Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 2

[Superchan]

From what I've seen the general movie audiences can be quite forgiving if given good material to sink their teeth into. For example look at Batman begins, sure the movie wasn't a big box office hit but it garnered alot of attention especially after the disaster that was batman and robin and this attention eventually led to the dark knight and the rest is history.
The same happened with x-men, who would've thought that the movie audiences were willing to give that franchise a shot after x3 and xmen origins but first class came out and reestablished faith in the franchise.
The example also extends to non superhero fares like the fast and furious franchise (after fast 5) or the mission impossible franchise (after MI4).

There is no need for a reboot IMO, they have the perfect superman in Cavill and they've got the perfect director in Vaughn (or maybe Bayona after JW2 or even jenkins after WW2), just make a good movie (it can't be THAT hard to make a good superman movie), re-establish faith in the franchise and give the king back his throne.

 

[Greenlite]

From what I've seen the general movie audiences can be quite forgiving if given good material to sink their teeth into. For example look at Batman begins, sure the movie wasn't a big box office hit but it garnered alot of attention especially after the disaster that was batman and robin and this attention eventually led to the dark knight and the rest is history.
The same happened with x-men, who would've thought that the movie audiences were willing to give that franchise a shot after x3 and xmen origins but first class came out and reestablished faith in the franchise.
The example also extends to non superhero fares like the fast and furious franchise (after fast 5) or the mission impossible franchise (after MI4).

There is no need for a reboot IMO, they have the perfect superman in Cavill and they've got the perfect director in Vaughn (or maybe Bayona after JW2 or even jenkins after WW2), just make a good movie (it can't be THAT hard to make a good superman movie), re-establish faith in the franchise and give the king back his throne.

I agree 100%.

I would sign Bayona first before JW2 comes out, if JW2 makes a billion again, that'd be a big win for the studio.

I'd even say if the next Sup film gets good to great reviews, the box office might not reflect it totally, but if people enjoy it at home, the sequel will make a ton of profit, like BB and FC examples.

It could even make a large profit right off the bat if the films coming before him, e.g. Aquaman, Shazam, WW2 even SS2, are critical and financial hits.

 

[FunkMiller]

But, (if) it has 95% RT and awesome WOM

c'mon, you talk like Rick Shew, Wolverine origin and X3 were s*** in the public eyes, what happened with Wolvie in Jap, DOFP, Logan?

Problem with Wolvie comparison is a) Jackman had been in two well received and great X-men movies. b) he’s the only person to ever play him in live action. c) neither origins nor last stand flopped.

Cavill hasn’t earned any of the goodwill Jackman had, md has started now in three movies that either underperformed or just plain sucked.

The comparison point here is Andrew Garfield, not Hugh Jackman.

 

[Tra-El]

WB needs to realize that they have created a world where people are now ashamed of wearing their Superman T-shirt out in the open. They need to really let that sink in.

Lmao. Wow.

 

[Bren]

I've spent the best part of a year looking for a Superman t-shirt to fit my horribly expanding waistline.
I see lots of Superman t-shirts being worn, more so than before MOS.

Admittedly I'm not a massive social creature but that's my observation.
Imo, even if the existing Superman on screen is less than spectacular (open to debate), the actual superman blue with shield is generally considered a good looking shirt regardless, from what I've seen.

 

[Tra-El]

Problem with Wolvie comparison is a) Jackman had been in two well received and great X-men movies. b) he’s the only person to ever play him in live action. c) neither origins nor last stand flopped.

Cavill hasn’t earned any of the goodwill Jackman had, md has started now in three movies that either underperformed or just plain sucked.

The comparison point here is Andrew Garfield, not Hugh Jackman.

Don't spin it. Call it like it is. Hugh Jackman was the face of some awful films, one to where Hugh himself almost walked away from because X-Origins about killed the character. People claim Snyder's Superman acted out of character cinematic wise but Cavill's depiction is straight from the modern version in the comics. Wolverine X-Origins did Wolverine wrong in so many ways it was downright laughable and Hugh was associated with that no matter the case.

