Prometheus - Part 7

[DoomsdayApex]

So....
[BLACKOUT]Looking at the art of film scans it looks like there was suppose to be two engineers at the opening of the film. An elder one and the one we see in the film.

What does everyone think of that? Is the older person in the hood an engineer at all? I hope they release an uncut version of the film. It really did feel like some stuff was missing [/BLACKOUT]

Yep, I felt that too. I sense a Director's Cut is coming. The finished product arguably had 20 minutes of material cut, in my opinion.

 

[Poeman]

Kingdom of Heaven's directors cut is one of the greatest films I have ever seen.

So trust in Ridley, if he comes out with a Directors Cut, it will be even better

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Spoiler

I don't believe the black liquid and the Xenomorphs were bio weapons. The theme of the movie was about faith and finding the answers to our beginnings. When the crew accepted the engineers as our gods it begged the question who created them?

In the room with the cannisters there was a shrine to the Xenomorphs as well a giant stone head resembling a human's. Well u don't make murals and statues to weapons. I believe that the engineers were looking for their creators too but they were already long gone and sought to recreate them.

They created humanity on earth but they were disappointed in us. We were an inferior version of them. We weren't their perfect being we were their vickers. They decided to replace us with the Xenomorphs but their perfect being, their David turned on them.
It's also possible we were created with the intention of being the base or host for Xenomorphs or that their were different faiths among the engineers and the one from the beginning belonged to a different sect than the ones that the crew encounters.

Great points.

The idea of it being military didn't make sense to me based on the Jockeys running away and the Engineer at the beginning seemingly taking the liquid purposefully.

 

[spider-neil]

Kingdom of Heaven's directors cut is one of the greatest films I have ever seen.

So trust in Ridley, if he comes out with a Directors Cut, it will be even better

I thought the theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven was a disaterous movie so that director's cut must be SOME movie.

 

[Liam_H]

With 40 minutes inserted back in, its almost entirely different.

 

[CConn]

I forget if I saw the DC or not.

I think I did. It wasn't bad. Hardly one of the greatest movies of all time, though.

 

[spider-neil]

DCs can make a huge difference though, for instance Daredevil doesn't make any sense but the director's cut fills in a lot of holes

 

[CConn]

Oh, I know. I'm just saying KOH wasn't that good.

 

[Drizzle]

I forgot to mention earlier, did anyone else catch the Aliens reference when Holloway yelled, "DAVID! WE ARE LEAVING!"

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Great points.

The idea of it being military didn't make sense to me based on the Jockeys running away and the Engineer at the beginning seemingly taking the liquid purposefully.

Colonial Marines were running for their lives in Aliens. It didn't matter if they were military or not. [blackout]Didn't you see the mutated crew member kill 3-4 other members of the ship? He was shot and ignited on fire, and still refused to go down[/blackout].

The start of the movie remains a mystery. It's unknown as to why the [blackout]Engineer[/blackout] sacrificed itself.

 

[spider-neil]

Oh, I know. I'm just saying KOH wasn't that good.

I agree.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I forgot to mention earlier, did anyone else catch the Aliens reference when Holloway yelled, "DAVID! WE ARE LEAVING!"

Yeah.

I honestly thought Holloway yelled out Marines at first.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

The start of the movie remains a mystery. It's unknown as to why the [blackout]Engineer[/blackout] sacrificed itself.

This is obvious.

Spoiler

He did it to create life on earth, just like how the mythological Prometheus put himself on the line for humans. That single cell he created evolved into all the life we know, IMHO

 

[DoomsdayApex]

This is obvious.

Spoiler

He did it to create life on earth, just like how the mythological Prometheus put himself on the line for humans. That single cell he created evolved into all the life we know, IMHO

It's hard to say..

Spoiler

There was no indication that the Engineer was doing this for humanity though. The Engineer slurped down the dark substance, but his motives were unknown.

Was the Space Jockey's sacrifice to create life on Earth? Possibly. Was 'humanity' the end game though? That I'm not sold on.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Colonial Marines were running for their lives in Aliens. It didn't matter if they were military or not. [blackout]Didn't you see the mutated crew member kill 3-4 other members of the ship? He was shot and ignited on fire, and still refused to go down[/blackout].

What? I've never seen Alien/s in full.

I'm talking about the captain in Prometheus saying that the pyramid/cargo was military. But it seems like the Jockeys were scientist.

 

[CConn]

They were probably both.

 

[Punisher Rising]

I got back from this just now and am not sure how I feel about it at the moment. It wasn't a horrible movie but I am somewhat let down by it, mainly for this reason:

Spoiler

This movie seemingly is a prequel to Alien (which I didn't go into it expecting to be, but I did expect it to share many similar elements with it), but if that's the case then I really didn't care for the origin given for the Space Jockey/Engineer nor their design (33 years of keeping fans in suspense and the best they came up with was they look like muscular bald guys underneath and wear weird snouted helmets? And why are they so damn aggressive and hostile if they're supposed to be a superior species to humans yet are intellectually clearer weaker?). I feel it kind of screwed with the mystique the creature had in Alien and ruined what made it work.

Which also brings to me some blatant inconsistancies this has with Alien if it really is a prequel; the Jockey/Engineer isn't in the pilot's seat like he was found in Alien, so how did he get there? Did the Xenomorph drag him all the way back there? Was it another Engineer? And where were the Facehugger eggs earlier?

I guess the whole origin and design of the Engineer is kinda what soured me on the rest of the movie, which isn't really a fair and objective way to look at the movie, but I do find it to nonetheless be my biggest letdown with the movie.

The movie has other problems as well, such as the ridiculously underdeveloped and interchangable cast with the exceptions of Shaw and David. The other actors are wasted, especially Theron and Pearce, who deserved so much better. And the movie also suffers from a lot of pointless scenes that lead seemingly nowhere (I'm looking at you, opening scene).

