Prometheus - Part 8

[TheOnlyOmega]

I wonder if those words David was learning while the crew was in stasis were used in what he spoke to the engineer? If so we could probably get a rough translation.

 

[Hypestyle]

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..i'm just glad to see charlize theron doing pushups; they could have extended that sequence..

..great FX, for sure.. the on-location sequences-- that was Iceland? Neat..

..The 'caesarean' sequence was awesomely creepy.. I didn't avert my eyes once!

..so the Engineers are basically bastards, looking to wipe out their "experiment"? Hmm..

..Guy Pearce was the old man? I never knew..

..David is quite complex.. he deliberately infects Charlie.. and only after having his head torn off he seems to get a conscience (of sorts)..

..Too bad about Janek, though I'm glad he had a heroic end rather than contributing to the "random black victim" narrative, and he got to nail vickers! ..

..so is the primary mutagen the dark goo leaking from the canisters?

next up: I hope that Shaw makes it to the homeworld and and gets to cause lots of mayhem for the Engineers.. Space Marines, go!

 

[Frodo]

Before I went to see the film I heard that critics were split on it so I decided to check it out for myself. While I felt the story was a bit generic , I kept thinking about it after it ended , and I could say why. Until I started picking out the pieces that I liked

Spoiler

* David watching Shaw's dreams
* The Old CEO who saw david as a son and wanted to know about the origin of life
* greater questions about what it means to be human
* David's character who was sinister , yet childlike
* Theron's cold and distance character who may or may not be a robot
* Shaw's slightly conflicted character

That's when I realized...i've seen this all before. It soon started to make sense to me , why it was haunting me. This film isn't Alien...It's Bladerunner, Ridley Scott opus.

I mean it has a few of the qualities from the ALien films but really when you look at its larger themes even certain characters, it has Bladerunner's DNA.

David is Roy Batty
Guy Pierce's character is Tyrell , heck, even his building looks straight out of the tyrell corporation
David wathces Shaw's dreams. One of the big themes in BR is that BR's know what replicants are dreaming
Charlize is cold, distant yet lovely...Much like Rachel in BR. Elba even asks her if she's a robot.
Heck even in the cave one of the scientists howls like a wolf , much like Roy Batty does when he chases Deckard.

I actually think its kinda cleaver that Ridley basically used the Alien platform, to express the ideas and concepts from BR. I guess its not suprising then that he next film will be Bladerunner 2 .

I would say if the film seems off , go watch Bladerunner . That's my view anyway.

 

[spider-neil]

I hope they put the director's cut and theatrical cut on the same Blu ray.
I want to watch the director's cut but I seem myself watching the theatrical cut more.

 

[bullets]

..David is quite complex.. he deliberately infects Charlie.. and only after having his head torn off he seems to get a conscience (of sorts)..
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That was out of necessity.

 

[Mandalore464]

I don't know whether this has already showed up in the thread (that's a lot of pages to go through just to check), so in case it hasn't, here's a must read that delves deep into the symbols of the film :

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

Those who liked the film will find it opens even more doors - that's all it does, don't take it as an authoritative essay - as to what the film means. Those who didn't like the film will hopefully find it has more depth than what they thought.

That's when I realized...i've seen this all before. It soon started to make sense to me , why it was haunting me. This film isn't Alien...It's Bladerunner, Ridley Scott opus.

I also thought the two films shared a lot of themes and symbols.

 

[DBryan]

There is no doubt that the film has themes, symbolism, etc running through it but the problem for me is in the delivery.

There's too much that is too 'on the nose'. Plus, there are so many instances that are somewhat nonsensical that it is off putting.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Wait, so now it's too "on the nose?" I thought the common criticism was that it was too vague?

 

[redhawk23]

Now your just being silly.

He had a suit on that could protect him from a freaking silica shard storm. Who woulda guessed it would have done that? I wish all the Discover Channel shows were like what you think these animal biologists are. Those shows would be exciting. What is that new bug no one has seen before!? Let's move away, it could be dangerous. Or, let's kill it first, could be dangerous.

Steve Irwin wrestled reptiles because he wrestled reptiles his whole life, its not like he was on a planet 35 light years away dealing with creatures he had never seen before. Same thing with the guy on River Monsters. He knows pretty much all there is to know about the animals he deals with.

It should also be noted of course that Steve Irwin is dead.

 

[redhawk23]

Wait, so now it's too "on the nose?" I thought the common criticism was that it was too vague?

How many times to people just outright say something to the e
effect of "I'm looking for the big questions!"

Followed by several individuals asking Shaw "Have you lost your faith yet?"


Imagine if Deckard walked around for the entirety of Blade Runner just repeating " What does it mean to be human?" to everyone he came across.

 

[chaseter]

Steve Irwin wrestled reptiles because he wrestled reptiles his whole life, its not like he was on a planet 35 light years away dealing with creatures he had never seen before. Same thing with the guy on River Monsters. He knows pretty much all there is to know about the animals he deals with.

It should also be noted of course that Steve Irwin is dead.

Steve Irwin and the guy from River Monsters weren't born experts. They took risks to learn. Steve was bit by venomous snakes and of course lost his life because he was always filled with wonderment and excitement about animals. You just proved my point for me. Steve Irwin would have been cautiously excited and in wonderment of this new animal. He wouldn't have ran or beat it with a rock. Biologists don't do that. That complaint is bunk. You only complain about that scene because it's not how you would have acted. I would have killed it too. But, that isn't a legit complaint.