A Wolverine solo film starring the beloved Hugh Jackman (even well into the X-verse) got a 38% on RT and failed to get to $200 mil in both DOM and FOR. The film before Origins, X-Men: The Last Stand, which rallied around Jackman's Wolverine, was also rotten with the critics at a 58% so the Wolverine character starring Jackman was barely being accepted at that point, if at all. But, the fans liked him and so did the critics, which is reminiscent of Henry's recent role in Justice League.

Which circles back to this: Hugh Jackman was the prodigy of some bad directions and bad writing. All he needed was a fresh director with a fresh vision. In comes 'The Wolverine' which was good enough to win back some fan trust in a long, drawn out and boring X-verse. That obviously led to the spectacular Logan. Fox could have folded, but they didn't. It's the same exact thing Henry needs and the outcome can be similar. We haven't got that perfect Superman movie yet, but with focus and a new, fresh direction with an actor who adores the character and is still in his prime, age-wise, it can be done and be done with the current cast.

 

[Greenlite]

Problem with Wolvie comparison is a) Jackman had been in two well received and great X-men movies. b) he’s the only person to ever play him in live action. c) neither origins nor last stand flopped.

Cavill hasn’t earned any of the goodwill Jackman had, md has started now in three movies that either underperformed or just plain sucked.

The comparison point here is Andrew Garfield, not Hugh Jackman.

Lol, so Andrew Garfield is the only guy who played Spiderman now?

 

[Greenlite]

Tell you what, I've only seen spidey films in 2000s, hated batman movies until begins, wasn't into X series, never saw X1-2, heard X3 was s***, saw Prestige with Hugh in it - awesome, saw origin, s***, wife dragged me to wolverine in jap, great until the final battle, Logan - wife refused to watch because it's so sad, I watched alone, great!

See the changes from the perspective of a non X-fan? Takes 1 movie, unique trailer and story, some hype, money is theirs.

In fact, my marvel buddy hated origin and wolves in jap so much, he still went to Logan for the hype and loved it, and raved about it. And wife didn't go due to the type of movie, which influence your target audience as well.

 

[Micromind]

Tell you what, I've only seen spidey films in 2000s, hated batman movies until begins, wasn't into X series, never saw X1-2, heard X3 was s***, saw Prestige with Hugh in it - awesome, saw origin, s***, wife dragged me to wolverine in jap, great until the final battle, Logan - wife refused to watch because it's so sad, I watched alone, great!

See the changes from the perspective of a non X-fan? Takes 1 movie, unique trailer and story, some hype, money is theirs.

In fact, my marvel buddy hated origin and wolves in jap so much, he still went to Logan for the hype and loved it, and raved about it. And wife didn't go due to the type of movie, which influence your target audience as well.

Agreed.

But reviewers set high bar for DC movies, and low RT scores kill the hype, so unless the movie is absolutely amazing, not much is going to change.

 

[daddydivine]

WB and DC are just fine. If Aquaman comes out and knocks it out the box then the problem for WB's is trying to throw too many characters at the screen at the same time. I think DC's solo outings will continue to impress and eventually they'll realize how character building for these type of team up event movies work.

 

[Tra-El]

Tell you what, I've only seen spidey films in 2000s, hated batman movies until begins, wasn't into X series, never saw X1-2, heard X3 was s***, saw Prestige with Hugh in it - awesome, saw origin, s***, wife dragged me to wolverine in jap, great until the final battle, Logan - wife refused to watch because it's so sad, I watched alone, great!

See the changes from the perspective of a non X-fan? Takes 1 movie, unique trailer and story, some hype, money is theirs.

In fact, my marvel buddy hated origin and wolves in jap so much, he still went to Logan for the hype and loved it, and raved about it. And wife didn't go due to the type of movie, which influence your target audience as well.

Great post. Same exact thing regarding the X-Franchise and Wolverine as far as fandom went, if not verbatim, with my experience. I was well out of tune with the X-Franchise and Wolverine until The Wolverine hit where I gave it a chance, which ultimately led to Logan, which I loved.

 

[Micromind]

They should just let it rest for a good 7-10 years after WW2. I have found that there is solace in accepting that this is just Marvels time.

WB needs to realize that they have created a world where people are now ashamed of wearing their Superman T-shirt out in the open. They need to really let that sink in.

No, that's not true at all.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Lmao. Wow.

