The engineers are the Igigi, created by the Annunaki (the disk ship in the opening), and the Annunaki sacrificed an Igigi to create man. This is a scene straight out of the Summerian text. This script didn't misstep-- it does what it does for motif and allusion.
The Igigi rebelled against their creators, and thus the explanation for why they were building a primordial slime that creates what can only be described as demons.
If that's true, my respect for this movie just went up tenfold. I wonder if there are a lot of allusions and winks to ancient mythology from the earliest civilizations.
Ever It has a few plot holes. They added a voice over right before it hit theaters. They went through a few scripts. We have a zillion cuts of the movie.
There's actually another version with an entirely different written and acted voice over. The other one (it's on the super-duper bluray edition) is actually better than the TC. Ford and the producers still weren't happy, but Scott oversaw the recording and performance. Ford isn't phoning it in like in the TC and it is more intelligently written.
He is asked the only big mystery, I think this film needed to solve (were those paintings invitations and why were they there). I didn't need answers as to who the Engineers are or why they did what they did. That is great ambiguity. But Lindelof dodges the one central question the film fails to answer, in my opinion.
He is asked the only big mystery, I think this film needed to solve (were those paintings invitations and why were they there). I didn't need answers as to who the Engineers are or why they did what they did. That is great ambiguity. But Lindelof dodges the one central question the film fails to answer, in my opinion.
I would more so say they were just explanations of where they come from. You wouldn't invite a child to a weapons planet. They were stories of their history like all cave paintings are stories of history to pass on to the next generation and so forth. This is where you come from. Like Adam and Eve, look...but don't touch. They couldn't help themselves and they released evil onto themselves.
Damon also mentioned something interesting...they could have went to the wrong planet...the thesis may have been wrong.
I thought the movie was awesome- It was actually scary and tense where it should've been, and the film was just beautiful. I love all the layers of symbolism and ways to analyze it. Doesn't bother me that they didn't answer the big questions- they were already answering a bunch.
Why is the poll closed already?
my problems with lindelof are he had too many needless twists in the second act and he had too many characters who were underdeveloped and there to die (a crew of 17? Why not a crew of 10-12? Like 7 of the crew members had no lines and 5 of them were just there to die anyway).
But "answers?" it worked for me. Spoilers ahead:
We discovered that the ship from alien was one (of apparently many) biological wmd research facilities made to create creatures to wipe out entire planets and species. The space jockeys were going to use this ancient one to wipe out earth 2,000 years ago until something went wrong and their weapons turned on them (which we knew the last bit of from alien) and the reason the shipped crashed was because earthlings stopped it from being reused by a frozen jockey about 40 years prior to the original film. The "distress signal" the weyland corporation sent the nostromo after was likely a coded version of dr. Shaw warning people not to come to this planet and "there is only death." the jockeys also engineered life on earth and thus viewed us as a failed experiment. Why did they create us and later want to destroy us? I actually agree with david, it doesn't really matter. No answer would satisfy such an existential question. Lastly, we discovered the "xenomorph" eggs from the original movie were likely birthed by an alien that had a complicated process as it was created by a mixture of the sj's bioengineering, human dna and sj dna. That also goes back to the mysteriousness of the creature from alien versus the rather dry, "there's a queen bug" from aliens.
Here's some great, interesting quotes from him: Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary.
And more importantly, WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST RUN ZIG-ZAGGY OR SIDEWAYS TO AVOID IT?!? I don't have the answers to these questions, Josh. I'm just the writer
I was wondering if they actually had a translation for what David said to the Engineer, and we could have known, but Ridley didn't want to show it. This should be a great part of the dvd commentary, which he mentions. I was hoping their would be a commentary, and now I can't wait to hear it.
Also he was the writer, he should have wrote that scene differently. How does he not have answers, he's just the writer. Anyway I don't know if anyone else has seen this or not, but what does everyone think about it?
one of the most intense and suspenseful scenes I've seen in a long time with the extraction scene. Because I was squirming in my seat like a little girl. There were also a lot of great scenes where it played with our expectations.
Scott really took a page out of Hitchcock where it's all about atmosphere, sound, music, and never cracking to the moment when it comes to getting a reaction from the audience, and when it happened, the payoff felt right.
I guess if all you do is use Rotten Tomatoes .... critics gave it 39%, but the audience 72%. Metascore was a 63%.
The acting was brilliant as was the cinematography. The only issue the movie suffered from was the transition of Balian into a full-fledged commander in battle (which was lost when the studio trimmed the movie). Otherwise every single actor was on point in this. From Bloom, Edward Norton, Jeremy Irons, Marton Csokas, Liam Neeson, Ghassan Massoud, Alexander Siddig .... just everyone. There wasn't one character I did not enjoy.
What's a matter, were there not enough fight sequences for you?
the idea of Jesus when asking why did the Engineers decide to wipe us out. It came to mind when everyone kept saying they planned to wipe us out 2000 years ago. I thought, what significantly happened 2000 years ago? It made sense based on theories around here. Scott mentions that came up, but is not really in the script. But, it could be just the whole idea of how man was 2000 years ago with the Roman Empire.
Anyway, it's hard to keep up with this thread. A few things.
Can we please keep the Star Wars prequel bashing out. I'm sick of hearing it, it seems lazy, and not relevant to discussing Prometheus.
Also the shots at Lost. No, it wasn't just a bunch of stuff thrown out there with no answers. Most of the answers are there.
Now, back to Prometheus:
Now I'm confused...
