Sequels Recasting the X-Men for the MCU

[Lip]

I'm not a fan of flashbacks. Unless they're informing the story that's about to unfold, I'd rather do without them. Unless it was a character study kind of movie where the whole movie has flashbacks to inform you of a characters state of mind a la Wild (starring Reese Witherspoon) or Manchester by the Sea.

It doesn't have to be like Deadpool. It doesn't have to be an approach where flashback is needed. Actually I think it would be bad.

But by now the audience already knows what the X-Men is and that Jean and Scott are a couple. You can develop them without necessarily showing how they met. But eventually you can show a flashback if you have to. Like we eventually can see a flashback showing Uncle Ben. But it wasn't needed in Civil War or Homecoming.

The same way I don't think we need to see the Fantatic Four origin again.

Going by what FOX has already done, they have shown how Jean and Scott met, but didn't develop them properly in either trilogies. Marvel can skip what FOX has done (showing how they met, which there is nothing unique about it that needs to be onscreen) and then do what FOX did not: develop them as individuals and as a couple.

 

[Marvel united]

But what are all those story arcs from the comics so iconic to Cyclops when he was a teenager that needs to be adapted onscreen so the character can work in the MCU?

This is not completely about Cyclops. It's about the entire team and their development that led all the way up to the 90s Run to Astonishing X-Men where they WERE 30-somethings. That led to Cyclops eventually losing his mind after Wanda wiped out all mutants and becoming a mutant extremist. What happened in the beginning that led to these people becoming who they are? When Scott met Jean, when she still didn't know how to read minds, when Hank wasn't blue - just guy with gorrila-esque proportions and strength, when the X-Mansion wasn't a huge school with hundreds of students, when the X-Men first fought the Sentinels, Brotherhood etc?

There's definitely a lot of ground to cover and even then, it's not about whatever story, it's about having a proper first act for these characters.

But there is a super secret world of mutant according to your theory, that even Nick Fury knows about. And going by that you have to acknowledge that the majority of the X-Men characters existed before if you don't want all of them as teenagers discovering their powers, minus Charles, Logan, Eric and Apocalypse.


Anyway, we'll soon see how Marvel will approach that.

The point i was making was that there a very few mutants in the world. There isn't enough for that kind of reveal. There would only be about 500 mutants in the world. There are a rarity which like I said, is how unethical, illegal programs like Weapon X were allowed to be funded by the Government organizations under the radar.

 

[Frankeh]

For me, it's not necessarily that them meeting each other is special, more so the progression from that point on that can get the audience invested enough by the time Dark Phoenix rolls around.

 

[Marvel united]

For me, it's not necessarily that them meeting each other is special, more so the progression from that point on that can get the audience invested enough by the time Dark Phoenix rolls around.

Exactly. if they cast actors around the same age as Tom Holland then they CAN wait 10 or 9 years before doing another adaption of Dark Phoenix. Imagine how much more it will hurt to see these characters you've grown with from the very beginning going through something as tragic as Dark Phoenix? You will feel like you know these people. You will be invested in them. So any deaths or tragedies that happen will hit hard.

This is exactly what's happening in Infinity War. If Steve or Tony dies, it's going to be a gut because the audience themselves have grown with these characters. I was still in High-School when the first Iron Man came out and I feel like I know Tony Stark. Him dying will make me tear up because I've grown with him since he first escaped that Cave in Afghanistan by building a suit from a box of scraps. His death will hit hard.

It's called the hero's journey.

 

[Lip]

For me, it's not necessarily that them meeting each other is special, more so the progression from that point on that can get the audience invested enough by the time Dark Phoenix rolls around.

Well, honestly when I started reading the comics Jean and Scott were a couple already. In the animated series they're also a couple already. I was still able to care deeply about them.

 

[MilkmanDan]

But what are all those story arcs from the comics so iconic to Cyclops when he was a teenager that needs to be adapted onscreen so the character can work in the MCU?

It's not absolutely necessary but I do think Cyclops is one character that could benefit from being portrayed as a teenager. He was a self-doubting, introverted, abused orphan who found a new family in the X-Men. It might be better to see that first instead of jumping straight to the point where he's the stoic leader. That backstory and his growth into a hero and a leader makes him more interesting and more sympathetic as a character.

 

[SumT]

I agree on that, general audience would fall in love with him if a studio has the chance to show all that journey.
on other hand, just the thought of having to wait 6-10 years to finally see leader Cyclops kills me lol

 

[Marvel united]

Thank you guys. This is the perfect way to reintroduce the GA to Scott Summers and have him grow and develop into the strong, brave confident leader that he becomes.

