of book? the one with the spiky head? and is it as big as that?
 
I think the movie is absolutely terrific. It has heart and terror as well, as well as some pretty good depth. And Im not referring to the whole creationism thing, its actually the character's stories and pathos that made biggest impact on me. I dont know where to start, but if you havent seen the movie yet dont read further cause Ill be "spoilering" the whole thing.

The opening is great, the first notes of the music and the whole credits sequence sets up a great mood and sense of dread contrasted with beautiful and peaceful images. Davids sequences showing him as this harmless, lone guy watching movies and doing chores on the ship is excellent, very moody. Watching Shaws dream was also a nice touch, Davids a great character, he seems to innocent and sincere and yes, Fassbender did a great job with the character. Reading reviews I thought people must be seriously overdoing on praising his performance, but he definitely deserves all the praise he gets. First attack from the hammerpede was actually pretty tense and terrifying, I thought its gonna be a typical gory slasher scene, but it nicely created tension. One of the things I really liked was that Holloway was such an annoying *****ebag and I hated the guy, then the movie successfully twists my feelings when he gets infected and I feel very sorry for him in that moment. The burning is a great emotional moment, but has a flaw in the movie's structure - it cuts away to soon, not leaving enough time to fully digest the drama of the moment. The abortion scene was phenomenal, and it wasnt the gore (there was barely any) or even the idea itself that made it terrifying, but it was Rapace's great, great acting. I mean, she does such a great job in selling the pain and terror that you really feel like its real and her fear and physical and emotional pain is contagious. The whole subplot with Weyland doing the expedition in hopes of prolonging his life was pretty sad, because everyone of us wants to live, and the shadow of death is right upon him. All he wants is just to live, yet he dies in such awful way, killed by a being that he thought would understand his fear and help him. It was also very sad that he still lived for a second after the hit, knowing that all was for nothing and that hes dying. His relationship with David was also interesting. The finale was grand and created genuine tension, something I dont feel during action sequences watching recent movies. It was great to feel the thrill of the action along with the tension again. The ending is one of my favorite scenes, Its very creepy and the creature itself is creepy as hell, sounding like a baby at first and with torso looking like that of a child and this horrific head and double jaw. It was also a nice classic horror ending

What I didnt like was the design of the squid, which was almost as awfully bad as The Thing 2012 designs. I didnt care for the hammerpede either. I didnt like the first explorations scenes too, they just felt bland. Shaw reuniting with David and both going to another world was meh

Whats also interesting is that the movie doesnt have a villain. Monsters appear very sporadically and briefly, engineer appears just at the end, and Vickers isnt a villain, shes just an cold character

Overall, Im extremely surprised by the movie, I expected a good movie and then hoped for one when bad reviews were coming in, but at the end it was better than I ever thought it would be. Definitely buying the DVD, and I think its a great addition to the franchise. 8/10
 
going to see this in a few hours...cant wait
 
I just watched it. Literally. I'm sitting in the theater right now.

I'm gonna go with a solid 9/10.
 
Seriously. :funny:

I wish there would be a horror movie where the characters actually did have some friggin' common sense. THAT would be truly scary - to do everything right but still get ****ed.

If people in horror movies acted with any sense then the movies would be very boring indeed;

Amityville - 'This house is haunted, let's move to a new house'

The Ring - 'I'm not going to watch that video tape'

etc

People HAVE to do stupid things to move the movie along or credits will roll much sooner than it eventually does.

*Man enters house, sees strange creature in the corner of the room, backs out of room, gets in car, drives off*

*roll credits*
 
The scientist in this movie was extra stupid. I mean it looks cute so I'll try and pet it.
 
I saw an early screening of it tonight and I have one major question


why did David "kill" Holloway? Was it because Charlize told him to "work harder" to uncover the secrets of life to cure her father? She didn't even seem to care about her father that much yet she was really rigid about the mission. And would David be that careless about human life that he would experiment on them?
 
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