The Dark Knight Rumoured - Batman has a new ride?

[BatScot]

Compare Schumachers 'leaping Batmobile' to Nolans. That's the standard of inventiveness and style that Nolan can apply to ANY new vehicle!

This may be the single best argument AGAINST any new vehicle.

 

[Cobblepot]

I will compltely agree with the batmobile scene, it was quite ridiculous indeed.

Falling out of visibility because he turns off his lights? Losing helicopters? Jumping from building to building in a CAR/TANK????

The subway scene, drops mine bombs/mines into POLICE CARS flipping like 3-4 cars in the process only to save his GF?

Batman doesn't play by the rules, but he doesn't hurt those that make them. That scene was ridiculous in every way. I loved the batmobile towards the end of the film, the timing of the jump to the island was cinetmatically great, even the commisioner gordon thing was entertaining. But the batmobile chase was way over done, and too unecessary.

Easiest thing would've been for batman to have the antidote, or chase someone who did in his batmobile, not jumping from roof top to roof top in his tank.

The chase was the worst thing that happened in BB.
I never understood why he just didn't have an ampul of the antidote in that nifty belt of his.

 

[BatScot]

I never understood why he just didn't have an ampul of the antidote in that nifty belt of his.

Because Nolan and Goyer neglected to consider that Wayne is as much about intellect as he is about angst: A 'scientist' Wayne could have created the antidote himself rather than wait for someone else to deliver it... but even at that, had he waited but a few more minutes he would have been able to take the antidote with him instead of having to rush back to the cave, which would have allowed him to give Rachel the antidote sooner than he was able to do in the story, thereby putting her less at risk.

But then you wouldn’t have a reason for the car chase

 

[Nepenthes]

Nepenthes
Compare Schumachers 'leaping Batmobile' to Nolans. That's the standard of inventiveness and style that Nolan can apply to ANY new vehicle!

This may be the single best argument AGAINST any new vehicle.

??? Why AGAINST?

 

[Dangerous]

This a horrible idea, specially in nolan's reality based world, batman riding his motorcycle gets shot in the face by some thugs. End of batman.

Oh and they don't want to be compared to spawn.*cringes*

I mean it could look cool and all but its very dificult and not very practical. in safety terms

Exactly.
No bike please, that would suck.

 

[COMPO]

i've said this once a batbike would be good because seriously itdoesn't draw as much attention as the batmobile.

 

[BatScot]

i've said this once a batbike would be good because seriously itdoesn't draw as much attention as the batmobile.

If that's the argument, then logically speaking it would be better if he simply travelled in a limo* since that mode of travel would go generally unnoticed in a city such as Gotham... well, at least more unnoticed than a man in a cape on a bike.

* Though for Wayne's 'special' purposes I suppose this would be something more along the lines of the Presidential

 

[JBElliott]

This a horrible idea, specially in nolan's reality based world, batman riding his motorcycle gets shot in the face by some thugs. End of batman.

Oh and they don't want to be compared to spawn.*cringes*

I mean it could look cool and all but its very dificult and not very practical. in safety terms

Exactly.
No bike please, that would suck.

What's to stop some thug from shooting Batman in the face when he's not riding his motorcycle? If he can get shot on the bike, he can get shot off it. Bye bye Batman.

 

[Clerk]

But will he have the helmet with ears....

 

[NolGoyHater]

As my name states I am not a fan of Nolan/Goyer/BB

BUT.....

When I read that they may have a Batbike, I really REALLY like the idea. I think it would be cool.

Now towards the beginning of this thread someone said the Tumbler can divide and become 2 vehicles? That would be lame. Just like Batman in the tumbler when he slides into his little missle hideout. Let them be 2 separate vehicles like the the Batcycle and the Batmobile.

Bikes are totally fun, fuel efficient, nimble creations that so happen to be extremely fast and very good handling machines. MUCH BETTER THAN that wallowing Tumbler. So if Batman needs to get somewhere in a hurry in the busy congested streets of Chicago, errr Gotham, the Batcycle makes sense. And I think it would look totally cool if they show it sitting next to the Tumbler in a Built up Batcave on the rotating launchpad.

