Reasons why i think Topher Grace is not Venom (clues say everything and its long)

[TheSlag]

1) We all know who they were talking about.... don't kid yourself

2) Let me make myself more clear, because you probably didn't understand what I was saying, you would have to go further back to do so. If TG is EB/V it would be the UU version as far as appearence, age, size, etc; however, Eddie & the Symbiot history would come from the Classic(616). He would not be a college student and the SYM will not be created in the lab.

I understood what you were saying, I was simply pointing out that just because they mentioned a photographer by the name of "Eddie" in SM1, and just because Topher is more of a match for an ultimate looking Brock... DOES NOT add up to Eddie Brock photographer for the Bugle, and the classic telling of the symbiote/Brock.

Don't get me wrong, I too "think" that is what we will get, and IF you're were just expressing what you "think" we will get... I agree with you. The way you worded it, made it sound like it is a done deal. Which... it is not.

And I still don't think we will get Venom in SM3. Brock... yes. Symbiote... yes. Venom... Too Soon IMO.

 

[TheSlag]

Sigh.

Everyone who's a Spidey fan knows that Gwen Stacy didn't have anything to do with Eddie Brock in the original comic. But I think many of you assume that Raimi et al are always doing an exact adaption of the comic. You would be wrong in that assumption.

At present, from what I've heard, they are doing screen tests with Grace (playing Eddie Brock/Venom) and Gwen Stacy candidates. You can draw whatever conclusions you'd like as to why they are screen testing those actors together in those roles.

And as for a link, there is no link. The only link that people are going to find from non-official sites - from Chud.com, Dark Horizons, SuperHerohype, etc. - are all based on rumors they're hearing from people involved with the film. This is no different.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Wait for the official news, and come back and ridicule me if this turns out to be wrong. And if it's right, you can say what you'd like - that I got lucky and guessed, or that maybe, just maybe I knew some people involved with the film.

*ultra sigh*

And dancin around on one shoe while waiting for the other to FALL... DAMN IT!!! *inside joke*

You're a "tease" you are. And what's sad, is I bet you're a guy too. Anyhoo... Care to expand on this info? Like how you came across it? Your contact? I know, you can't give a name, but maybe some more specifics? About your contact? About actresses who are interviewing for the role of Gwen? How big of a role she will have? What type of character she will be? Classic Gwen? Ultimate Gwen? Will her father have a role? What does your contact do in the business that would make him privy to this "inside info"?

ANY... FRICKIN... THING????

Edit: And while hope springs eternal in a Slag's breast... No... I'm not "buying the milk or the cow" yet... but IF you have some "magic beans"... We can make a deal.

 

[LarryLegend]

Topher Grace is Venom.

This info comes from people associated with casting at Sony in Los Angeles. They've had him do screen tests opposite some Gwen Stacy candidates. And he's done readings with other cast members. This has happened over the past two weeks.

This is a done deal.

Source? Gwen doesn't really fit with Venom since she died about 15 years before Venom was introduced in the comics. Nice try.

 

[LarryLegend]

1) We all know who they were talking about.... don't kid yourself

2) Let me make myself more clear, because you probably didn't understand what I was saying, you would have to go further back to do so. If TG is EB/V it would be the UU version as far as appearence, age, size, etc; however, Eddie & the Symbiot history would come from the Classic(616). He would not be a college student and the SYM will not be created in the lab.

Nice contradiction as usual VD.

You state that Eddie will be the UU version in terms of apperance, age, size. Thats a young man in his early 20's, college students etc. However you also state that Eddie's history would come from the classic 616. Thats a man in his mid to late 30's. How can he be both?

 

[Venom'sDad]

Nice contradiction as usual VD.

You state that Eddie will be the UU version in terms of apperance, age, size. Thats a young man in his early 20's, college students etc. However you also state that Eddie's history would come from the classic 616. Thats a man in his mid to late 30's. How can he be both?

There is no contradiction, just your lack of understanding.

Eddie can easily be a 25 year old graduate, fresh out of college, working as a photographer as well, with high hopes in becoming a writer for the Bugle..... which in turn, could be the reason why he fabricates stories hoping to land a writers job, but of coarse PP/Spidey proves him wrong, and start this cycle of hatred towards PP/Spidey.

 

[LarryLegend]

There is no contradiction, just your lack of understanding.

Eddie can easily be a 25 year old graduate, fresh out of college, working as a photographer as well, with high hopes in becoming a writer for the Bugle..... which in turn, could be the reason why he fabricates stories hoping to land a writers job, but of coarse PP/Spidey proves him wrong, and start this cycle of hatred towards PP/Spidey.

