Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 2

[Greenlite]

So they could set up plan A, B, C etc, wait to see how AM does.

If AM is a hit, considering Shazam is separate anyway (for now if they want), WW2 should be a hit again (don't need to make the insane 400M domestic to be considered success), WB could greenlight production for SS2 (if they planned to shoot next fall, just wait a few months to see how AM does), so you have
2018 AM
2019 SZ and WW2
2020 SS2 and Batman

if SZ and WW2 are hits as expected and they get 3 hits in a row, they then know they've got the formula and structure for success, they then can look at making Flash and Superman movies for 2021...SS2 and Bat SHOULD be hits, then they've got 5 in a row with the same admin team working on Flash/Sup...

I see them only "blow it up" if AM gets another 40% RT and underperforming at b.o., and WW2 falls on her face like Catwoman, Shazam is standalone so it's success/failure don't matter, then they can use SS2 and/or Batman with Jake G and Matt Reeves as a "starting point" for a new start with Batman-universe and build up other characters later. (you could change everyone in SS except Margot Robbie and call it a new BCU and get away with it, Matt Reeves could recast the Joker and he prob won't use other SS villains who have appeared already anyway, and Penguin/Riddler etc haven't appeared yet)

In saying all that, they just fired Berg/Johns, so what do I know, lol, just guessing where they could go based on what cards they have right now.

 

[Greenlite]

Well, no, they won’t throw them out, but the more likely scenario is that they let Patty Jenkins and Matt Reeves conclude their trilogies before rebooting. If Aquaman and Shazam do well, they’ll give them sequels, but I think it’s a done deal that WB eventually reboots the entire thing. It just makes no sense at this point to try to work back up to a JL. Better to get some decent, stand-alone trilogies, see what actually clicks with the audience, and in the mean time map out a (hopefully) better strategy for doing a shared universe.

That's basically the Mark Hughes approach, and he advocated for Johns for full power with autonomy, few hours later Johns got demoted lol.

WB is harder to read than a woman.

 

[Vaibow]

WW2 should make money - AM should also. MOS2 has absolute potential to make money - it's superman!!
Kick on with Shazam - keep it separate - it needs to be a success.

If up to this point - it's looking good, go ahead with AM2, Flash and GL.

Then Flashpoint - that closes this chapter, opens a new one - time travel.

 

[parkerpete]

WW2 should make money - AM should also. MOS2 has absolute potential to make money - it's superman!!
Kick on with Shazam - keep it separate - it needs to be a success.

If up to this point - it's looking good, go ahead with AM2, Flash and GL.

Then Flashpoint - that closes this chapter, opens a new one - time travel.

Hahahahahahaha... sorry but is anyone still contemplating MOS2??? There is no chance that this version of Superman continues.

MOS: WB hires Snyder to do a 'Nolanized' Superman. Movie has mixed-to-negatve reviews; underperforms to expectations given the heavily recognized brand of the character.

BvS: Hey, instead of a direct sequel let's just add Batman! Monster opening weekend followed by absolutely brutal critical response and dismal legs. Only breaks even because of the huge front-loaded release before word of mouth spread. Many people blame the tone, which was inherited from Snyder attempting to make a 'Nolan' version of Superman.

JL: Big team up movie across DC franchises! Complete and total disaster, both financially and critically. Big reveal of the movie hinges on Superman's resurrection. Nobody cares. Most problems can still be traced back to misguided launch of Superman character, and the hiring of Whedon to desperately try to twist Snyder's Superman into a character who actually resembles the classic beloved comic character.

There is NO way they are ever making MOS2, nor do I think it's likely that Henry Cavill will return to the character. Even though I don't pin any of the blame on him, his era as Superman has been a debacle.

 

[Wheels]

Henry Cavill is the guy when it comes to Superman. Too bad he'll be forgotten because he was saddled wtih this mess.

 

[GreenKToo]

I agree with the highlighted...one of several reasons I disagree with any clean reboot. I also fail to see how a Flashpoint scenario would help fix or solve issues such as tonal, character traits/persona, and story issues.

Casting seems to be great & they appear motivated to continues playing their characters; obviously minus Ben. I may be alone in thinking, following JL the animated series would be a start. I kinda think Zack was using it as a model; yet still, somewhat off.