It wasn't horrible but it just wasn't very good, either. And I'd prefer if it wasn't connected to the Alien series, TBPH. I just feel it messes too much with the canon and other things. It felt like a movie too ambitious for it's own good and ideas it didn't know how to implement.

I'm not sure what rating I'd give it for now. Probably somewhere along a 5 or 6/10, but I need to see it again a few more times with a more open and objective mind.

 

[Lando81]

The film was fantastic. 10/10. Fox is on a roll with thoughtful summer blockbusters.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

What? I've never seen Alien/s in full.

I'm talking about the captain in Prometheus saying that the pyramid/cargo was military. But it seems like the Jockeys were scientist.

There are medical and scientific departments in every military base. That's how we preform experiments involving medicine, performance enhancement, biochemicals, aero-physics, energy resources, weapons, etc.

The fact that the Engineer ship was heading towards Earth did suggest that those canisters were (located in the cargo department) indeed intended to be utilized as bioweapons.

 

[Glassjaw]

Spoiler

I don't believe the black liquid and the Xenomorphs were bio weapons. The theme of the movie was about faith and finding the answers to our beginnings. When the crew accepted the engineers as our gods it begged the question who created them?

In the room with the cannisters there was a shrine to the Xenomorphs as well a giant stone head resembling a human's. Well u don't make murals and statues to weapons. I believe that the engineers were looking for their creators too but they were already long gone and sought to recreate them.

They created humanity on earth but they were disappointed in us. We were an inferior version of them. We weren't their perfect being we were their vickers. They decided to replace us with the Xenomorphs but their perfect being, their David turned on them.
It's also possible we were created with the intention of being the base or host for Xenomorphs or that their were different faiths among the engineers and the one from the beginning belonged to a different sect than the ones that the crew encounters.

Now this I like.

Spoiler

Main reason I'd like to see this would be that the mystery and scareyness of the Xenomorph alien would remain intact. They're almost more interesting because we don't quite know what they are, or when they're from. The Prometheus crew went searching for answers but if even the Engineers themselves did this in regards to the xenomorphs, it would add an extra dimension to them which could be really interesting.

I thought the film was great, some flaws for sure, numerous ones which I can still pick out, but for me at least, they couldn't detract from the magic this film created. The whole film was a beautiful spectacle and I just hope a directors cut can cut some of the parts the film didn't deserve to be left in, and adds in scenes which will allow it to reach the full potential its started with.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

The movie has other problems as well, such as the ridiculously underdeveloped and interchangable cast with the exceptions of Shaw and David. The other actors are wasted, especially Theron and Pearce, who deserved so much better. And the movie also suffers from a lot of pointless scenes that lead seemingly nowhere (I'm looking at you, opening scene).

Without the opening scene, the movie would have no point. As that was the actual creation of human life.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I got back from this just now and am not sure how I feel about it at the moment. It wasn't a horrible movie but I am somewhat let down by it, mainly for this reason:

Spoiler

This movie seemingly is a prequel to Alien (which I didn't go into it expecting to be, but I did expect it to share many similar elements with it), but if that's the case then I really didn't care for the origin given for the Space Jockey/Engineer nor their design (33 years of keeping fans in suspense and the best they came up with was they look like muscular bald guys underneath and wear weird snouted helmets? And why are they so damn aggressive and hostile if they're supposed to be a superior species to humans yet are intellectually clearer weaker?). I feel it kind of screwed with the mystique the creature had in Alien and ruined what made it work.

Which also brings to me some blatant inconsistancies this has with Alien if it really is a prequel; the Jockey/Engineer isn't in the pilot's seat like he was found in Alien, so how did he get there? Did the Xenomorph drag him all the way back there? Was it another Engineer? And where were the Facehugger eggs earlier?

I guess the whole origin and design of the Engineer is kinda what soured me on the rest of the movie, which isn't really a fair and objective way to look at the movie, but I do find it to nonetheless be my biggest letdown with the movie.

The movie has other problems as well, such as the ridiculously underdeveloped and interchangable cast with the exceptions of Shaw and David. The other actors are wasted, especially Theron and Pearce, who deserved so much better. And the movie also suffers from a lot of pointless scenes that lead seemingly nowhere (I'm looking at you, opening scene).

It wasn't horrible but it just wasn't very good, either. And I'd prefer if it wasn't connected to the Alien series, TBPH. I just feel it messes too much with the canon and other things. It felt like a movie too ambitious for it's own good and ideas it didn't know how to implement.

I'm not sure what rating I'd give it for now. Probably somewhere along a 5 or 6/10, but I need to see it again a few more times with a more open and objective mind.

Spoiler

Alien/Aliens was on LV426. Prometheus took place on LV223. So, it doesn't actually contradict anything because it was another place occupied by the same race.

 

[Lando81]

Spoiler

Alien/Aliens was on LV426. Prometheus took place on LV223. So, it doesn't actually contradict anything because it was another place occupied by the same race.

Spoiler

They've been confirmed by multiple sources to be the same place.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spoiler

They've been confirmed by multiple sources to be the same place.

Spoiler

Then why bother with different numbers? Plus, like someone else pointed out, they have proposed a sequel which should bridge the gap. This didn't cover the whole story.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The fact that the Engineer ship was heading towards Earth did suggest that those canisters were (located in the cargo department) indeed intended to be utilized as bioweapons.

I know about our military, but I'm saying that they were just scientist. They were experimenting on us cause we are similar to them. I think

Spoiler

the engineer freaked cause he thought we were coming for them. They started experimenting on themselves(which is what they were running from) then decided to go to Earth and use us.