Prometheus - Part 7

[Motown Marvel]

just got back. i got mixed feeling about the movie. it has aliens and monsters, so thats cool. it has a lot of great ideas. but i feel the ideas never really come to fruition and the story felt far too incomplete.

 

[Liam_H]

I saw an early screening of it tonight and I have one major question

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why did David "kill" Holloway? Was it because Charlize told him to "work harder" to uncover the secrets of life to cure her father? She didn't even seem to care about her father that much yet she was really rigid about the mission. And would David be that careless about human life that he would experiment on them?

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I thought it was because David was taking orders from Weyland, possibly to see what happens. So he did it because of that.

To me Vickers(Theron) wanted her fathers approval/love etc. Weyland seemed to care more about David an android than his own daughter. I saw it as her trying to earn his approval by finding what he wanted.

 

[luke1234]

Damnit Ridley,

You can't just throw around these "ideas" like they're nothing. Yeah the movie looked great, but I got as much as I did during the final scene of Alien then I did with this whole movie. Very disappointing.

Please stay away from Blade Runner. Don't turn into Lucas!!!!

 

[CConn]

Dudes, the whole point of the movie is that when it comes to philosophy, theology, science, life...there is no answers, there's just endless questions and mysterious that lead us deeper and deeper into exploration and self-actualization.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Dudes, the whole point of the movie is that when it comes to philosophy, theology, science, life...there is no answers, there's just endless questions and mysterious that lead us deeper and deeper into exploration and self-actualization.

Bingo! I just caught the late-night showing... and wow. I'll be seeing this movie again tomorrow night. I gave it a 9.1 out of 10 (best film of the year for me).

This film was meant to answer a few questions but, at the same, raise more questions. It wasn't lazy storytelling at all. I thought it was a great metaphor for life and our endless search for answers (and never truly getting the answers we need or want).

 

[luke1234]

Dudes, the whole point of the movie is that when it comes to philosophy, theology, science, life...there is no answers, there's just endless questions and mysterious that lead us deeper and deeper into exploration and self-actualization.

I agree.

But did he have to throw all of them so explicitly right in the audiences faces. Give us the right to discover such underlying important themes in our own analysis and discovery. Don't make it so blatant with such cardboard- cutout characters. This movie needed room to breathe.

Sorry for the rant. Just an opinion.

 

[CConn]

I will say, the one definite flaw the film has is, there really isn't any surprises in the plot. It pretty much too a backseat to the subtexual and sci-fi premises of the movie.

I think it was a phenomenally done film, extremely intelligent, and probably the second best Alien movie after the original - mainly because it's really the epitome of smart sci-fi; consistently introducing new and daring moral and philosophical concepts throughout the film that both shock and sometimes horrify the viewer.

There's still a lot of things I need to dig into upon multiple viewings though. I mean, the whole search for the meaning of life story was very evident, but I can tell they were also trying to say a lot about family, legacies, and religion that I really didn't have a chance to decipher through the first viewing.

 

[CConn]

I agree.

But did he have to throw all of them so explicitly right in the audiences faces. Give us the right to discover such underlying important themes in our own analysis and discovery. Don't make it so blatant with such cardboard- cutout characters. This movie needed room to breathe.

Sorry for the rant. Just an opinion.

But as I just said in my post above, there's numerous underlying concepts and philosophical assertions that were done extremely subtly and will take most people multiple viewings to fully grasp and understand. And they really went beyond simply shoving the main plot point into the audiences faces; they proved their point thematically on the mysteries of science through the story itself never having defined resolutions or an ending.

I didn't feel as though any of the characters were wooden - sure you had your stereotypical supporting cast, but I found Shaw, Vickers, and particularly David to be extremely intricate and - at times - extremely hard to read characters. If anything, this movie has instilled confidence in me that Ridley would be able to do a Blade Runner sequel justice.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

To answer the questions by stating that there is no answers does not work in a movie where there are clearly answers, they just avoid telling them to you. It feels like they couldn't answer it themselves and that is why there is no answer.

This is 2001 done wrong.

 

[Hush]

Amazing film, I have more questions than answers about the Alien universe now but I think that's the point.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

To answer the questions by stating that there is no answers does not work in a movie where there are clearly answers, they just avoid telling them to you. It feels like they couldn't answer it themselves and that is why there is no answer.

This is 2001 done wrong.

If you say so.

 

[Gianakin_]

Solid 9/10 for me. Script issues prevent it from being a masterpiece, but the nature of the movie is such that I may change my mind upon subsequent viewings. I can see why many can be alienated (no pun intended) by Prometheus, but I love this film and I can't wait to watch it again!