 

[Jh7058622]

No we don't need to see someone from year one to know that they are tortured souls. You just have to package it right within the narrative so that you can see it. Maybe not necessarily flashbacks but other ways to show that you started at a very different place than where you are now.

 

[SumT]

No we don't need to see someone from year one to know that they are tortured souls. You just have to package it right within the narrative so that you can see it. Maybe not necessarily flashbacks but other ways to show that you started at a very different place than where you are now.

tell that to Simon Kinberg and Singer then. Why did they have to introduce young Cyclops in Apocalypse? instead of keep telling stories with adult Cyclops and co?

 

[Jordacar]

I honestly liked both Cyclops and Storm's pre-team appearances in Apocalypse, Storm especially, and I wouldn't mind seeing more time spent on that. But of course they had an actual story to get to, one of the pesky pitfalls of crowbarring the X-ensemble into the blockbuster 3-act structure.

I also really want to see Jean's "origin" depicted (the death of her best friend Annie, which awakened her powers, would be a real kick in the gut), and subsequently meeting Xavier after. I think it'd be a great way to open the reboot.

 

[Marvel united]

No we don't need to see someone from year one to know that they are tortured souls. You just have to package it right within the narrative so that you can see it. Maybe not necessarily flashbacks but other ways to show that you started at a very different place than where you are now.

Marvel Studios disagrees with you:

 

[Marvel united]

I honestly liked both Cyclops and Storm's pre-team appearances in Apocalypse, Storm especially, and I wouldn't mind seeing more time spent on that. But of course they had an actual story to get to, one of the pesky pitfalls of crowbarring the X-ensemble into the blockbuster 3-act structure.

I also really want to see Jean's "origin" depicted (the death of her best friend Annie, which awakened her powers, would be a real kick in the gut), and subsequently meeting Xavier after. I think it'd be a great way to open the reboot.

We have not seen the proper origins for any of the core X-Men besides Charles.

We have not seen the plane crash that awakened Scott's powers, him dealing with being an orphan and doubting himself.

We have not seen Jeans origin story with Anna dying in a car accident, Jean going into a coma being saved by Charles and not knowing how to control her powers.

We have not seen Ororo's parents being killed in a war, her being buried under rubble from the attack and coming out traumatized (with severe phobia of tight spaces) and Ororo being worshipped as a weather goddess.

We have not seen Bobby accidentally freezing a bully to death and having an angry mob chase after him only to be arrested and found by a young Scott Summers.

We have not seen Warren Worthington rescuing his friends from a School Play fire and having conflict within the X-Men (mainly Scott) because of his stuck up rich boy statues.

We have not seen any of these stories explored in any X-Men movie. We have, however, had 5 movies with an established, seasoned X-Men that were at their peak as soon they were introduced.

This is reminding me of the debates a lot of people had over Spider-Man when the MCU deal was announced. Manu people wanted Marvel to completely skip Peter's High-School years because they were tired of teenage Spider-Man. Problem is, we had 4 movies of Peter Parker as an adult in College and only 1 movie of him in High-school which didn't even utilize the setting hardly at all. Marvel did the right thing by going to Peter's early years, when he didn't know "how" to be a great hero. Now - when the time finally comes for Peter to become one of the greatest heroes in the MCU, It's going to feel earned because we've seen him grow up over the course of multiple movies. That's what the X-Men need.

 

[Jordacar]

^Plenty for the MCU to chew on. And the size of the post is another reason I support the X-Universe on TV in some form. We wouldn't have to wait 6-10 years to see Cyclops become leader. Or Storm.

 

[Tg11]

Dennis Quaid as Senator Kelly in the MCU

 

[x-er]

Marvel Studios disagrees with you:

I am really curious to see how Captain Marvel plays out. If you notice, there are no girls up there.

For Fox, it's Kitty Pryde, and Gambit if there are solo films in the works. That heist idea was great for a gambit debut. Look at Ocean's 8 female crew! This stuff's still selling and Marvel's yet to give us a hero with a screwed up sense of morals, someone who's in the gray area at times but turns out to be superhero in the end.

 

[Jh7058622]

Marvel Studios disagrees with you:

What are you even talking about? All of those people are adults except Peter...

 

[Marvel united]

What are you even talking about? All of those people are adults except Peter...