**Cliffnotes: BB hater loving idea of Batcycle and hope the rumors are true and for once agreeing with an idea from Nolan and CO.**

 

[TheBat812]

The chase was the worst thing that happened in BB.
I never understood why he just didn't have an ampul of the antidote in that nifty belt of his.

Because he had to have the antidote made for him and he hadnt gotten it yet...

 

[Spider-Fan83]

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[cryptic name]

i seriously think people have partial amnesia when it comes to the tumbler. it's not huge (it's actually smaller than burtons), or "wallowing" as it was doing at least 80 mph throughout the chase. the only thing tank-like about it is that it's not much wider than it is long, which actually makes it easier to maneuver. there was not one scene in begins where the tumbler looked cumbersom or slow. as far as stealth goes, he managed to drive it to arkham and hide it in that alley without anyone noticing, and it has a silent "stealth" mode.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Thanks.

Honest mistake.

The problem is that it's entirely un-stealthy. If Batman must have a car it should be one that blends in with the rest of traffic so he can disappear when needed.

Okay. So Batman is driving a Mazda 323. How does that help him get someplace FAST? Now he's stuck in traffic in an inconspicuous compact. Inconspicuous until he's stopped a red-light and somebody notices Batman behind the wheel rocking out to "Bohemian Rhapsody".

You realize this is a completely ridiculous idea, right?

If he really needs to "strike fear into the hearts of villians" during a car chase, then the car could "morph" into a more traditional batmobile look.

"KITT! Engage Super-Pursuit Mode!"

Now Batman is David Hasselhoff.

But car chases don't make much sense if you've got a car with all kinds of gadgets to stop other cars from moving (which Batman's car should have).

WTF are you TALKING about? Should he lay down glue on the road? Does he have a magical device that makes internal combustion engines just quit? Are we talking EMP? If so, how does Batman excuse massive amounts of property damage? And what about the guys with pacemakers who will die as a result of this?

Another question: when all the cars are stopped and downtown traffic is gridlocked, does Batman drive over the pedestrians on the sidewalk, or sit in traffic and jerk off?

This applies to ALL versions of the Batmobile.

Yes, because every version of the Batmobile I've ever seen in the comics is a late-model compact stock that transforms into a hovering wedge-shaped car with tail fins.

What are you, six? How are you liking second grade? Shall we make it a hybrid while we're at it so that Batman is enviro-conscious? You know he got that big and buff eating tofu, don't you, meathead?

Given her to Gordon or someone and had her taken to the hospital and then given the formula for the antidote to the doctors at the hospital.

Oh yes. Gordon takes Rachel to the hospital. That works fine. But meanwhile Batman, in his tricked-out Mazda, makes everybody's car stop, drives up the sidewalk, gets to the cave. Gets the antidote, drives back to the hospital. Let's see, that's TWO trips instead of one.

And how is the hospital going to keep Rachel from dying while they're waiting for Batman to show up?

And like you, I'd love to see a Schumacherian scene where Batman arrives, "here you go, doctor. This antidote will save her. A little bird gave it to me."

No. You and I know that NOBODY in Gotham knows for sure what Batman is or what he's up to. Gordon trusts him. Why should Drs. Pratt and Kovacs trust Batman? You and I both know they won't. He'll walk into the hospital, half a dozen guys will **** their pants, the orderlies will try to detain him, Gordon will explain "no, wait, I trust this guy, he's okay," and how do you figure that black rubber batsuit will look under fluorescent lighting?

Dear Jesus... is this REALLY the Batman movie you want to see, junior?

Of course that's a but less dramatic than a senseless car chase that may have critically injured innocent bystanders and police officers.

Oh, I agree that the level of property damage in the car chase was unnecessary.

