The Dark Knight Rumoured - Batman has a new ride?

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Batman has a new ride?

Rollercoaster in the Batcave?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

But was it a good option? There is nothing in the context of the film that indicates that Batman should expect the antidote to be at Wayne Manor when he returns. At this point in time Wayne only knows that Fox intends to deliver the remainder of the antidote to Wayne at some point but that time is not determined. Nor is there any indication that Wayne is in immediate need of the remaining dosage… the full extent of the ‘crisis’ isn’t revealed until later and after the rescue of Rachel.

That the antidote is at the cave when Batman returns is not only overly fortuitous but utterly convenient. We are to believe that Batman and Fox are operating in near synchronization: Fox leaves for Wayne Industries, Batman leaves for Arkham, Fox retrieves the antidote, Batman rescues Rachel, Fox eludes Earle, Batman eludes the police, Fox returns to Wayne Manor, and Batman returns to the cave… all in the nick of time! And at no time during any of this does Batman know that the antidote will be at the cave, in fact he has no reason to believe this.

I suppose the argument could be made that Batman returned to the cave hoping for the best and was prepared to wait for Fox if necessary, and in that sense maybe driving Rachel to the cave was the only option he had… but it wasn’t the only option Nolan and Goyer had.

When Bruce wakes up from being gassed and asks Fox if he can make more antidote, Fox tells him, "I'll bring what I have." Which means the stuff waiting in the cave when Bruce gets back is the remainder of the batch he fixed to cure Bruce. Now, did Bruce have reason to expect that Lucius would get the stuff to him that quickly? Honestly, that's a fairly grey area. Fox seems to know what Bruce is up to, in essence, at least, so he's bound to understand that a request like that from Bruce is probably urgent. So at least we know that Fox didn't have to do any work while Batman was out doing what he did. The work was already done.

Good try, though, and I do appreciate what you're saying. It's true. I have no problem with valid and intellectual criticisms of the movie. The operative words being "valid" and "intellectual."

And you're right that it could have been written differently, that's nearly always true of anything. In this case I think the car chase was fine, the sense of urgency is always a better dramatic choice than not. If I could make one change to the chase, though, I would cut out the scene where he drops mines and sends the cop cars tumbling end-over-end. At least when he drives over the cop car he doesn't drive straight over the roof, he mostly hits the hood and part of the windshield area. And we immediately see the police inside and know that they're okay. It's the guys in the car that goes tumbling end-over-end that we know nothing about until Alfred says later that nobody was killed.

I think if that one part were cut from the chase, it would probably eliminate most of the petty criticisms.

 

[batman7289]

maybe a batwing

 

[ang_hulk]

He does need a flyer.

 

[StorminNorman]

maybe a batwing

Batman fights crime in Gotham City - how does a Jet make sense?

 

[cryptic name]

Batman fights crime in Gotham City - how does a Jet make sense?

maybe he could use it to steal some balloons?

 

[Nepenthes]

Powered Glider! (that dosn't make sense but you what I mean)

You cannot fault it. Just try

 

[Tojo]

Batman fights crime in Gotham City - how does a Jet make sense?

i like the way he uses it in TAS and MOP, why not? Gives him a nice aerial view of the city

 

[cryptic name]

that's a good enough reason. if you had unlimited resources, wouldn't you have a badass jet to facilitate your crimefighting?

 

[ang_hulk]

I think flyingsbetter anyways,a small jet can get around the city alot faster then the batmobile.IF theres a crowd or somthing he can fly over,tear gas and move on.I think for car chases its alot better then him chasing somone in the batmobile.If he has to take out big targets or multiple targets its the best bet.

 

[JBElliott]

Honest mistake.



Okay. So Batman is driving a Mazda 323. How does that help him get someplace FAST? Now he's stuck in traffic in an inconspicuous compact. Inconspicuous until he's stopped a red-light and somebody notices Batman behind the wheel rocking out to "Bohemian Rhapsody".

You realize this is a completely ridiculous idea, right?



"KITT! Engage Super-Pursuit Mode!"

Now Batman is David Hasselhoff.



WTF are you TALKING about? Should he lay down glue on the road? Does he have a magical device that makes internal combustion engines just quit? Are we talking EMP? If so, how does Batman excuse massive amounts of property damage? And what about the guys with pacemakers who will die as a result of this?

Another question: when all the cars are stopped and downtown traffic is gridlocked, does Batman drive over the pedestrians on the sidewalk, or sit in traffic and jerk off?



Yes, because every version of the Batmobile I've ever seen in the comics is a late-model compact stock that transforms into a hovering wedge-shaped car with tail fins.

What are you, six? How are you liking second grade? Shall we make it a hybrid while we're at it so that Batman is enviro-conscious? You know he got that big and buff eating tofu, don't you, meathead?