What's funny about WB pissing on an icon?

 

[Tg11]

Might as well reboot the whole entire DCEU from scratch and start again but this time do it right

 

[Tra-El]

What's funny about WB pissing on an icon?

It's funnier than that sig. Seriously, we can see it.

 

[leo1993]

Don't let Snyder direct any more movies, then DCEU might have a chance...

 

[Venom'sDad]

I honestly don't think DC has to reboot or recast. I think the biggest problem is the hierarchy & lack of direction. I look at DC...wow, the potential is there....it being mismanaged & misused.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

It's funnier than that sig. Seriously, we can see it.

Well, you liked JL so I'm not surprised.

 

[Tg11]

I honestly don't think DC has to reboot or recast. I think the biggest problem is the hierarchy & lack of direction. I look at DC...wow, the potential is there....it being mismanaged & misused.

Yeah I see what you're saying but at the same time Marvel they are pulling out all the stops but that aside DC's problem I do have to agree is the lack of direction but the hierarchy is not the problem it is Snyder

The potential definitely is there

But the problem is reshoots and budget cuts

Either way I say the DCEU needs to start from scratch reboot everything from scratch and get it right this time

 

[Tra-El]

Well, you liked JL so I'm not surprised.

This has nothing to do with anything. Like is about as far it goes with me for Justice League. Actually, knowing what's out there and knowing what took place actually dampened my enjoyment for the film so I fail to see what you're connecting here.

 

[Anis]

Yeah I see what you're saying but at the same time Marvel they are pulling out all the stops but that aside DC's problem I do have to agree is the lack of direction but the hierarchy is not the problem it is Snyder

The potential definitely is there

But the problem is reshoots and budget cuts

Either way I say the DCEU needs to start from scratch reboot everything from scratch and get it right this time

But they can't start from scatch. WW and Aquaman are def not going anywhere plus most of the SS casts. If they keep those might as well just start from HERE. What with you people keep suggesting a hard reboot when you know full well 2 out of 6 of the league members are staying.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Yeah I see what you're saying but at the same time Marvel they are pulling out all the stops but that aside DC's problem I do have to agree is the lack of direction but the hierarchy is not the problem it is Snyder

The potential definitely is there

But the problem is reshoots and budget cuts

Either way I say the DCEU needs to start from scratch reboot everything from scratch and get it right this time

The hierarchy allocate the budget, regulate the format, & influencing the production. They are picking what project to fund & at an established cost...which is why they have been struggling to get proposed projects, good directors, producers, writers...and are utilizing WB's small screen sfx people on big budget films, to save cost. You can't run a production like that...Marvel was doing the same thing til Disney showed up & brought stability as well as capital...let's not pretend that didn't play a part; but, you get the gist of things.

Now they do need to decide, what exactly they want to achieve, establish some foundation & direction, formulate a plan conducive to their goals. This is what need to be rebooted...their mindset. They have done what I'm suggesting...they still don't get it. They are creating a world with two batmans & jokers, non-continuity, the propose Flashpoint is going to open up more continuity issues, & they want to do this apart from each other or separate entities. That's the wrong direction & I blame the powers that be...the hierarchy for that.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

This has nothing to do with anything. Like is about as far it goes with me for Justice League. Actually, knowing what's out there and knowing what took place actually dampened my enjoyment for the film so I fail to see what you're connecting here.

Well I mean you chose to make fun of my sig instead of answering my question what's so funny about WB pissing on the DC brand?

Which they are.

You avoided the question so I assumed your enjoyment of JL was the reason why.

 

[FunkMiller]

Lol, so Andrew Garfield is the only guy who played Spiderman now?

No. Toby McGuire was too. And then Spider-man 3 came out... and he wasn't Spider-man anymore.

And George Clooney never came back as Batman.

And Ryan Reynolds never came back as Green Lantern.

And Eric Bana never came back as The Hulk.

And Wesley Snipes never came back as Blade.

All these (and more) never came back because the last movie they were in as that character failed, either financially, critically, with the audience, or all three.

Now... how's Justice League doing again?

Time to take off the red and blue tinted sunglasses guys.

 

[FunkMiller]

Campea kinda nails it here (though I'm sure many won't agree)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5t4ik5I_gE