Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 2

[JOE]

You would replace Gadot? Because I think that would be a big mistake. She's proven in that role.

Cavill, Affleck, I understand, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Is it Gadot that people fell in love with or is it Wonder Woman? I'm inclined to believe someone else could fill the role just fine.

 

[Predator jp]

there are no reason to recast Gal. people love her as Wonder Woman.

 

[writer0327]

Well, yeah, director and script are the most important things. But cast is important too, I think the idea of merging Shazam and Black Adam into one film works a lot better than doing a separate Black Adam solo.

Yeah i dont think we need a Black Adam solo at all.

 

[Flemm]

Is it Gadot that people fell in love with or is it Wonder Woman?

It's both, definitely. Which is exactly what you want.

Now that Wonder Woman has had a big breakthrough in the movies, somebody else will play the character eventually, in some sort of reboot, or whatever.

But they are going to ride the wave for the moment, which is entirely built up around the combination of Gadot and Jenkins (who are constantly featured together).

It might be smart to separate the sequel from the rest of the extended universe, though.

 

[gerrym51]

I would recast Affleck-because he wants out. However I would just replace with another actor. I would not even bother to 'explain it'.

Other than that keep anyone who wants to stay.

 

[gerrym51]

Yeah i dont think we need a Black Adam solo at all.

I don't see 'the rock' locking himself into multiple appearances. He has FAR to many other things he wants to do and that he is pursued for.

Affleck is in the 'same category'. Oscar winning Actor/producer/writer/filmaker.

these type of actors do not want to tie themselves up forever.

RDJ at Marvel has not shown himself to multi-good or a big-grosser as anything but Tony Stark.

I liked him as 'Sherlock Holmes' though.= I don't know why he doesn't make more of them.


the only 'big money' he gets is as Stark

 

[FunkMiller]

They can have a new producers, writers, directors, aesthetic, tone with same cast. I don't understand why cast needs to go.

Because they’re literally the only people the audience knows about or cares about. You don’t keep the cast around of a failed series of movies.

 

[ThePhilosopher]

Personally, I don't think we need a new cast. I like the actors playing the characters. There were some very good character interaction scenes in both BvS and Justice League. I feel the problem isn't the actors. The main problem is the script and story. You can still create good stories with these characters.

 

[JOE]

Is Gal irreplaceable?

If she was recast would the character never be the same? Does she fit the role the way RDJ made Iron Man his own? The way Heath made the joker his own. The way Hugh made Wolverine his own? If either of the last three were recast I would have a hard time watching that role again... As I did with Leto. I don't feel that way with Gal. She's great, but she doesn't make Wonder Woman what she is. I like the character and what she stands for, but I think there are a ton of female actresses that could do what she does, if not better.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

Is Gal irreplaceable?

Yes.

Does she fit the role the way RDJ made Iron Man his own?

Most definitely.
She is the one getting all of the love and attention. There is no need to replace her. She will be Wonder Woman for as long as she wants to. They'd be smart to build a universe around her as Wonder Woman than doing something stupid like ditching her.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Gal is fine. She's not RDJ, Reeve or Jackman level though.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Ezra's gotta go though

 

[JOE]

Yes.

Most definitely.
She is the one getting all of the love and attention. There is no need to replace her. She will be Wonder Woman for as long as she wants to. They'd be smart to build a universe around her as Wonder Woman than doing something stupid like ditching her.

Is it worth keeping the DCeU going because of ONE successful character? If they continue to just make solo movies then sure. However, if they plan on making more team up movies do the ends justify the means? I personally don't think so.

 

[Predator jp]

replacing everybody with hard reboot doesn't guarantee success. you don't scrap your car just because you have flat tire or two.

 

[JOE]

replacing everybody with hard reboot doesn't guarantee success. you don't scrap your car just because you have flat tire or two.

I wouldn't call MOS, BvS, SS and JL just a flat tire.

I'd say all 5 tires (including your spare) are flat, windows were smashed, transmission is shot, headlights are busted, major body damage and rust to all sides AND you need an oil change.

Does having a nice paint job (WW) mean it's worth it to fix, or attempt to drive, with the rest of those things?

Will we ever see the Snyder cut?

Will Affleck stick around for his solo movie?

...

Spoiler

 

[Binker]

I wish we could go someplace to talk with the general public to get their reasons why they didn't go see or like JL, and more importantly, the DCEU too. Because as of right now, I feel what we think for the most part could just be speculation, while what we dont mention enough or at all are the reasons.



I just hope the reasons aren't:
It didn't like a MCU film, to the point where they'd be interchangeable
Bale isn't Batman and he should be, even though HE WON'T and CAN'T HAPPEN

Gustin isn't Flash, even though HE WON'T and CAN'T HAPPEN
Or anything stupid like that

 

[Flemm]

Is Gal irreplaceable?

Look, this is an internet forum, which means that the discussions here tend to have a very tenuous connection with reality.