But I don't agree that the concept was bad. Driving Rachel to the cave was the ONLY option he had. And it's not like taking her there outed his secret, she didn't know where she was. Naturally the cops are going to chase him, that couldn't be helped. I'd have liked to have seen him evade them through more... effective driving. But it did beat the hell out of Schumacher's Batmobile driving up walls, or Burton's turning into that damnable "Bat-missile."

So you know what? ****.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

• Not revving up the engine like you're about to start a rock-concert
• Avoid running over the cop cars when they don't even notice you in the first place
• Turning the wheel ever so slightly to avoid those concrete blocks
• Or just avoid the car altogether and go by rooftop with that trusty glider

But you know, it's a summer blockbuster, yadda-yadda...

• The car's loud. We get it.
• Um... the cop car was BLOCKING THE ALLEY. How's he gonna get out of there in a hurry without running over them?
• The Tumbler is difficult to maneuver. The scenes with Gordon bear this out as well. It doesn't turn on a dime. You and I both know he TRIED to avoid driving through buildings.
• It's a glider, not a jet. It's not gonna carry him all the way to the cave, especially with Rachel in his arms, and even if it did, it's not faster than that evil sexy beast of a car. Time was of the essence.

 

[Tad Fatherton]

Because Nolan and Goyer neglected to consider that Wayne is as much about intellect as he is about angst: A 'scientist' Wayne could have created the antidote himself rather than wait for someone else to deliver it... but even at that, had he waited but a few more minutes he would have been able to take the antidote with him instead of having to rush back to the cave, which would have allowed him to give Rachel the antidote sooner than he was able to do in the story, thereby putting her less at risk.

But then you wouldn’t have a reason for the car chase

so you're saying that a college dropout who spent the last few years of his life in a chinese prison and a ninja training center would know how to make an antidote for a synthetic drug? yeah, that doesn't sound stupid at all. that makes a lot of sense.

 

[ang_hulk]

so you're saying that a college dropout who spent the last few years of his life in a chinese prison and a ninja training center would know how to make an antidote for a synthetic drug? yeah, that doesn't sound stupid at all. that makes a lot of sense.

In the comics batmans quite a chemist but they did leave that out for begins,mabey he will get some time in the lab with fox.

alright,I want to make clear there are other ways to stop car chases then emp's and magick.You can shoot out a line and grab them to get control of the car(the tumbler was heavy and strong enough to do this to a half ton pick up truck) and you can knock out tires with magnetic tacs so they stick to the rims making it impossible for the car which now has lumpy rimms to drive on to gain and major speed,then speed in front of them,realease a small water based slick and a large rounded spike strip and thats it.Now a car thats out of control isnt safe which is why when doing any of this a line should be attached to keep the car close and on the road.The thing about the tumbler and a few other bat mobiles is that it was faster then any stock car and could take a hit from a tank so it was good at stopping vehicles.The tumble wasnt ment for any of this but it can be a little sleeker and have a few more gadjets(like the ones on the navigator our military has that ive taken most of the gadjets from) and a little more bat accessories and its good to go.The one thing i dont want it guns,I hated them in the first batman because he doesnt use guns,now is a missle launcher a gun? not to me,its not bullets its a missle and its not built to kill humans its ment to blow things up and i think gatling guns are useless anyways unless you trying to kill people which hes not.

I also want to mention that there are foams in use that basically expand over the bottom of the car and locking the wheels.Its cool stuff anf im sure batman could load a few capsules full of it into the bat mobile to be fired at a car he cant stop any other way.

 

[BatScot]

Driving Rachel to the cave was the ONLY option he had.

But was it a good option? There is nothing in the context of the film that indicates that Batman should expect the antidote to be at Wayne Manor when he returns. At this point in time Wayne only knows that Fox intends to deliver the remainder of the antidote to Wayne at some point but that time is not determined. Nor is there any indication that Wayne is in immediate need of the remaining dosage… the full extent of the ‘crisis’ isn’t revealed until later and after the rescue of Rachel.