Nope, your lack of comprehension and understanding as usual. You say Eddie will be the same age as the UU version. The ultimate Universe version is like 20 and in college, not 25 and fresh out.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Nope, your lack of comprehension and understanding as usual. You say Eddie will be the same age as the UU version. The ultimate Universe version is like 20 and in college, not 25 and fresh out.

Pish-Posh....... what, you want a No-Prize....LOL

 

[LarryLegend]

Pish-Posh....... what, you want a No-Prize....LOL

Nope. Just pointing out your contradiction.

 

[buford]

*ultra sigh*

You're a "tease" you are. And what's sad, is I bet you're a guy too. Anyhoo... Care to expand on this info? Like how you came across it? Your contact? I know, you can't give a name, but maybe some more specifics? About your contact? About actresses who are interviewing for the role of Gwen? How big of a role she will have? What type of character she will be? Classic Gwen? Ultimate Gwen? Will her father have a role? What does your contact do in the business that would make him privy to this "inside info"?

ANY... FRICKIN... THING????

Understand the frustration. Don't mean to be a tease. Just passing along what I've heard without getting anyone in trouble. I would be more specific if I could, but I don't want to jeopardize anyone's job just to post something specific on an Internet message board.

All I can say is that I heard this info from people directly involved in the casting of all these roles. People who've read the most recent draft of the script (which is still being worked on by Raimi as we speak).

I don't know whether Gwen will be Classic Gwen or Ultimate Gwen. But I do believe that her role will be sizable. Not bigger than Mary Jane, but sizable. I don't believe her father will have a role in the movie, though.

Hope that answers some questions.

 

[TheSlag]

Understand the frustration. Don't mean to be a tease. Just passing along what I've heard without getting anyone in trouble. I would be more specific if I could, but I don't want to jeopardize anyone's job just to post something specific on an Internet message board.

All I can say is that I heard this info from people directly involved in the casting of all these roles. People who've read the most recent draft of the script (which is still being worked on by Raimi as we speak).

I don't know whether Gwen will be Classic Gwen or Ultimate Gwen. But I do believe that her role will be sizable. Not bigger than Mary Jane, but sizable. I don't believe her father will have a role in the movie, though.

Hope that answers some questions.

While I appreciate the reply, you'll understand if I choose not to believe you. And while I understand wanting to NOT jeopardise anyone's job, I think you could provide more info without doing such.

And I understand from your first post that you understand my feelings.

A couple of points though...

1) I would think those involved in casting, would NOT be privy to the script as you state here. They WOULD be privy to the role their looking to fill, but not the script, earlier/reworking version or whatever.

2) How do you know that the script is NOW being worked on by Raimi. And I would assume the script is basically complete, with shooting underway. Yes, the script will undoubtedly be tweaked as it progresses, but I would classify it as complete at this point.

I hope Gwen is in SM3, but you'll understand if I don't chalk it up as fact based on your report.

I have always wanted Gwen, partially because I love her character, but moreso because of what her character can bring to an isolated feeling movie from the concept of ALL about ONE girl approach of Raimi & Co. Part of what Gwen could bring would be her father and his role in the movies. I doubt, that EVEN if we get Gwen, that Raimi & Co would have the foresight to also give us the Captain.

Time... will tell the story.

 

[Martell Now!]

It's too late, for the Captain I believe. But I could be wrong. However a ton of story material has been wasted, by skipping Gwen and Captain.

 

[TheSlag]

It's too late, for the Captain I believe. But I could be wrong. However a ton of story material has been wasted, by skipping Gwen and Captain.

Probably so, if we're talking his great (IMO) storyline where he dies in Spidey's arms. But 1) I think the Captain offers more than just that storyline (kinda like Gwen offers more than just her death storyline), he offers the strong authority figure that is lacking in Peter's life, and as an offset to JJ's hatred of Spider-Man. 2) With rumors of Ock possibly being back... you never know.

 

[Visionary]

I'm going to see if I can get Qwen Stacy in these films, starting in SM3. I'm getting tired of hearing about her. I would love to see a lot more supporting characters in these films, I wanna see other people/characters lives in this franchise besides Peter/MJ/Harry...but my list is long...and right now I'm sleepy.

One more thing, it's never too late for anything, a pen and a pad can get you anything you want put into this franchise...you just have to know how to reach the ones with the power to do it...and that's where I come in...I have a sleeping disorder called ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

 

[Visionary]

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Visionary]

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[TheSlag]

you thought this routine was worthy of three posts??????