IMO, the ONLY way it would work is if they actually have the ba11s to do it right, and Don't halfazz it.
If you want to reboot it then reboot it all the way.

Have Flash go back and change his mom's death ( like in the animated film ) and EVERYTHING changes in our present because of it.

You could leave WW and AQ alone since one is thousands of years old and the other is isolated from the populace.

If you wanted to get rid of cyborg, you could do it.
If you wanted a different Batman, then there you go.
Superman? totally up to the studios if cavill is gonna stay ( personally, I love him as Supes )
Perfect time to bring in a GL also.

If WB will not commit a 100% to it, ie, bad CG, bad editing, rushed, etc, then i'd rather they wait a few years until someone comes onboard at WB who will finally understand how to do these films right.

Another thing. If they make it, you might as well Lower the expectations for the BO from it. No matter how good it is, it isn't gonna make a billion because of the previous films, but, if it's really good, you can create excitement for the films that follow.

 

[Wheels]

I just want them to let the characters be the characters. The most important lesson to learn from Marvel is not tone it's this: Don't be ashamed of your characters. Don't make excuses and treat them like they are embarrassing. Patty Jenkins wasn't afraid of Diana. Zack Snyder was absolutely afraid of Superman. WB is usually running scared from everyone except Batman and feels the need to apologise and are still mostly in the deconstructionist mindset of the early part of the previous decade.

 

[Aquafinn90]

Where are we getting this "Shazam is separate" thing from? Director confirmed its in DCEU.

 

[MbJ]

Where are we getting this "Shazam is separate" thing from? Director confirmed its in DCEU.

Separate from the build-up to Justice League and the resulting spin-offs. It's going to be its own thing.

 

[Flint Marko]

I just want them to let the characters be the characters. The most important lesson to learn from Marvel is not tone it's this: Don't be ashamed of your characters. Don't make excuses and treat them like they are embarrassing. Patty Jenkins wasn't afraid of Diana. Zack Snyder was absolutely afraid of Superman. WB is usually running scared from everyone except Batman and feels the need to apologise and are still mostly in the deconstructionist mindset of the early part of the previous decade.

 

[thebatfan5194]

Part of me hopes that they give Henry a MOS2 out of the fact that he's been a loyal soldier through all of this. He deserves it.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

They are gonna throw him over the wayside like so many veterans.

 

[Consona]

I just want them to let the characters be the characters. The most important lesson to learn from Marvel is not tone it's this: Don't be ashamed of your characters. Don't make excuses and treat them like they are embarrassing. Patty Jenkins wasn't afraid of Diana. Zack Snyder was absolutely afraid of Superman. WB is usually running scared from everyone except Batman and feels the need to apologise and are still mostly in the deconstructionist mindset of the early part of the previous decade.

That's partly why was WW mediocre while MoS and BvS were excellent.

 

[FatRobin]

I just want them to let the characters be the characters. The most important lesson to learn from Marvel is not tone it's this: Don't be ashamed of your characters. Don't make excuses and treat them like they are embarrassing. Patty Jenkins wasn't afraid of Diana. Zack Snyder was absolutely afraid of Superman. WB is usually running scared from everyone except Batman and feels the need to apologise and are still mostly in the deconstructionist mindset of the early part of the previous decade.

Yeah now that I think of it, the whole "we will get to the real Superman by the end of this movie and that movie" thing didn't really pay off. They should have gone with "the real Superman" from the start. That build up almost felt non-existent.

 

[STARMAN]

You can update aspects of any character, including Superman. But they seem to force-feed their desperation in modernizing him and it leads them to the wrong place. Even Superman Returns. That Jason storyline comes from them looking to modernize him, insuring there is internal conflict, supposedly making him more relatable. Altering aspects or different takes on Superman should come naturally and be part of the story narrative. Not a generic mandate to make him cool and edgy.

 

[Wheels]

That's partly why was WW mediocre while MoS and BvS were excellent.

That's your opinion and that's cool. I feel like thar type of storytelling works best with analog characters.

 

[Wanda Detroit]

That's partly why was WW mediocre while MoS and BvS were excellent.