 

[Viscal]

Prometheus Clip - Standoff between Vickers & Crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCFmFJKO_E8

 

[Liam_H]

Spoils a fairly big scene but considering the character I guess it doesn't really matter.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If you say so.

I do say so.

If Ridley's name wasn't on it, fans wouldn't be receiving it in the manner they are. The movie is very pretty, but it is also poor in the writing department.

If you are going to leave us with the idea that there are "no answers" or as I feel sequel-baiting (there are answers, we just aren't going to give them to you yet), I really feel the meat of the story needs to be well written and engrossing. Forget the destination, after all it is all about the journey. But here we are presented with something very familiar, with characters outside of David not worth caring about.

It is a beautiful film to look at, but it leans more towards the later two Alien films then the the first two. A pretty, but pale imitation.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

That's solely your opinion, and I don't agree with it.

Don't play the "oh, if it wasn't [blank]'s name attached to this movie, you'd be ripping it" card either. I disliked Robin Hood and a few other titles on Ridley's resume. So please. My enjoyment didn't come from Scott's name being plastered all over the film.

 

[John McGuirk]

Lots of potential, but awful dialogue and poorly put together.

Ridley's worst decision = using Lindelof's script.

I loved LOST, but this felt like an extended episode with a gang jumping into the Alien universe.

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Not to mention how STUPID it was to have Vickers be Peter's daughter. Totally unnecessary. Why couldn't they leave it at Peter saying David was "The child he never had" instead of son?

And I really don't feel like seeing a sequel. This was botched, and I don't wanna see "Elizabeth and David's Head Go to Paradise!" in 20 years.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's solely your opinion, and I don't agree with it.

Don't play the "oh, if it wasn't [blank]'s name attached to this movie, you'd be ripping it" card. I disliked Robin Hood and a few other titles on Ridley's resume. So please...

Robin Hood wasn't Ridley Scott's attempt at doing another sci-fi film in the Alien universe. We also know that his original idea was distorted into something more audience friendly. There is a lot of fanboy investment in this film. Hyped to be the "sci-fi film".

But of course it is my opinion. Just like your thoughts on the film and reaction is your opinion.

 

[Gianakin_]

I found it to be a very deep movie, with lots of symbolisms and the best possible way of posing question and answering them with new questions. I was afraid Lindelof would pull a Lost and he didn't, imo. It's been a long time since I've seen a movie on the big screen and talked about it and debating it with my friends for hours.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Robin Hood wasn't Ridley Scott attempt at doing another sci-fi film in the Alien universe. There is a lot of fanboy investment in this film. Hyped to be the "sci-fi film".

But of course it is my opinion. Just like your thoughts on the film and reaction is your opinion.

Precisely, so don't tell me why I happened to appreciate the film.

 

[spider-neil]

The more I think about it, the more I love this movie. In fact all the things I disliked about this movie were 'Alien' related. I would bet any money that FOX forced the Alien sequences in the movie on Scott.
I think FOX were scared to do a $150m with no ties to any previous franchise. And before someone chimes in with 'Avatar', Cameron had given FOX a billion dollar movie in Titanic, when was Ridley Scott's last hit?

Prometheus - 7/10

take out any connection to 'Alien' - 9/10

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Precisely, so don't tell me why I happened to appreciate the film.

I don't remember naming you. Unless of course you are calling yourself a Scott fan, in which case claims of bias would probably apply.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The more I think about it, the more I love this movie. In fact all the things I disliked about this movie were 'Alien' related. I would bet any money that FOX forced the Alien sequences in the movie on Scott.
I think FOX were scared to do a $150m with no ties to any previous franchise. And before someone chimes in with 'Avatar', Cameron had given FOX a billion dollar movie in Titanic, when was Ridley Scott's last hit?

I think it is the flip side. I believe Scott was the one who wanted the "Alien bits". Wasn't he trying to get another Alien film done for awhile now?

 

[CConn]

To answer the questions by stating that there is no answers does not work in a movie where there are clearly answers, they just avoid telling them to you. It feels like they couldn't answer it themselves and that is why there is no answer.

This is 2001 done wrong.

Well, duh there's clearly answers. That's the point.

In terms of the movie, the filmmakers are allegorical facsimiles to God himself. They created everything, they know what everything means and how everything ends. And we know, they know it, and that's the point. The film is supposed to mirror life's mysterious themselves, and be frustratingly simple and frustratingly lost to us. Again, that's the whole point of the movie. It's copying man's thousands-year-old endeavor to find the meaning of life.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I don't remember naming you. Unless of course you are calling yourself a Scott fan, in which case claims of bias would probably apply.

And yet another nonsensical post.