The only sleeping disorder you've got Oscar... is putting others to sleep with your posts.

 

[Visionary]

I'm awake now.

I wasn't me, it was slippery fingers.

 

[TheSlag]

I'm awake now.

I wasn't me, it was slippery fingers.

God.... I... Do... Not... want to know... what made them... "slippery".

*runs from thread*

 

[buford]

1) I would think those involved in casting, would NOT be privy to the script as you state here. They WOULD be privy to the role their looking to fill, but not the script, earlier/reworking version or whatever.

2) How do you know that the script is NOW being worked on by Raimi. And I would assume the script is basically complete, with shooting underway. Yes, the script will undoubtedly be tweaked as it progresses, but I would classify it as complete at this point.

I hope Gwen is in SM3, but you'll understand if I don't chalk it up as fact based on your report.

1) I understand why you think that, but you would be wrong.

More than a few people get access to the script. The least of which are people in casting. In addition, people in costume design get the script so they know how to design costumes for various characters' scenes. In short, any number of people involved in production get the script.

2) I certainly have not physically seen Raimi working on the script, but that is what I've heard as of this week. And I heard about it the same way I've heard this other stuff - through people directly involved in the film.

But to respond to your other questions, shooting has NOT already begun, and the script is not in it's final version. You are incorrect to assume that.

Chalk nothing up as fact until you see it on the screen. No matter how many press reports you read on the movie, or, worse yet, links to internet reports, the majority of them will be inaccurate.

All I can tell you is what I've heard over the past few weeks. You are welcome to not believe me if you so choose.

 

[TheSlag]

1) I understand why you think that, but you would be wrong.

More than a few people get access to the script. The least of which are people in casting. In addition, people in costume design get the script so they know how to design costumes for various characters' scenes. In short, any number of people involved in production get the script.

I think I'm not... wrong that is. How in the HELL would they ever keep a leak from getting to the press IF that many people got the script? WHY would these people NEED the script? They (casting agents, costume, wardrobe) need to know the characters, NOT the script.

2) I certainly have not physically seen Raimi working on the script, but that is what I've heard as of this week. And I heard about it the same way I've heard this other stuff - through people directly involved in the film.

Ever wonder IF they're just yanking your chain??? Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

But to respond to your other questions, shooting has NOT already begun, and the script is not in it's final version. You are incorrect to assume that.

Then I'm NOT alone in being "incorrect" then. And we know some second unit shooting has already been done, and the primary shooting is scheduled to begin this month.

Chalk nothing up as fact until you see it on the screen. No matter how many press reports you read on the movie, or, worse yet, links to internet reports, the majority of them will be inaccurate.

All I can tell you is what I've heard over the past few weeks. You are welcome to not believe me if you so choose.

Trust me. I "want" to believe when it comes to Gwen Stacy, or any Stacy in a Spider-Man movie. I've been leading the charge on "one shoe" (inside joke) for quite a while now. I still think Gwen and her father COULD and SHOULD be introduced as a means (if nothing else) to take the spotlight off the ALL about ONE girl.

It's just, you give nothing to hang my hat on here. I wish you could "talk" to these friends of yours and get something more specific, so we could judge IF you were right or not. Like Gwen's role?? Ultimate or not??? Love interest or not??? College student or not????

Any... frickin... thing.

 

[Visionary]

I don't know, remember that girl who's sister worked for Sony, who read the entire Spider-Man 2 script, Sony didn't see that coming?

This just surprised the hell out of me.

 

[TheSlag]

I don't know, remember that girl who's sister worked for Sony, who read the entire Spider-Man 2 script, Sony didn't see that coming?

This just surprised the hell out of me.

I sense sarcasm coming from the trash bin???

 

[Visionary]

Nah, I'm just saying that Sony is better at keeping the villains secret, than the script.

 

[TheSlag]

Nah, I'm just saying that Sony is better at keeping the villains secret, than the script.

If the script is known, why would the villains NOT be????

 

[Visionary]

If the script is known, why would the villains NOT be????

I'm not saying I believe this guy, but someone will get their hands on the script. We'll get about 10 people before SM3 actually comes out stating they have it, and it'll drive us crazy with rumors. But 1 out of that 10 will actually have real info, and maybe the actual script. Harry Knowles/Mori/AICN or LATINO REVIEW get scripts for movies a year or more before they're released...it's nothing new.