You are hilarious.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well, no, they won’t throw them out, but the more likely scenario is that they let Patty Jenkins and Matt Reeves conclude their trilogies before rebooting. If Aquaman and Shazam do well, they’ll give them sequels, but I think it’s a done deal that WB eventually reboots the entire thing. It just makes no sense at this point to try to work back up to a JL. Better to get some decent, stand-alone trilogies, see what actually clicks with the audience, and in the mean time map out a (hopefully) better strategy for doing a shared universe.

I honestly don't see a "full reboot" of the whole thing...they are too invested in the actors/actresses, that are well received, to make a drastic move such as that. I think they are moving parts around, as far as, producers, directors, & writers. WB does not have the money Disney has, one of the biggest reasons cgi has suffered; but, they have to invest more in cg if they hope to be more competitive in the comic2film genre.

IMO, the ONLY way it would work is if they actually have the ba11s to do it right, and Don't halfazz it.
If you want to reboot it then reboot it all the way.

Have Flash go back and change his mom's death ( like in the animated film ) and EVERYTHING changes in our present because of it.

You could leave WW and AQ alone since one is thousands of years old and the other is isolated from the populace.

Again I don't see a "full reboot" at the moment...look like just moving parts within the studio. Neitherless, I agree...they can't halfazz, either direction they choose to proceed forward with. They certainly been doing just that with cgi.

If you wanted to get rid of cyborg, you could do it.
If you wanted a different Batman, then there you go.
Superman? totally up to the studios if cavill is gonna stay ( personally, I love him as Supes )
Perfect time to bring in a GL also.

The one reason WB desire to use "Flashpoint" other than for theatrical use, is to reset the casting of Batman...I get that; just a poor use of a story to fix internal problems with the studio. That shows me lack of understanding all around.

Now Cyborg is regarded as pretty good in the role in the story. Ben is letting it be known of his pending departure, which is a problem for me, regardless how well receive he is in the role. Supes, WW, AM, Flash is a must return. And I agree, now is a good time to introduce the Lantern Corps; but, w/o the origin story...just have him being off world when the events of the last 3 events took place(MoS, BvS, JL).

 

[MbJ]

They showed off their slate at the con in Brazil:

A Wonder Woman sequel was the first to be presented with a title card, though it opted to not title itself “Wonder Woman 2,” leading us to believe the film will ultimately be titled something else. A title card for Aquaman soon followed, which makes sense as it’s Warner Bros.’ next DC release.

Other title cards displayed at the convention included Flashpoint, Suicide Squad 2, Shazam, Batgirl, Green Lantern Corps, The Batman, and somewhat surprisingly, Justice League Dark. It’s possible that these movies are those that have been confirmed to be moving ahead at the studio, with it hoping to redeem itself after the critical and financial failure of Justice League.

The slate leaves out movies including Cyborg, Deathstroke, Gotham City Sirens, Harley Quinn, Joker & Harley Quinn, Nightwing, and the Joker origin movie produced by Martin Scorsese.

The most surprising is that they still seem to be. moving ahead with Justice League Dark.

 

[Greenlite]

They showed off their slate at the con in Brazil:



The most surprising is that they still seem to be. moving ahead with Justice League Dark.

I doubt JLD, GLC and Batgirl are happening so this feels like a rehash of the SDCC slate, with alteration to WW2.

 

[MbJ]

Actually of all of them Batgirl feels like one of the few I'm confident will be moving forward.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Actually of all of them Batgirl feels like one of the few I'm confident will be moving forward.

It does seem the most likely.
I just hope they wait until after The Batman.

Spoiler

Also hope Whedon drops out

 

[Greenlite]

That's the thing, it was announced when Whedon took over JL, I suspects it's a cover for that, and Whedon+Batgirl just looks like a ticking time bomb right now.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

I think a Man of Steel 2 with Cavill as Superman could work if WB hires the right director, someone whose movies are well liked and understands the character.
I think most people liked Cavill's Supeman in Justice League. The only complaints about Superman seemed to be the digital non-mustache.

 

[The Guard]

The most surprising is that they still seem to be. moving ahead with Justice League Dark.

It shouldn't be. It's one we've heard the most development on, and one of the few DC projects in development that has had a director attached. It's always been a step and a half behind the other films in its development process.

Now, whether they will actually call it JUSTICE LEAGUE DARK...that's another matter.