I'm talking about Marvel starting their characters at the beginning of their journey. The incoming Captain Marvel is an origin story as well. In the comics - before he was Iron Man, Tony Stark built a suit in a cave to save his life. Before he was Cap, Steve Rogers was just a skinny, little guy with a big heart. Strange was an egotistical surgeon etc. The MCU starts these characters as they first appeared in the books and develops them through subsequent movies. They never skip 10 years of developmental for a major character and lazily show the past in flashbacks like you're suggesting they do for the X-Men

 

[Jh7058622]

Even then you're incorrect because most of these characters had
A. Flashbacks to set up motivations or B. It only set up one person in an ensemble but C. It didn't start from childhood as most of the X-Men would have to

so I fail to see the strawman connection you concocted.

If anything it only backs my thought that we can start later in life then get sprinkled in their youth agst motivations.

 

[Marvel united]

Even then you're incorrect because most of these characters had
A. Flashbacks to set up motivations or B. It only set up one person in an ensemble but C. It didn't start from childhood as most of the X-Men would have to

so I fail to see the strawman connection you concocted.

If anything it only backs my thought that we can start later in life then get sprinkled in their youth agst motivations.

A.Tony Stark becoming Iron Man was not a flashback, it was the entire movie's narrative. Same for Doctor Strange, Guardians, Black Panther (becoming king of Wakanda), Ant-Man and Guardians. None of these movies were told through flashback.

B. It sets up the Main characters, the main players. Which is what the X-Men as a group is.

C. This had little to do with the primary point I'm making. Tony Stark did not start off as a child nor did Rogers or Strange. That's not the correlation I'm making. They start off as they were when they first appeared in the comics. Spider-Man was a child during his early years. Guess what he is in the MCU? A TEENAGER. Dealing with girls and homework exactly as he did in the first 30 issues of Amazing Spider-Man. So what do the X-Men start off as? Kids. Now based on Marvels TRACK RECORD - where would they start the X-Men in the MCU? 10 years into being the X-Men or right at the beginning like they do for all of their heroes? The answer is obvious.

I'm not the one creating a Straw Man. You are the one twisting my argument into something completely different than I intended it to be (As If Stark not being a kid has anything to do with the X-Men being kids. Stark was NEVER a teenager. That's not what he was in the comics) stating blatant incorrect facts about the movie (the origin stories being told via flashbacks) to validate your own argument.

I fail to see how you've come to the conclusion that Marvel will use flashbacks and start the X-Men off as seasoned, veterans when they've been doing the opposite of that for the past 10 years.

 

[Tg11]

We have not seen the proper origins for any of the core X-Men besides Charles.

We have not seen the plane crash that awakened Scott's powers, him dealing with being an orphan and doubting himself.

We have not seen Jeans origin story with Anna dying in a car accident, Jean going into a coma being saved by Charles and not knowing how to control her powers.

We have not seen Ororo's parents being killed in a war, her being buried under rubble from the attack and coming out traumatized (with severe phobia of tight spaces) and Ororo being worshipped as a weather goddess.

We have not seen Bobby accidentally freezing a bully to death and having an angry mob chase after him only to be arrested and found by a young Scott Summers.

We have not seen Warren Worthington rescuing his friends from a School Play fire and having conflict within the X-Men (mainly Scott) because of his stuck up rich boy statues.

We have not seen any of these stories explored in any X-Men movie. We have, however, had 5 movies with an established, seasoned X-Men that were at their peak as soon they were introduced.

This is reminding me of the debates a lot of people had over Spider-Man when the MCU deal was announced. Manu people wanted Marvel to completely skip Peter's High-School years because they were tired of teenage Spider-Man. Problem is, we had 4 movies of Peter Parker as an adult in College and only 1 movie of him in High-school which didn't even utilize the setting hardly at all. Marvel did the right thing by going to Peter's early years, when he didn't know "how" to be a great hero. Now - when the time finally comes for Peter to become one of the greatest heroes in the MCU, It's going to feel earned because we've seen him grow up over the course of multiple movies. That's what the X-Men need.

If they do the origin true to this on film then I actually would love to see it

 

[Silvermoth]

I could see Kelly McDonald playing Moira. Might be fun for the xmen to encounter proteus

 

[psylockolussus]

Logan Lerman would be cool as Iceman.



I'd cast Tom.Cruise if he was in early 40s.

I'd cast Ryan Gosling for Gambit, Emma Watson for Shadowcat, the Mulan live action actress for Jubilee, Zhang Ziyi for Psylocke, Denzel Washington for Bishop, Sofia Boutelle as Spiral, Jim.Carrey as Mojo, Jon Hamm as Sinister.

I would have suggested Tom Hardy for Wolverine but he's already playing Venom in Sony verse.

Make it happen Disney!

 

[Silvermoth]

Gosh that would be two x-villains actors named Hamm and bacon

 

[psylockolussus]

Is there a problem with that?