The Dark Knight Rumoured - Batman has a new ride?

[cryptic name]

the idea of getting rid of the batmobile altogether is stupid. nolan's realism approach only works when the unchanging essential details of the character are kept intact. bruce wayne is batman. he does what he does because of the deaths of his parents. he dresses as a bat to strike fear into the hearts of criminals. he lives in a mansion on top of the batcave. he drives a batmobile. gordon calls him with a bat signal.
introducing and explaining those things in a real world fashion is what makes this series great.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Oh you know damn well what Ronny wants...

[IMAGE DELETED TO SPARE MY SANITY]

I've begun to fear this is true. Say it ain't so, Ronald!

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't really see how leaving yourself open as a huge target like that would be practical.

Target? Hell, that car is damned near indestructable. Unless you have some serious military-grade ordinance.

The point is for him to get from Point A to Point B w/o being seen.

Since when was it the point not to be seen? I'm pretty sure the point is just to get somewhere FAST.

Sure, in those rush hour circumstances, it's good to get where you are fast (as shown with Rachel). But other than that, it'll be interesting to see how Nolan shows off the Tumbler again. I just don't see how it'll work in a busy city.[/quote]

I think Batman Begins showed very clearly how it works in a busy city.

It's kind of like driving the Rhino tank in Vice City. When you ABSOLUTELY have to get somewhere on time.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

they gotto get a batmobile though....

They HAVE a Batmobile. It's called the Tumbler. It's evil.

 

[FaT_tONle]

They HAVE a Batmobile. It's called the Tumbler. It's evil.

Yeah but Batman doesn't need cops chasing him all the time... you can't just have a tank running things over and blowing things up and calling that justice served...

 

[Crooklyn]

Target? Hell, that car is damned near indestructable. Unless you have some serious military-grade ordinance.

I didn't mean it in that way. Target in the sense that you're practically out in the public so openly. Which brings me to the next point...

Since when was it the point not to be seen? I'm pretty sure the point is just to get somewhere FAST.

Eh, that's never really how I saw it. It was a means of transportation, but Batman also never really made it to be a "look at me, I'm coming!" type of thing. I mean there's countless occassions in the comics where he conceals the car in alleyways (which was done in BB), but with it's look and roaring engine...that wouldn't really do you much good if he's trying to be stealthy.

I think Batman Begins showed very clearly how it works in a busy city.

I meant for those daily routines, where he's like....scouting for crime or whatever.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Yeah but Batman doesn't need cops chasing him all the time... you can't just have a tank running things over and blowing things up and calling that justice served...

Well it doesn't HAVE to run over stuff or blow stuff up...

 

[FaT_tONle]

Well it doesn't HAVE to run over stuff or blow stuff up...

When he is chasing crooks in highjacked vehicles... not to mention Joker... things will get damaged with a God damn tumbler on the streets...

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I didn't mean it in that way. Target in the sense that you're practically out in the public so openly. Which brings me to the next point...

I've never seen a subtle Batmobile even in the comics... unless you count the 70's one, which was a little two-door sportscar. But even that was midnight blue with a black bat-head on the hood, with yellow eyes.

Eh, that's never really how I saw it. It was a means of transportation, but Batman also never really made it to be a "look at me, I'm coming!" type of thing. I mean there's countless occassions in the comics where he conceals the car in alleyways (which was done in BB), but with it's look and roaring engine...that wouldn't really do you much good if he's trying to be stealthy.

It's non-reflective black. And it does have a stealth mode for silent running.

I meant for those daily routines, where he's like....scouting for crime or whatever.

That's where I imagine him going rooftop to rooftop with the grappler or the glide-wings. There was evidence of that in BB, as well.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

When he is chasing crooks in highjacked vehicles... not to mention Joker... things will get damaged with a God damn tumbler on the streets...

I've never seen ANY high-speed chase that didn't cause property damage. But if he's a good driver he doesn't have to be the cause of most of it.

 

[Nepenthes]

A powered glider type thing makes the most sense for a new vehicle. It's not another car, it'd be extremely logical and useful, it's never been seen before and it'd make some awesome scenes. Something like the The Wing from DKR. If you don't agree with me you must be brain deficient, so agree me with now okay? t:

 

[FaT_tONle]

power glider is a little unrealistic... I like the velcro or w/e that electirc current material is all by itself... Batman isn't SPiderman or SUpes... just get a damn batmobile that isn't too flashy...

 

[Eros]

power glider is a little unrealistic... I like the velcro or w/e that electirc current material is all by itself... Batman isn't SPiderman or SUpes... just get a damn batmobile that isn't too flashy...

A rich dude fighting crime in a bat-suit is also unrealistic[and absurd] but yet people dun mind. Im pretty sure if you can have the movie be about that, everythig else does not need to be to "realistic" enough so people begin to roll their eyes at how overly serous this movie gets at times. much like Ang Less Hulk, you dun want to take out the fun and replace it with a well written but over the top melodrama that alienates your target audience.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I've begun to fear this is true. Say it ain't so, Ronald!

You mean to say you can't tell me there isn't a part of you that misses the gothic architecture. There isn't some part of you that misses the shots of Batman crouched on gargoyles, the pointy-eared shadows, the sillohuetted figures of badassery that we've through long hours of studying comic panels come to associate with Batman. You can't tell me you don't wish for a world that explores the iconography of the comics, that actually brings the world of Batman to the screen without overdoing it instead of making Batman fit into "our world." Newsflash, people, it's NOT the real world. Batman lives and operates in GOTHAM for a reason. If the DC universe was supposed to be the real world they would have named it New York City. The fantasy is rapidly slipping away. There's a reason I love superhero comics more than I love Scorsese pictures.