That the antidote is at the cave when Batman returns is not only overly fortuitous but utterly convenient. We are to believe that Batman and Fox are operating in near synchronization: Fox leaves for Wayne Industries, Batman leaves for Arkham, Fox retrieves the antidote, Batman rescues Rachel, Fox eludes Earle, Batman eludes the police, Fox returns to Wayne Manor, and Batman returns to the cave… all in the nick of time! And at no time during any of this does Batman know that the antidote will be at the cave, in fact he has no reason to believe this.

I suppose the argument could be made that Batman returned to the cave hoping for the best and was prepared to wait for Fox if necessary, and in that sense maybe driving Rachel to the cave was the only option he had… but it wasn’t the only option Nolan and Goyer had.

 

[BatScot]

so you're saying that a college dropout who spent the last few years of his life in a chinese prison and a ninja training center would know how to make an antidote for a synthetic drug? yeah, that doesn't sound stupid at all. that makes a lot of sense.

No, what I’m saying is that Nolan and Goyer erred in their characterization of Wayne as a “college drop out”.

 

[NolGoyHater]

or "wallowing" as it was doing at least 80 mph throughout the chase. the only thing tank-like about it is that it's not much wider than it is long, which actually makes it easier to maneuver. there was not one scene in begins where the tumbler looked cumbersom or slow. as far as stealth goes, he managed to drive it to arkham and hide it in that alley without anyone noticing, and it has a silent "stealth" mode.

Wider doesn't mean anything without proper suspension. The tumbler had it's axles on the outside of the car AND NO ANTI SWAY BARS!!!! (bad for handling, do F1 cars have axles on the outside? NO. Nolan designed it because he thought it would look neat. And it did, but that is all. The thing was a wallowing mess for handling. Look at the scene where he is swerving through traffic. The thing tilts like a suburban.

 

[ang_hulk]

Your right of course BUT keep in mind the tumbler wasnt built to handle,it was built to go stright then jump and stright again.It wasnt finished either.

 

[cryptic name]

Wider doesn't mean anything without proper suspension. The tumbler had it's axles on the outside of the car AND NO ANTI SWAY BARS!!!! (bad for handling, do F1 cars have axles on the outside? NO. Nolan designed it because he thought it would look neat. And it did, but that is all. The thing was a wallowing mess for handling. Look at the scene where he is swerving through traffic. The thing tilts like a suburban.

i'm looking at the scene this moment and there is no indication of tilting. the thing is so damn wide and low to the ground that tilting like a suburban would be impossible.
besides, my cheif argument is the tumbler is not a tank. the only reason people insist on calling it one is the "he's driving a black...tank" line. nolan and bale's statements about it being a hummer crossed with a lamborghini are more accurate.

 

[Dangerous]

What's to stop some thug from shooting Batman in the face when he's not riding his motorcycle? If he can get shot on the bike, he can get shot off it. Bye bye Batman.

He can get shot off a bike, but so can all non super powered superheros.
DD, Cap, and Bats.
Point is he would not want to increase his chances.
When he is travelling, he would want to be able to concentrate on that and not have to worry about bullets. See Tumbler.
When he is on foot he is ready for that stuff.

 

[COMPO]

the thing is that this is a young batman so he is still learning. Plus, with fox there he could learn a thing or two so that he won't need him to make antidotes just manage the company and by his Q, if you will.

 

[Tojo]

No, what I’m saying is that Nolan and Goyer erred in their characterization of Wayne as a “college drop out”.

I agree to an extent, but in the film they chose to show that Bruce had no ambition to do anything other than kill Chill. He certainly did not think about becoming the cities protector in the intervening years between the death of his parents and the time Chill got shot by Falcone's cronie.

However, i really think Nolan should have shown us that Bruce naturally possesed a high intellect even before his training. Although i do think Ra's/Ducard trained him in chemistry and the like. There was a shot of Bruce and Ra's at the momnestry and they were clearly in some sort of labatory. Perhaps Bruce coming up with an antidote in a matter of hours would have been stretching proceedings slightly, especially when you have an experienced scientist in Lucius Fox.


As for the bat-bike......no, just no. It's always been corny. A small aircraft however.....