The crab-walk zombie that attacks the docking bay. Was that Holloway or one of the two guys left out over night? When I saw it, I thought it was Holloway, back after being roasted by the flamethrower.
And something that really made me say "yeah, right..."
Shaw does a Caesarean on herself and then is shape to run and jump and do all the stuff afterwards? Seriously?
And yeah, I thought it was odd
David infects Holloway who then impregnates Shaw, then David doesn't seem to care about the offspring.
I'll say, despite my initial disappointment, there seems enough that I've seen in this thread that warrants another viewing!
As apparently Alien 3 is as well. After all, David was Weyland's "only son" in Prometheus and Vickers his only daughter who didn't even keep his name. The family line ends in this film yet a Weyland pops up in that movie.
As apparently Alien 3 is as well. After all, David was Weyland's "only son" in Prometheus and Vickers his only daughter who didn't even keep his name. The family line ends in this film yet a Weyland pops up in that movie.
If that's true, my respect for this movie just went up tenfold. I wonder if there are a lot of allusions and winks to ancient mythology from the earliest civilizations.
I guess if all you do is use Rotten Tomatoes .... critics gave it 39%, but the audience 72%. Metascore was a 63%.
The acting was brilliant as was the cinematography. The only issue the movie suffered from was the transition of Balian into a full-fledged commander in battle (which was lost when the studio trimmed the movie). Otherwise every single actor was on point in this. From Bloom, Edward Norton, Jeremy Irons, Marton Csokas, Liam Neeson, Ghassan Massoud, Alexander Siddig .... just everyone. There wasn't one character I did not enjoy.
What's a matter, were there not enough fight sequences for you?
As much as like I KoH, Bloom isn't really that good. He tries I guess. He is believable as a brooder mulling over his wife's death but not so convincing as the charismatic commander inspiring the people to defend the city with their life.
As much as like I KoH, Bloom isn't really that good. He tries I guess. He is believable as a brooder mulling over his wife's death but not so convincing as the charismatic commander inspiring the people to defend the city with their life.
the idea of Jesus when asking why did the Engineers decide to wipe us out. It came to mind when everyone kept saying they planned to wipe us out 2000 years ago. I thought, what significantly happened 2000 years ago? It made sense based on theories around here. Scott mentions that came up, but is not really in the script. But, it could be just the whole idea of how man was 2000 years ago with the Roman Empire.
Anyway, it's hard to keep up with this thread. A few things.
Can we please keep the Star Wars prequel bashing out. I'm sick of hearing it, it seems lazy, and not relevant to discussing Prometheus.
Also the shots at Lost. No, it wasn't just a bunch of stuff thrown out there with no answers. Most of the answers are there.
Now, back to Prometheus:
Now I'm confused...
The crab-walk zombie that attacks the docking bay. Was that Holloway or one of the two guys left out over night? When I saw it, I thought it was Holloway, back after being roasted by the flamethrower.
And something that really made me say "yeah, right..."
Shaw does a Caesarean on herself and then is shape to run and jump and do all the stuff afterwards? Seriously?
And yeah, I thought it was odd
David infects Holloway who then impregnates Shaw, then David doesn't seem to care about the offspring.
I'll say, despite my initial disappointment, there seems enough that I've seen in this thread that warrants another viewing!
Here's some great, interesting quotes from him: Yes. David's dialogue with the Engineer has an English translation, but Ridley felt very strongly about not subtitling it. I spoke at length about this on my DVD commentary.
And more importantly, WHY DIDN'T SHE JUST RUN ZIG-ZAGGY OR SIDEWAYS TO AVOID IT?!? I don't have the answers to these questions, Josh. I'm just the writer
I was wondering if they actually had a translation for what David said to the Engineer, and we could have known, but Ridley didn't want to show it. This should be a great part of the dvd commentary, which he mentions. I was hoping their would be a commentary, and now I can't wait to hear it.
Also he was the writer, he should have wrote that scene differently. How does he not have answers, he's just the writer. Anyway I don't know if anyone else has seen this or not, but what does everyone think about it?
Since seeing the film I've had a suspicion about what David said to the engineer. I don't think it was what Shaw or Weyland were telling him to say. Plus, with David saying
"Don't all children wish their parents to die?" I have a feeling David may have been somewhat responsible for the Engineer attacking them.
He seemed to be almost relieved when Weyland, his father, died. Now he is free to go on his own journey.
"This old man over here is from that planet you want to destroy and he told me to tell you, if you're so smart at engineering us, why couldn't you engineer yourself to have hair, baldy? Then those other three laughed their asses off at you."
Little did David know, that the SJ does not like messengers. A surprise for all.
Since seeing the film I've had a suspicion about what David said to the engineer. I don't think it was what Shaw or Weyland were telling him to say. Plus, with David saying
"Don't all children wish their parents to die?" I have a feeling David may have been somewhat responsible for the Engineer attacking them.
He seemed to be almost relieved when Weyland, his father, died. Now he is free to go on his own journey.
I was wondering about this too Marvolo. We really don't know what David said to the Engineer. He was so curious all trhoughout the movie, why would his chance at finally meeting this higher being that he seemed enamoured with be any different. He could have just asked or said what he wanted to know. Although I don't think he expected the Engineer to do what it did to him.
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It has a few plot holes. They added a voice over right before it hit theaters. They went through a few scripts. We have a zillion cuts of the movie.
Anyway I don't know if anyone else has seen this or not, but what does everyone think about it?
