The Dark Knight Rumoured - Batman has a new ride?

[Keyser Sushi]

To Caisar Sosche, Reading the thread is a waste of time. A car that blends in and is stealthy would look that way on the outside, but be something completely different on the inside, rocket turbines and all that crap. Pretty simple solution really.

Love what you did with my name. Anyway, the problem with what you described... it's not the Batmobile.

The car chase in Begins was stupid.

Really?

 

[StorminNorman]

Honestly, Ronny, the Batman comics I remember didn't have "gothic" architecture or a lot of gargoyles. Batman comics really had not been like that until after Batman '89.

Bob Kane's Gotham was just an oldschool city. Later on it got crazy with big-ass billboards and things, which was what Schumacher based his Gotham on. In the 70's Gotham became a real city again, and remained that way through the 80's. By the early 90's, DC Comics did a storyline called "Destroyer" where they had a mad bomber blow up all the new buildings in Gotham, to "restore the skyline" to its "older" type -- which was really just DC's way of remaking Gotham in the image of Anton Furst's set designs.

Then "No Man's Land" undid that change.

No, the Gotham in "Begins" was very much the Gotham I remember as drawn by Don Newton or Jim Aparo. Thus, for me, Begins is much closer to the comics that I love.

You old softy, you.t:

 

[Ronny Shade]

I don't pretend to know as much about Batman comics as you do, Keyser, but I do know that there's certain aesthetics that I felt were missing from Begins. I'm not about to sit here and describe how I want to see Gotham. I might as well just draw a batman comic and post it, but I think you know what I mean. I never though of Gotham as a regular-looking city. Yeah, it was a city, sure it had big buildings, but it had something Deco about it. That's partially because of the era in which it was conceived and partially because some things don't modernize or a certain look is revisted, but Gotham isn't a real city. It should be believable, yes, but I don't think it needs to be a "real city" in every sense of the word.

 

[Darkest Knight]

Read Batman: Year One. The elevated train, the rotten underbelly of the city, yet the rich areas all represent a city that comes off as real...yet also extremely hostile in nature. BEGINS Gotham felt like an actual city. Not some parking lot. I mean in B89, Gotham is this HUGE city with MASSIVE buildings... yet every scene takes place in front or around the Monarch Theatre. Quite ridiculous. The chase scene in BEGINS, showing off a real Gotham was incredible.

 

[Crooklyn]

I don't really think you can fault B89 for it's....limited resources. For one it was way back in the day, where you'd find it difficult to find an actual city to match your vision of Gotham. If Burton had the means and budget to film his Gotham today, I think it'd look incredible.

 

[Darkest Knight]

He had the biggest budget of all time, then. What's the difference? You don't need a city that actually is Gotham to represent it, you can find areas or massive streets to film scenes, etc. Either wau, it puts a serious damper on the film.

 

[Crooklyn]

He had the biggest budget of all time, then. What's the difference?

35 million? Even in '89, that's not terribly high in the least.

You don't need a city that actually is Gotham to represent it, you can find areas or massive streets to film scenes, etc.

Using the studios were cheaper.

Either way, it puts a serious damper on the film.

To each his own. I personally view the film according to the time it was made...which according to it's Oscar for set design, was pretty damn good.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I don't pretend to know as much about Batman comics as you do, Keyser, but I do know that there's certain aesthetics that I felt were missing from Begins. I'm not about to sit here and describe how I want to see Gotham. I might as well just draw a batman comic and post it, but I think you know what I mean. I never though of Gotham as a regular-looking city. Yeah, it was a city, sure it had big buildings, but it had something Deco about it. That's partially because of the era in which it was conceived and partially because some things don't modernize or a certain look is revisted, but Gotham isn't a real city. It should be believable, yes, but I don't think it needs to be a "real city" in every sense of the word.

I understand what you're saying, and I respect your opinion.

And I loved what Burton did in '89. For the longest time I was addicted to it, I thought Anton Furst's sets were right damned spiffy.

What I got in Batman Begins was reflective of the comics I bought off the rack in Safeway in 1981. It is reflective of what initially made me fall in love with the mythos in the first place. Comic Gotham as I know it has a true day and night. It is a modern city. It has older buildings at its center - such as city hall, and the courthouse. The building Batman stands on at sunrise on his first patrol in "Begins" bears a striking resemblance to Don Newton's Gotham City Courthouse... and the sunrise... *soooooo* many Batman comics from that era ended as the sun rose and Batman stood watching it rise, knowing that another night's work was done.

I don't mean to say that you should feel the same way about it that I do. But I do want you to understand why, for me, Gotham was just about perfect in "Begins."

 

[COMPO]

that's not rumored, that's something a bunch of posters on this forum came up with as an idea weeks ago.

what pages?

 

[BatMatt]

35 million? Even in '89, that's not terribly high in the least.

According to the Batman DVD it was the top budget of its time

 

[JBElliott]

Love what you did with my name. Anyway, the problem with what you described... it's not the Batmobile.

Loved what you did with my name too. Anyway, that's the problem with the Batmobile.

Really?

Yes. There were many other things that Batman could have done to save Rachel that didn't involve major property damage and injury to innocents and taking her to his "secret" cave. Way to help Gotham and keep your secret Batman.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Loved what you did with my name too.

Ohh, I get it, I accidentally left one of the t's off the end. My bad.

Anyway, that's the problem with the Batmobile.

What's the problem with the Batmobile?

Yes. There were many other things that Batman could have done to save Rachel that didn't involve major property damage and injury to innocents and taking her to his "secret" cave. Way to help Gotham and keep your secret Batman.

