Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 2

[spider-neil]

Sometimes you just need to carry on and learn from your mistakes.
Look at Fast and Furious after 3. They carried on, learnt from their mistakes and now they have a billion-dollar franchise.

 

[Micromind]

Agreed. The problem is top level management who keep
making bad decisions.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Campea kinda nails it here (though I'm sure many won't agree)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5t4ik5I_gE

Good video

I don't see why anyone would disagree with any of this.

Willful ignorance maybe.

I don't think even the success of Wonder Woman is strong enough to keep this thing afloat. They should just humble themselves, take the L for now and come back strong. They could even use Gal Gadot as the Wonder Woman in their rebooted DC universe.

Give DC it's independence, don't keep making the same mistake over and over and over and over again WB.

 

[metaphysician]

That would really help if it happened. Jenkins, Reeves, Wan and Vaughn would be a solid team.

JLD: Justice League of Directors? *eg*

 

[Micromind]

Hell no to reboot. Making solo origin movies again for Superman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman is a lot of headache.

It's not that simple, and there's no guarantee that they will be successful every time, as Critics set the bar high for DC movies. If any of the origin movies gets bad RT ratings, it will bomb.

Rebooting is not a solution.

 

[FunkMiller]

Hell no to reboot. Making solo origin movies again for Superman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman is a lot of headache.

It's not that simple, and there's no guarantee that they will be successful every time, as Critics set the bar high for DC movies. If any of the origin movies gets bad RT ratings, it's B.O. will tank.

Rebooting is not a solution.

Oh, you needn’t bother with new origins. Just have a completely different cast, crew, aesthetic, tone etc. The audience will buy it fine. They have before.

Rebooting is the solution if you accept the premise that the audience have rejected the current DCEU.

 

[Micromind]

Oh, you needn’t bother with new origins. Just have a completely different cast, crew, aesthetic, tone etc. The audience will buy it fine. They have before.

Rebooting is the solution if you accept the premise that the audience have rejected the current DCEU.

They can have a new producers, writers, directors, aesthetic, tone with same cast. I don't understand why cast needs to go.

 

[Micromind]

And if some of cast members are not being accepted by general audience, they can always recast one or two cast members, no need for full reboot.

 

[STARMAN]

Wonder Woman and Aquaman have a chance to distance themselves from the failure without a reboot. Shazam is safe.

Green Lantern, perhaps luckily, wasn't a part of this. Cyborg will get left behind. Flashpoint is a goner.

Batman is getting at least a partial reboot.

Superman is the character most wounded by the association with this failed universe.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Why is Shazam safe?

 

[STARMAN]

Why is Shazam safe?

He hasn't been a part of this failed universe. He's not associated with these disasters and the people involved in the production are not from those films. They're supposed to go into production soon. They haven't pulled the plug on it.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

But, (if) it has 95% RT and awesome WOM

c'mon, you talk like Rick Shew, Wolverine origin and X3 were s*** in the public eyes, what happened with Wolvie in Jap, DOFP, Logan?

X-Men is a poor example. If anything it confirms the idea that audiences aren't forgiving. Both FC and Wolverine declined substantially (domestically in The Wolverine's case) from TLS and Origins despite their noticeable increase in quality. First Class fell from $234 million domestic/$459 million worldwide all the way down to $146 million domestic/$343 million worldwide.

Logan and DOFP don't count because they were following films that were perceived as being much better in quality (The Wolverine and First Class) as opposed to the ones that got slammed. They were two removed from the duds so there was time for X-Men to rebuild the audience with better quality films.

That's not the case with the next Superman/Justice League film. DC is at the post-Origins spot in the timeline, not the post-FC part.

History shows that it takes time to recover. Batman Begins changed the entire look, actors, director, had great reviews, and had seven years of distance between it and Batman & Robin, and audiences were STILL slow to accept it in spite of all of that.