Oh yes. Gordon takes Rachel to the hospital. That works fine. But meanwhile Batman, in his tricked-out Mazda, makes everybody's car stop, drives up the sidewalk, gets to the cave. Gets the antidote, drives back to the hospital. Let's see, that's TWO trips instead of one.

And how is the hospital going to keep Rachel from dying while they're waiting for Batman to show up?

And like you, I'd love to see a Schumacherian scene where Batman arrives, "here you go, doctor. This antidote will save her. A little bird gave it to me."

No. You and I know that NOBODY in Gotham knows for sure what Batman is or what he's up to. Gordon trusts him. Why should Drs. Pratt and Kovacs trust Batman? You and I both know they won't. He'll walk into the hospital, half a dozen guys will **** their pants, the orderlies will try to detain him, Gordon will explain "no, wait, I trust this guy, he's okay," and how do you figure that black rubber batsuit will look under fluorescent lighting?

Dear Jesus... is this REALLY the Batman movie you want to see, junior?



Oh, I agree that the level of property damage in the car chase was unnecessary.

But I don't agree that the concept was bad. Driving Rachel to the cave was the ONLY option he had. And it's not like taking her there outed his secret, she didn't know where she was. Naturally the cops are going to chase him, that couldn't be helped. I'd have liked to have seen him evade them through more... effective driving. But it did beat the hell out of Schumacher's Batmobile driving up walls, or Burton's turning into that damnable "Bat-missile."

So you know what? ****.

This is a ridiculous post and you should be ashmed of yourself. You argue against "magical" gadgets in the Batmobile when every Batmobile has "magical" gadgets in them (as well as several Bond cars and pretty much any "super" car). Kitt was derivative of various Batmobiles in the comics and vice verse, so again you argue against your own point.

It's you who should **** and stop making yourself look stupid.

 

[JBElliott]

so you're saying that a college dropout who spent the last few years of his life in a chinese prison and a ninja training center would know how to make an antidote for a synthetic drug? yeah, that doesn't sound stupid at all. that makes a lot of sense.

So you're saying "that a college dropout who spent the last few years of his life in a chinese prison and a ninja training center" is going to be the world's greatest detective and all around crime fighter? "yeah, that doesn't sound stupid at all. "

What happened to the Bruce Wayne who master all forms of science, combat, training, techniques that are needed to be the greatest crime fighter the world has ever known?

 

[Ronny Shade]

What happened is the following:

1) Realism got in the way. Character development, making Bruce a "lost soul" before he meets Ra's didn't help.
2) we are in the early stages of his career. This is an origin story. It's possible he'll grow into it.

 

[JBElliott]

He can get shot off a bike, but so can all non super powered superheros.
DD, Cap, and Bats.
Point is he would not want to increase his chances.
When he is travelling, he would want to be able to concentrate on that and not have to worry about bullets. See Tumbler.
When he is on foot he is ready for that stuff.

It's harder to hit a moving target than a stationary one. Or if you tell me Batman is never stationary, then on a bike he'd be moving much faster than when he's not on a bike and would be harder to hit.

When he's on the bike he's ready for "that stuff" too.

 

[JBElliott]

What happened is the following:

1) Realism got in the way. Character development, making Bruce a "lost soul" before he meets Ra's didn't help.
2) we are in the early stages of his career. This is an origin story. It's possible he'll grow into it.

Realism didn't get in the way. Year One was more realistic than Batman Begins and in Y1 Wayne was well trained.

It was Nolan's and Goyer's decision to make Wayne a "lost soul" that got in the way.

 

[Ronny Shade]

I think they made the "lost soul" choice in part because it made more "realistic sense" to them anyway. When I say "realism" in the context of Batman it's not exactly the same as in normal conversation.

 

[COMPO]

actually, i like that they've done this. Because these films are a young batman so this gives us a chance to see him learn things and develop into the world's greatest detective.

 

[Nepenthes]

I really liked the 'lost soul' in Begins. That was crucial to this re-telling and it filled the gaps in what most people know of Batman from before. For general audiences it really stood out.

It's harder to hit a moving target than a stationary one. Or if you tell me Batman is never stationary, then on a bike he'd be moving much faster than when he's not on a bike and would be harder to hit.

When he's on the bike he's ready for "that stuff" too.

Sure buddy. Why are you saying this ^ you know it's bullshiiit. If you like the bike then just tell people the reason why instead of pulling stuff out your arse to discredit other peoples arguements.

 

[JBElliott]

I really liked the 'lost soul' in Begins. That was crucial to this re-telling and it filled the gaps in what most people know of Batman from before. For general audiences it really stood out.

I didn't like the 'lost soul" since it wasn't the Batman we've seen in comics. It might be a nice Elseworlds interpretation, but that's it. Who knows how the general audience would react if it had been given a "Sin City" treatment of Year One?

