Justice League Real Talk - Where does the DCEU go from here? - Part 2

[007]

Agree to disagree.

 

[007]

That's exactly it. They are blind to Clark Kent because they are not looking. Superman isn't hiding who he is. Many people wonder about their similarities. But don't believe such a geek can be Supes.

If makes their characters seem absolutley ridicukous.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Clark Kent is not the alter ego. Superman is.

He was Clark Kent first. From when he was a baby. He grew up on a Kansas farm, lived as an ordinary human being, and experienced ordinary human experiences.

He’s a well brought up American man, who also just happens to be a Demi-god. He doesn’t save people because he thinks he has too. He isn’t burdened by his power. He saves people because he wants to. Because it’s how he was raised.

I’m very much hoping that at some point a film maker will remember this, because you make Superman more relevant, more interesting, and more compelling with more Clark Kent. Not less.

Eh, that depends on the interpretation. In All Star superman, the best damn superman comic of the last 25 years, Clark is the alter ego. Superman is who he is.

 

[Jonwo]

This already happened months ago. The result from these meetings was the new DC Films branding and banner. It all makes sense once everything finally came out and confirmed how chaotic the production really was. Surely WB saw this coming. Their production sure did act like it.

It's very telling that the next two DC films do not have Atlas Entertainment or Cruel and Unusual Films as producers, it seems they were allowed to complete JL and Wonder Woman and I suspect Roven will be kept on as exec producer of WW2 and maybe Deborah Snyder but they won't be allowed in future films.

 

[Val_Zod]

Here's the thing - if Clark went about his life as clark in the city with glasses, a slight slouch, holding himself back so his true character isn't revealed, like, a shy guy, which isn't too hard to portray as that would be at the back of his mind 'people finding out' then it would work totally fine.

Let's be honest, Superman should be a hard person to capture on camera and if they do get shots, which clark will be aware of, it's more paparazzi.

So whilst people will see his face on print - it's very different to reality - i'm sure we have all walked past celebs and not even known it.

Here's the thing tho - do they have comics in that universe and super heroes and secret identities? Do they have hollywood movies? Then you would expect some tabloid papers or bloggers/conspiracists to track him down and work out where he lives etc.

This is why the villain/governemnt could have so much power or hold over clark as they would find out instantly who he is - the daily planet Facebook page would be automatically tagging their reporter in every shot they get of superman.

There you go again trying to over think this. It's pointless to try and put logic into certain things. Audiences know how Clark's secret identity works. No need to explain further.

Eh, that depends on the interpretation. In All Star superman, the best damn superman comic of the last 25 years, Clark is the alter ego. Superman is who he is.

Superman for All Seasons or bust.

 

[Patchwork Man]

It's very telling that the next two DC films do not have Atlas Entertainment or Cruel and Unusual Films as producers, it seems they were allowed to complete JL and Wonder Woman and I suspect Roven will be kept on as exec producer of WW2 and maybe Deborah Snyder but they won't be allowed in future films.

The Snyders are listed as producers on Aquaman and Wonder Woman 2.

 

[Vaibow]

There you go again trying to over think this. It's pointless to try and put logic into certain things. Audiences know how Clark's secret identity works. No need to explain further.



Superman for All Seasons or bust.

Not at all... continuing the real world superman debate. I'm perfectly fine to have the alter ego in the DP office as a contrast to superman, it creates layers of emotion to the character.
I'm asking how deep can we delve into the whole persona thing to really ground it and come up with new twists.
Personally i think the alter ego works better these days as Clark doesn't have to be in the office 24/7, he is out and about and can only be in the office for meetings. That way, Lois doesn't even look at him - just Perry and Jimmy. It would be great if Lois is way to busy to even notice Clark.

 

[Val_Zod]

Not at all... continuing the real world superman debate. I'm perfectly fine to have the alter ego in the DP office as a contrast to superman, it creates layers of emotion to the character.
I'm asking how deep can we delve into the whole persona thing to really ground it and come up with new twists.
Personally i think the alter ego works better these days as Clark doesn't have to be in the office 24/7, he is out and about and can only be in the office for meetings. That way, Lois doesn't even look at him - just Perry and Jimmy. It would be great if Lois is way to busy to even notice Clark.

I guess that would work. He can even be a night shift kind of guy as well.

 

[titansupes]

Clark Kent is not the alter ego. Superman is.

He was Clark Kent first. From when he was a baby. He grew up on a Kansas farm, lived as an ordinary human being, and experienced ordinary human experiences.

He’s a well brought up American man, who also just happens to be a Demi-god. He doesn’t save people because he thinks he has too. He isn’t burdened by his power. He saves people because he wants to. Because it’s how he was raised.

I’m very much hoping that at some point a film maker will remember this, because you make Superman more relevant, more interesting, and more compelling with more Clark Kent. Not less.

I enjoy you, M1ll3r. You do fine work. But this right here is absolutely wrong.

 

[JOE]

I agree with M1ll3r, great post.

