Quesada killed Marvel.

It's classic for the same reason ****ty music always sells a lot of albums.
 
Yeah, but that doesn't make it good.

Maybe not, but it's still classic Marvel. It's what they've been doing for years, and have made money doing that for years. So they will continue to do it until fanboys wise up and stop buying the crap they're *****ing about. Read the good books, don't read the bad ones. It's such a simple concept.

Either way, for however negative I'm known to be, making such idiotic statements as "Quesada killed Marvel!" and "Marvel is done" is nothing but childish hyperbole. For every bad title Marvel publishes, there are two that are worth getting.
 
And those two generally have nothing to do with the first. Boycotting a business wholesale is not really the way to get that business to change certain aspects of itself. It's like dropping a bomb on a fly.
 
And those two generally have nothing to do with the first. Boycotting a business wholesale is not really the way to get that business to change certain aspects of itself. It's like dropping a bomb on a fly.

Which is why propping up the books you enjoy, aka the good ones, is the best way. I mean, imagine a day where Captain America and X-Factor top the charts and New Avengers and Wolverine: Origins barely make it in the top 100.:csad:
 
Then there are his stories that go on and on and get no where, same's done with the Hulk. The whole epic with him off planet started off okay then just ran too long, I quit reading it. It's like yeah just have him come back and smash and get revenge. Instead it's just a long drawn out bunch of too many titles getting no where and taking a million years to say nothing!!!


I know I shouldn't even ask, but did you even read the bulk of the series? That was one of the best Hulk stories in the last 10 years, and one of the few things that Marvel got right recently. It ran too long? The main complaint I heard was that it went by too quick.
 
Maybe not, but it's still classic Marvel. It's what they've been doing for years, and have made money doing that for years. So they will continue to do it until fanboys wise up and stop buying the crap they're *****ing about. Read the good books, don't read the bad ones. It's such a simple concept.
And a concept I happily embrace.

Darthphere said:
Either way, for however negative I'm known to be, making such idiotic statements as "Quesada killed Marvel!" and "Marvel is done" is nothing but childish hyperbole.
Quesada came in as EIC right as I got into superhero comics. I was completely impressionable. All I knew was I really liked Batman and Captain America, and Superman and Ghost Rider were sort of cool. Quesada proceeded to push through one horrible change after another to a company that had always had the sorts of problems I still begrudge it, as I've said earlier. For me, Quesada ruined Marvel so completely that it took YEARS for me to be able to even bring myself to try anything Marvel other than Cap, and the very occasional Ghost Rider material that would get published.

Darthphere said:
For every bad title Marvel publishes, there are two that are worth getting.
I'd say it's the other way around, but the point is made.
 
I think the problem with Marvel at the moment, is that the FLAGSHIPS are the ones hurting the worst for terrible stories, while the smaller titles are FAR superior.

I would hope one day it flips back to the other way around, but that certainly hasn't been true for a VERY long time now.
 
I think the problem with Marvel at the moment, is that the FLAGSHIPS are the ones hurting the worst for terrible stories, while the smaller titles are FAR superior.

So Cap, Thor, Iron Man, etc. are all horrible now?
 
I think the problem with Marvel at the moment, is that the FLAGSHIPS are the ones hurting the worst for terrible stories, while the smaller titles are FAR superior.

Captain America
Daredevil
Thor
X-Men
Fantastic Four
Hulk
Iron Man

All Flagships.

All kicking ass.

The only flagship that's questionable is Spider-Man.
 
Fantastic Four's certainly not kicking ass in my mind. Loeb's about to ruin Hulk, too.

I agree with the rest, though. The Avengers and Spider-Man are the only flagships that are in really bad shape at the moment.
 
I think the problem with Marvel at the moment, is that the FLAGSHIPS are the ones hurting the worst for terrible stories, while the smaller titles are FAR superior.
Reminds me of a conversation I was having about WildStorm the other day. I'm just gonna stop right there because what has happened to WildStorm is, on a lot of levels, one of the most depressing things in the world to me.

So Cap, Thor, Iron Man, etc. are all horrible now?
Thor and Iron Man are booooooooooooooooooooring.

All Flagships.

All kicking ass.

The only flagship that's questionable is Spider-Man.
Daredevil is a massive disappointment, Thor and Iron Man are boring, F4 is a disappointment, Hulk has sucked for years now and continues to do so. Only Cap and X-Men are really kicking anything resembling ass.
 
Daredevil was cool for a little bit, but it's let me down. I just cannot, for the life of me, figure out why Thor has ever been fun for anyone to read. I gave this new series a try, and I actually really wanted to read it. It looked like a lot of fun. And instead it just bored me.

Iron Man: can't see the fun in reading a book about a character I consider to be the most vile, detestable sentient being in the Marvel Universe.

F4: Same as with Thor, I have tried to get into them several times, including recently, and the only time I've ever really enjoyed them was as background characters in Civil War (and most of the rest of that series, I loathed.)

Hulk: I understand the dilemma writers have had with him. His shtick has the potential to get stagnant a lot faster than most. But the solution to that is to make Hulk more interesting. And that, to me, does not include sending him to space, making him some weird tribal leader, and bringing him back for--yep--one more glorified, implausible, unnecessary, out-of-character hero-fight, the Grand Marvel Tradition!

On the other hand, I pick up the occasional New Avengers, which, while not mind-blowingly awesome, doesn't suck. Not about to start following it religiously, but still. So there that is.
 
I would say Marvel's flagships are Spidey, Captain America, Fantastic Four, Daredevil, Hulk, Iron Man and the Avengers.

I mark two MAYBE that are worth a crap right now, and one doesn't even have the main character in it! (well until now, with Bucky I guess)
 
Is that why he sometimes doesn't have a series, or appear in any books for years a time? :o
 
No, that's because Joe Q hates me, personally. He's had a comic that sold reasonably well for the vast majority of Marvel's existence in its current form, though. His situation is roughly comparable to Aquaman's over at DC. He may not always have a comic due to sales, but he's always one of the company's big names.
 

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