 

[Art Damage]

A friend and I are hanging out today and we've either decided to go see Moonrise Kingdom or Prometheus, I've already Prometheus but I feel like I need to see it again.

I really enjoyed it the first time and want to see it if it lives up to my response as "favorite movie so far of 2012" again on a second viewing.

 

[Pink Ranger]

A friend and I are hanging out today and we've either decided to go see Moonrise Kingdom or Prometheus, I've already Prometheus but I feel like I need to see it again.

I really enjoyed it the first time and want to see it if it lives up to my response as "favorite movie so far of 2012" again on a second viewing.

Go see Moonrise Kingdom. Quality drama films need all the support they can get; Prometheus can take care of itself.

 

[Blue Sugar]

How nice, some of the nitpicking has begun!

 

[Art Damage]

Go see Moonrise Kingdom. Quality drama films need all the support they can get; Prometheus can take care of itself.

Yeah that's probably what we're leaning towards though he hasn't seen the film yet and I think he was pretty intrigued by everything. Though Moonrise might be a better bet since it's only in our one downtown theater for a limitied run this week.

 

[nightwing06]

Sorry if this is a repost Warning article contains spoiler

Prometheus causes seizure

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1585705.html

 

[redhawk23]

Steve Irwin and the guy from River Monsters weren't born experts. They took risks to learn. Steve was bit by venomous snakes and of course lost his life because he was always filled with wonderment and excitement about animals. You just proved my point for me. Steve Irwin would have been cautiously excited and in wonderment of this new animal. He wouldn't have ran or beat it with a rock. Biologists don't do that. That complaint is bunk. You only complain about that scene because it's not how you would have acted. I would have killed it too. But, that isn't a legit complaint.

My complaint is that the character acted very foolishly in that instance for no reason other than the script needed him to die. I just find Plot Induced Stupidity to be quite tiresome. That is my complaint.

And I'm not alone in that complaint. The same point is mentioned in several reviews. This discussion has blown this way out of proportion however. Its not a major problem. Its just a moment in the film that I find to be somewhat silly that could have played far better with a few small changes.

Its the least of this film's problems.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Sorry if this is a repost Warning article contains spoiler

Prometheus causes seizure

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1585705.html

You can't buy marketing like that.

 

[Balthus Dire]

How many times to people just outright say something to the e
effect of "I'm looking for the big questions!"

Followed by several individuals asking Shaw "Have you lost your faith yet?"


Imagine if Deckard walked around for the entirety of Blade Runner just repeating " What does it mean to be human?" to everyone he came across.

 

[Infinity9999x]

My complaint is that the character acted very foolishly in that instance for no reason other than the script needed him to die. I just find Plot Induced Stupidity to be quite tiresome. That is my complaint.

And I'm not alone in that complaint. The same point is mentioned in several reviews. This discussion has blown this way out of proportion however. Its not a major problem. Its just a moment in the film that I find to be somewhat silly that could have played far better with a few small changes.

Its the least of this film's problems.

I was okay with him being interested in it, but I agree this his basically idiotic excitement about it was over the top. Very horror-cliche. The man's a scientist, he would have exercised a little more caution. I can understand him wanting to examine the new life form, but getting as close as he did and trying to touch it seemed foolish. I would have liked it better had he been a little more cautious, only to still get killed. That makes it more frightening.

 

[Balthus Dire]

I might've been more forgiving of the stupidity of that part if the thing looked like a harmless, cuddly creature. But, it's like a snake vagina with teeth....NOBODY would've acted the way that character did, especially after having seen what they'd seen already.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I might've been more forgiving of the stupidity of that part if the thing looked like a harmless, cuddly creature. But, it's like a snake vagina with teeth....NOBODY would've acted the way that character did, especially after having seen what they'd seen already.

Yeah. I would have preferred if he had tried to examine it with some kind of tool, possibly trying to collect it to bring it back to the ship to examine later, only for it to break free of whatever containment device he was using and still attack him.

 

[Pink Ranger]

But, it's like a snake vagina with teeth....

Wait, was Madonna in this movie? How did I miss that?

 

[DarthBatman]

I know this might come off as stupid but I watched the movie and it left me really confused did anyone else feel that way? I mean I understood the basis of the movie but the relation to Alien did not seem to be there besides the little nods here and there. I have not watched Alien in like 10 years so I might be missing something.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

MY QUICK REVIEW:

The movie looked gorgeous, just gorgeous and it was mostly well directed but that's not a shock considered who directed it and Fassbender was good but at the end of the day I disliked the film because of that god damn screenplay. I'm not going to get into it right now but Prometheus has one of the worst scripts ever committed to film and I've seen a lot of ****** blockbuster movies.

The character's barely exist and are written in a non nonsensical manner. I literally did not care about one's character's fate.

The movie asks questions and it doesn't explore them or answer them. I'd be fine with them not answering all of the questions provided that they explored them but they damn well didn't do either of those things. The movie asks questions and then asks more questions and that is it. Unacceptable.

The movie was not suspenseful or scary except one part and one part only and the Aliens design was ******. Plus the editing and most of the dialogue was either mundane or terrible.

Right now I don't hate it but I'm beginning to fall in hate with it as I type this.

Rating: 5.5/10

Man did I hate that screenplay.