 

[Nepenthes]

Well said ^ I want to read my comics now!

Although of course with the movies it's all about balance and it's a VERY fine line to walk. Me I could handle just a little more architecture in BB and some Bourne style fight scenes, but that's it in for fantasy or icongraphy. You'll never please everyone though and that's why comics are great, for cherrypicking!

power glider is a little unrealistic... I like the velcro or w/e that electirc current material is all by itself... Batman isn't SPiderman or SUpes... just get a damn batmobile that isn't too flashy...

If you wanna go the realism way, well then isn't a vehicle that can fly high above the city without destroying the streets and attracting attention realistically far more desirable than the Tumbler? It's also more realistic in terms of technology and keeping it secret no? I'm not talking about replacing the Tumbler, or using it for every swoop and glide, just long distance travel and one or two scenes at most. It'd have automatic tracking so it swoops down and picks him up when he needs it, can carry a passenger and has weapons. Could be very cool, new. And it's not another car. Also I don't get what a glider has to do with Spidey or Superman, Batman has gadgets, they don't.

 

[COMPO]

actually, i think it's a good idea. I mean, its rumoured that batman will be living in the penthouse while the manor is being built and it'll look suscpicious if the tumbler is storming towards wayne enterprises. A motorbike is much more inconspicuis

 

[Ronny Shade]

Well said ^ I want to read my comics now!

Although of course with the movies it's all about balance and it's a VERY fine line to walk. Me I could handle just a little more architecture in BB and some Bourne style fight scenes, but that's it in for fantasy or icongraphy. You'll never please everyone though and that's why comics are great, for cherrypicking!

You're right. It IS a very fine line to walk. And while IMO Nolan landed much closer to the line than Burton did, he's still on one side of it. I'd do it more in the middle. Hedge a little closer between what Burton did and what Nolan is doing. I hope we get some of that in the coming films.

 

[JBElliott]

Aw, dammit, not this thread again!!!!

To JBElliot

To Caisar Sosche, Reading the thread is a waste of time. A car that blends in and is stealthy would look that way on the outside, but be something completely different on the inside, rocket turbines and all that crap. Pretty simple solution really.

The car chase in Begins was stupid.

 

[FaT_tONle]

That chase was one of the best things about Begins... without it the movie would really have been lacking action... you can't stray from Nolans version now just in the middle of the trilogy... its not gonna be perfect as it is... why take the chance of adding all these new elements and coming up short in other aspects as well... I say just stick to what they got and keep it simple... the most important thing to have is that aura of Batman.... and it had that.... you could tell that the villains at the city was changed just by his presence in Begins... Batman still had that aura around him.... he really was "more than just a man".... you don't need the logos and flashy equipment to already show that... Begins had enough of that

 

[cryptic name]

actually, i think it's a good idea. I mean, its rumoured that batman will be living in the penthouse while the manor is being built and it'll look suscpicious if the tumbler is storming towards wayne enterprises. A motorbike is much more inconspicuis

that's not rumored, that's something a bunch of posters on this forum came up with as an idea weeks ago.

 

[Ronny Shade]

It's a rumor now!

 

[cryptic name]

To Caisar Sosche, Reading the thread is a waste of time. A car that blends in and is stealthy would look that way on the outside, but be something completely different on the inside, rocket turbines and all that crap. Pretty simple solution really.

The car chase in Begins was stupid.

that sounds like james bond's car. not the batmobile

 

[JBElliott]

that sounds like james bond's car. not the batmobile

So?

 

[Rynan]

So?

Batman isn't James Bond.

It's quite obvious.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

You mean to say you can't tell me there isn't a part of you that misses the gothic architecture. There isn't some part of you that misses the shots of Batman crouched on gargoyles, the pointy-eared shadows, the sillohuetted figures of badassery that we've through long hours of studying comic panels come to associate with Batman. You can't tell me you don't wish for a world that explores the iconography of the comics, that actually brings the world of Batman to the screen without overdoing it instead of making Batman fit into "our world." Newsflash, people, it's NOT the real world. Batman lives and operates in GOTHAM for a reason. If the DC universe was supposed to be the real world they would have named it New York City. The fantasy is rapidly slipping away. There's a reason I love superhero comics more than I love Scorsese pictures.

Honestly, Ronny, the Batman comics I remember didn't have "gothic" architecture or a lot of gargoyles. Batman comics really had not been like that until after Batman '89.

Bob Kane's Gotham was just an oldschool city. Later on it got crazy with big-ass billboards and things, which was what Schumacher based his Gotham on. In the 70's Gotham became a real city again, and remained that way through the 80's. By the early 90's, DC Comics did a storyline called "Destroyer" where they had a mad bomber blow up all the new buildings in Gotham, to "restore the skyline" to its "older" type -- which was really just DC's way of remaking Gotham in the image of Anton Furst's set designs.

Then "No Man's Land" undid that change.

No, the Gotham in "Begins" was very much the Gotham I remember as drawn by Don Newton or Jim Aparo. Thus, for me, Begins is much closer to the comics that I love.