Like what? Hit the drive-thru at Walgreen's? Does Scarecrow antidote come over-the-counter?

 

[Canadian Rider]

Batman has used bikes in the books for years. Bikes, Cars, boats, planes, helicopters, Gliders etc.

I would be suprised if something new didn't come up.

The tumbler is cool the first time you see it. The next time you need something else. Rule of great movies number 3 - never use the same plot device twice if you can help it.

But I agree about the cape. That would be darned funny if he was rounding a corner and caught it on a lampost!

Edna vole may be on to something ... "NO CAPES!"t:

 

[Miranda Fox]

Regarding the cape issue - surely he'd find a way to stop it getting caught in the wheels. Bruce isn't dumb.

 

[Canadian Rider]

True enough. But it would be interesting to see how they handle it and not make him look silly ...

 

[Keyser Sushi]

The tumbler is cool the first time you see it.

Hell, it's cool the ninety-first time you see it, too!

The next time you need something else. Rule of great movies number 3 - never use the same plot device twice if you can help it.

Tumbler's not a plot device. It's a car. Rule of great sequels #1: CONSISTENCY.

Rule of great Batman movies #1: Batman the character is more interesting than any bullcrap gadgets. That's also the first rule of doing a great James Bond movie, too.

Come on, Nov. 17th!

 

[Crooklyn]

Like what? Hit the drive-thru at Walgreen's?

• Not revving up the engine like you're about to start a rock-concert
• Avoid running over the cop cars when they don't even notice you in the first place
• Turning the wheel ever so slightly to avoid those concrete blocks
• Or just avoid the car altogether and go by rooftop with that trusty glider

But you know, it's a summer blockbuster, yadda-yadda...

 

[JBElliott]

Ohh, I get it, I accidentally left one of the t's off the end. My bad.

Thanks.

What's the problem with the Batmobile?

The problem is that it's entirely un-stealthy. If Batman must have a car it should be one that blends in with the rest of traffic so he can disappear when needed. If he really needs to "strike fear into the hearts of villians" during a car chase, then the car could "morph" into a more traditional batmobile look. But car chases don't make much sense if you've got a car with all kinds of gadgets to stop other cars from moving (which Batman's car should have). This applies to ALL versions of the Batmobile.

Like what? Hit the drive-thru at Walgreen's? Does Scarecrow antidote come over-the-counter?

Given her to Gordon or someone and had her taken to the hospital and then given the formula for the antidote to the doctors at the hospital.

Of course that's a but less dramatic than a senseless car chase that may have critically injured innocent bystanders and police officers.

 

[BatScot]

Bruce isn't dumb.

Which is why he'd stick with the car.

 

[Nepenthes]

Batman has used bikes in the books for years. Bikes, Cars, boats, planes, helicopters, Gliders etc.

I would be suprised if something new didn't come up.

The tumbler is cool the first time you see it. The next time you need something else. Rule of great movies number 3 - never use the same plot device twice if you can help it.

^
The audience will be disapointed if there's isn't something else besides the Tumbler (powered glider!). They expect it and I'm guessing that WB demands it (merchandise!).

They also need to find something new to do with the Tumbler other than driving fast, crushing cars and leaping from buildings imo. And first person that says 'but this isn't Schumacher!' yes I know that, but it dosn't neccersarily have to be nonsense this time.

Compare Schumachers 'leaping Batmobile' to Nolans. That's the standard of inventiveness and style that Nolan can apply to ANY new vehicle.

 

[cryptic name]

what pages?

there's a thread called Wayne Manor WTF? or something like that. i believe conversation on wayne living in a penthouse started around the second page in that thread in this forum.

 

[Eternalzero]

I will compltely agree with the batmobile scene, it was quite ridiculous indeed.

Falling out of visibility because he turns off his lights? Losing helicopters? Jumping from building to building in a CAR/TANK????

The subway scene, drops mine bombs/mines into POLICE CARS flipping like 3-4 cars in the process only to save his GF?

Batman doesn't play by the rules, but he doesn't hurt those that make them. That scene was ridiculous in every way. I loved the batmobile towards the end of the film, the timing of the jump to the island was cinetmatically great, even the commisioner gordon thing was entertaining. But the batmobile chase was way over done, and too unecessary.

Easiest thing would've been for batman to have the antidote, or chase someone who did in his batmobile, not jumping from roof top to roof top in his tank.

 

[dark_b]

it would make more sense that we would see the bike in hte first movie. why would he first have a tank and then a bike?

 

[Canadian Rider]

Honestly I think that every single fan would have gone insane if he didn't have a "bat-mobile." The bike for the second movie is more appropriate from that stand point. The tumbler proves to be to difficult so batman adapts.

While I agree that Bats doesn't normally hurt those "innocents" around him, the GCPD certainly have had guys in the hospital because of him.

Great thread.t:

 

[BatScot]

I will compltely agree with the batmobile scene, it was quite ridiculous indeed.

Falling out of visibility because he turns off his lights? Losing helicopters? Jumping from building to building in a CAR/TANK????

The subway scene, drops mine bombs/mines into POLICE CARS flipping like 3-4 cars in the process only to save his GF?

Batman doesn't play by the rules, but he doesn't hurt those that make them. That scene was ridiculous in every way. I loved the batmobile towards the end of the film, the timing of the jump to the island was cinetmatically great, even the commisioner gordon thing was entertaining. But the batmobile chase was way over done, and too unecessary.

Easiest thing would've been for batman to have the antidote, or chase someone who did in his batmobile, not jumping from roof top to roof top in his tank.

in almost every respect (Gordon, not so much). I especially like your last paragraph.