 

[Frodo]

One way they could do it , assuming they reboot it ,is for their to be three personas , much like Bale's Wayne had three personas.

There's Clark, the guy from raised in Smallville who the Kent's Lana, and Pete know,basically who Clark/Kal El really is ,

There's Clark Kent's journalist Persona at the DP and in Metropolis. His image to Lois, Perry, Jimmy , Lex and the rest of the press.

There's the Superman's Persona. The image he gives to Metropolis and the world.

 

[Jekecy]

One way they could do it , assuming they reboot it ,is for their to be three personas , much like Bale's Wayne had three personas.

There's Clark, the guy from raised in Smallville who the Kent's Lana, and Pete know,basically who Clark/Kal El really is ,

There's Clark Kent's journalist Persona at the DP and in Metropolis. His image to Lois, Perry, Jimmy , Lex and the rest of the press.

There's the Superman's Persona. The image he gives to Metropolis and the world.

Bingo.

We'll know we'll finally get Superman done right when the director actually ventures into these many facets of Clark/Kal-El/Superman.

For whatever reason both Singer and Snyder have deliberately prevented their actors (who they personally picked) from stretching their acting muscles and dive deep into who their role is. Absolutely baffling.

 

[Vaibow]

I agree with M1ll3r, great post.

I second it... i feel like MOS Clark was searching for who he was, why he was there. He then got told he can bridge two worlds and lead earth to a new krypton-like world. Jor El ultimately felt that was a good thing, not only humanity but for his baby Kal El.

However, on the farm, Pa Kent raised him as a normal kid and had to hide his powers - then the one time he was asked a question "do i save the man that rescued me in front of 30 other people who i may never see again and at best the whole incident be called a miraculous escape or let him die and stay in the shadows". It showed Clark to be this, puppet like son - also, what was Pa thinking, letting his wife and son live with that burden.

Where as Superman the Movie - "all these powers... and i couldn't even save him" whole different dynamic where you just knew Clark wanted to do good.

Snyder made being a hero a burden.

Also, not to go over to marvel too much, but their heroes - how many of the mainstream ones have secret identities??


Spiderman is the best known, or most notable - he's just a kid under there. Hulk, self explanatory - Capt. America is who he is and lays low in public. Iron Man - they know Tony is IM. Thor - Norse God etc.

Superman - Clark
Bruce - Batman
Barry - Flash
GL - Hal
Dick - Robin
Supergirl.. depends on interpretation - anyways. Like someone said, have fun with it.

 

[Vaibow]

Bingo.

We'll know we'll finally get Superman done right when the director actually ventures into these many facets of Clark/Kal-El/Superman.

For whatever reason both Singer and Snyder have deliberately prevented their actors (who they personally picked) from stretching their acting muscles and dive deep into who their role is. Absolutely baffling.

This is it - so many posters on here and fans, plus writers for DC have acknowledged that there are indeed 3 persona's and each one brings it's own drama/excitment for the other two - i really cannot understand how people say Superman is boring.

He could still have a life in smallville, friends, who know who HE is. Then in metropolis he has people around him 24/7 but not know the real guy and the act. Then, he can be this saviour and all they see is the S.

A great director can tap into the loneliness aspect of being a god, that celebrity status but the thrill that comes from being a hero and then the juxtaposition of being at the farm, eating a good home cooked apple pie with (since) high school pals. To going to work and wanting to be social, but holding back - then, the moments when Superman rescues someone, or saves a life and has dialogue and we can truly see him happy, in his element.

Damn this makes excited for a reboot i know will never come.

I felt Donnerverse captured that so well.

 

[Rorschach2012]

At least we still have the STM, SII, and STAS

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Saviors

You can’t save the DCEU alone

 

[Val_Zod]

Saviors

You can’t save the DCEU alone

Miss the old lineup to be honest.

 

[Captain Marvel]

I don't. Especially not Snyder. The DCEU is in the dire straits it is because of Snyder. And Affleck didn't do the universe any favors, either. Neither should've ever been part of it.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I don't. Especially not Snyder. The DCEU is in the dire straits it is because of Snyder. And Affleck didn't do the universe any favors, either. Neither should've ever been part of it.

What about Ayer?
He committed the biggest sin imo

The worst of the worst

 

[JOE]

James Wan is on that list because? Same with the other two outside of Patty. What have they done for the DCeU as of now?

 

[Patchwork Man]

James Wan is on that list because? Same with the other two outside of Patty. What have they done for the DCeU as of now?

Are you serious?

 

[RomanticPenguin]

because he's directing aquaman?

 

[JOE]

Are you serious?

Have you seen Aquaman? I haven’t. Tad early to call then saviors.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Have you seen Aquaman? I haven’t. Tad early to call then saviors.

They’re all good at what they do.
They’re all coming from successful movies.
They’re all not Snyder or Whedon

 

[the last son]

As a DC fanboy it sucks to say, but I can't get excited for anymore of this extended universe. Need to reboot everything. Actors, directors, the people making the decisions. Everything!