 

[FunkMiller]

He hasn't been a part of this failed universe. He's not associated with these disasters and the people involved in the production are not from those films. They're supposed to go into production soon. They haven't pulled the plug on it.

Yeah. Shazam was never part of the DCEU, even before JL tanked, so it’s safe.

 

[Iceman]

JLD: Justice League of Directors? *eg*

Haha, works for me.

 

[writer0327]

No to the reboot.
JL was in a way a soft reboot. Total change of tone.
Just keep moving forward.
2018...Aquaman
2019...WW 2
2020...Batman solo
2020...MoS2
2021...Flashpoint
2021... Aquaman 2
in each film give us and end credit scene where Lex is assembling the losing villains in each film for the Legion of Doom/Injustice League
2022...JL2

Nice slow build up. That's how you do it.

 

[MbJ]

Sometimes you just need to carry on and learn from your mistakes.
Look at Fast and Furious after 3. They carried on, learnt from their mistakes and now they have a billion-dollar franchise.

And WB is bringing in Dwayne Johnson now...

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Yeah. Shazam was never part of the DCEU, even before JL tanked, so it’s safe.

I don't know if it is safe, but it should be. That's a film that won't have any of the JL taint attached to it. Just make sure Dwayne Johnson is in it. He would be a big boost to its potential.

 

[markjoedelonge]

I don't know if it is safe, but it should be. That's a film that won't have any of the JL taint attached to it. Just make sure Dwayne Johnson is in it. He would be a big boost to its potential.

I thought so too, but I don't think he's gonna be in it right? He hasn't officially been added to the cast.

 

[metaphysician]

He hasn't been a part of this failed universe. He's not associated with these disasters and the people involved in the production are not from those films. They're supposed to go into production soon. They haven't pulled the plug on it.

Yeah, I think if Shazam were in imminent danger, they'd have stopped announcing new cast and crew.

 

[STARMAN]

I said it before, perhaps like a broken record, but they nead to make a clear decision on Superman. Be it MOS 2, a reboot, or temporarily setting him aside. They have this gap year between JL and Aquaman to catch their breaths, recalibrate and at least try to regroup. Sometime next year they have to come to a decision on Superman's future because it affects how you're transitioning away from the current DC universe.

 

[Predator jp]

one thing for sure, it's not gonna be called Man of Steel 2.

 

[writer0327]

I don't know if it is safe, but it should be. That's a film that won't have any of the JL taint attached to it. Just make sure Dwayne Johnson is in it. He would be a big boost to its potential.

No. This is part of the problem with the DC approach. Stop going for *splash* and start going for substance. Make a good film, to hell with who's in it. Not to say Dwayne Johnson shouldn't be in it, but cast is not the issue with the films, its director and script. Get those right, then worry about the cast.

 

[writer0327]

I said it before, perhaps like a broken record, but they nead to make a clear decision on Superman. Be it MOS 2, a reboot, or temporarily setting him aside. They have this gap year between JL and Aquaman to catch their breaths, recalibrate and at least try to regroup. Sometime next year they have to come to a decision on Superman's future because it affects how you're transitioning away from the current DC universe.

Couldn't agree more. I lay the bungling of the DCEU squarely at the feet of how they've handled Superman.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Oh, you needn’t bother with new origins. Just have a completely different cast, crew, aesthetic, tone etc. The audience will buy it fine. They have before.

Rebooting is the solution if you accept the premise that the audience have rejected the current DCEU.

You would replace Gadot? Because I think that would be a big mistake. She's proven in that role.

Cavill, Affleck, I understand, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

No. This is part of the problem with the DC approach. Stop going for *splash* and start going for substance. Make a good film, to hell with who's in it. Not to say Dwayne Johnson shouldn't be in it, but cast is not the issue with the films, its director and script. Get those right, then worry about the cast.

Well, yeah, director and script are the most important things. But cast is important too, I think the idea of merging Shazam and Black Adam into one film works a lot better than doing a separate Black Adam solo.