Let me see if I can re-establish that connection to some small extent.

Rotten Tomatoes consensus for the movie:
"Thrilling, earnest, and buoyed by Gal Gadot's charismatic performance, Wonder Woman succeeds in spectacular fashion."

Patty and Gal just got a National Board of Review Spotlight Award. Here is the quote from the Wall Street Journal review of the movie that they used in the publicity for that award:

"The moviegoing world deserves the best that Hollywood can deliver. Gal Gadot is dazzling. Director Patty Jenkins' own achievements are remarkable. She has put her indelible stamp on this."

There is probably nothing in movies all year that has generated the kind of positive buzz that the Wonder Woman movie generated, mostly because of Gadot and Jenkins.

Also the movie made 300M+ for the studio, based on estimates.

There is as much chance of a giant purple nihilist actually taking over the earth as there is of Gadot and Jenkins not collaborating on a sequel.

The rest of the DCEU is up in the air, but that really isn't. They may separate the sequel from the rest it. That is entirely possible, but it is a separate conversation.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Gal needs to stick around. I'd like to keep the rest of them too, except Affleck. But I honestly wouldn't mind the others being recast if it means we get better movies.

Now, could that happen? I'm not sure, really. Momoa isn't going anywhere unless Aquaman is bad and/or bombs. If so, then I could see them scrapping him, and the character completely. It's not like Aquaman is some overwhelmingly popular character. The hope here seems to be that Momoa could "make" Aquaman cool. The jury's still out on that one.

I don't think Ray Fisher will be recast, but I have no idea is a Cyborg movie is still in the cards. Again, the character isn't overwhelmingly popular. I'd go see a Cyborg film though; I liked him and Joe Morton is always good.

Ezra Miller... I'm not sure. Given the tumultuous history that the Flash/Flashpoint/Whatever movie has had before ANYTHING has even been filmed, I could see them just holding off on that for a while. Add to that the fact that receptions to Miller have been mixed AND the character was at a disadvantage from the beginning due to fans of the popular CW show not even wanting to give him a chance... I don't know what happens there.

Superman? I personally love Cavill in the role (in MOS and JL at least... I just try to forget BvS ever happened). But I'd be lying if I said that the public has embraced him the way they've embraced Gadot and most of the actors in Marvel films. I blame this more on bad writing and direction than anything else. Even in MOS, a film I still really like, they chose to emphasize a brooding Superman who is unsure of himself for the majority of the film. Something like that works well for Batman but for Superman, people want something bright and optimistic. There are elements of that in both MOS and JL but I don't think it was enough to appease everyone. So yeah, I could see a recast here or WB just ignoring the character for a while.

Affleck was a bad idea from the beginning and has been completely flat in the role, IMO. I know people said he was the one good thing about BvS but it's not like he was universally embraced. The previous two films that featured Batman (and only Batman) both cracked $1 billion at the box office. That should tell you something about how audiences feel about Batfleck. And besides, he clearly wants out. Let him go.

 

[DyeLorean]

The best thing they can do is introduce the multiverse before Marvel does (there are rumors that Ant-Man and the Wasp will introduce the concept) and show that there are several versions of the same characters, which is the perfect excuse to change actors and keep the continuity.
They started on shaky ground, but the franchise isn't in such a terrible place. It can be fixed, specially with different things like Aquaman and Shazam! coming up, which I'm quite excited about myself.

 

[Skrilla31]

90% of the people that bought a ticket to WW don't know who directed it. If Jenkins did not return for WW2, it would not dissuade a single patron's interest in seeing it prior to release. So although it's unlikely they would replace her, she IS easily replaceable.

As for Gal she is obviously a lot less replaceable, but still replaceable. She's not bigger than Wonder Woman. If Michael Keaton is replaceable then so is she.

 

[marcvader]

Other than Affleck keep the same cast.

 

[Binker]

Soft reboot with 5 year time jump! SUPPORT IT!

 

[DyeLorean]

90% of the people that bought a ticket to WW don't know who directed it.

Make that 80%. She got a lot of press with that whole James Cameron thing about Wonder Woman.

 

[Skrilla31]

Make that 80%. She got a lot of press with that whole James Cameron thing about Wonder Woman.

Cameron's criticisms of WW wasn't headline news to anyone beyond the walls of geekdom.

Go out in the street and ask 10 people if they know who Patty Jenkins is.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

90% of the people that bought a ticket to WW don't know who directed it. If Jenkins did not return for WW2, it would not dissuade a single patron's interest in seeing it prior to release. So although it's unlikely they would replace her, she IS easily replaceable.

As for Gal she is obviously a lot less replaceable, but still replaceable. She's not bigger than Wonder Woman. If Michael Keaton is replaceable then so is she.

When you're just talking about the quality of the movie, I wouldn't say they're easily replaceable. It's not easy to duplicate success, but the best shot they have is sticking with what worked.