Sure buddy. Why are you saying this ^ you know it's bullshiiit. If you like the bike then just tell people the reason why instead of pulling stuff out your arse to discredit other peoples arguements.

I'm not pulling anything out of anywhere. I am pointing out the logical fallacies in your "argument" (which is the only "bullshiiit" that's present).

If you don't like the bike just say so. Matters of taste aren't up for argument. Matters of logic are and your argument is not logically consistent.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

This is a ridiculous post and you should be ashmed of yourself.

Sure, sure. Ashamed of my intelligence, ashamed of being right, ashamed of being the one out of the two of us who is actually making some sense. Yep, ashamed alright. And ridiculous. Sure, sure. Whatever you say, Bob.

You argue against "magical" gadgets in the Batmobile when every Batmobile has "magical" gadgets in them (as well as several Bond cars and pretty much any "super" car). Kitt was derivative of various Batmobiles in the comics and vice verse, so again you argue against your own point.

I grew up in the 80's. I grew up watching Knight Rider religiously. KITT, by the way, did not have "Super Pursuit Mode" until the final season of the show, when the ratings had dropped and the producers were attempting to up the "wow" factor. So KITT became not just a talking Trans Am, but a talking TRANSFORMING Trans Am. It was a terrible show from the start, but I was a kid and loved the talking car. I don't recall ever seeing a Batmobile that TRANSFORMED, sir. Never once. I don't recall a Batmobile that TALKS (until All-Stars, anyway). And I am no longer so easily amused as I was when I was a kid.

As for Bond cars, I have one word: Meh.

There are exactly five great Bond movies out of 22: Dr. No; From Russia, With Love; On Her Majesty's Secret Service; Never Say Never Again; Casino Royale. Reason why? Like Batman, Bond is at his best when he is not overshadowed by pointless idiotic technology and overblown action sequences. Character trumps spectacle, every time.

Excuse me for wanting a Batman I can take seriously.

It's you who should **** and stop making yourself look stupid.

One of us looks stupid, alright.

 

[Nepenthes]

I didn't like the 'lost soul" since it wasn't the Batman we've seen in comics. It might be a nice Elseworlds interpretation, but that's it. Who knows how the general audience would react if it had been given a "Sin City" treatment of Year One?

There aren't many comics that fill the gap between 8 year old Bruce and 26 yr old Bruce.

Sin City? I assume you're talking about the CGI style of the film?...what the hell are you talking about that for? The audience liked 'the lost soul' because now they could actually see why the guy would end up dressing like a bat. Made a comic book character more human.

I'm not pulling anything out of anywhere. I am pointing out the logical fallacies in your "argument" (which is the only "bullshiiit" that's present).

If you don't like the bike just say so. Matters of taste aren't up for argument. Matters of logic are and your argument is not logically consistent.

First it wasn't my arguement. Second, Dangerous's logic that Batman is more vulnerable to gunshots on a bike makes more sense than your 'but moving targets are hard to hit' logic. Yeah they're hard to hit...but have you heard of machine guns? Rocket launchers? Even one well aimed bullet will do. These things don't mess with the Tumbler or a discreet, out of range aircraft.

Dangerous also points ou that when Batman is on foot he is in stealth mode. He is aware of his surroundings. He is silent. He is on total control. This is far harder to accomplish on a bike. Don't pretend this dosn't make sense to you. Acknowledge logic when you see it and respond with something worthwhile, otherwise you're just jerkin' around.

 

[Crooklyn]

There are exactly five great Bond movies out of 22: Dr. No; From Russia, With Love; On Her Majesty's Secret Service; Never Say Never Again; Casino Royale.

I know this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but Bond has a bit more than that...particularly Goldfinger which I can't believe you forgot. I say forgot because, well...if you don't GF's a good Bond flick, I'm afraid I will have to go Incredible Hulk on your ass.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

I know this has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but Bond has a bit more than that...particularly Goldfinger which I can't believe you forgot. I say forgot because, well...if you don't GF's a good Bond flick, I'm afraid I will have to go Incredible Hulk on your ass.

Five is my shortlist.

I have a long list, which is nine films long because it includes the other Connery films (and thus Goldfinger) but five is my shortlist.

Goldfinger is a fun movie but the reason it doesn't make my shortlist is that already the tendrils of silliness had begun to creep into the series at that point... as is the case with Thunderball and You Only Live Twice -- to say nothing of Diamonds are Forever, which takes it about as far as you can without making Sean Connery look like a tool -- something Sir Sean avoided only by virtue of being a complete badass.

 

[BatScot]

that's a good enough reason. if you had unlimited resources, wouldn't you have a badass jet to facilitate your crimefighting?

That might be a good enough reason if Nolan intends to make a comicky sci-fi fantasy, but if TDK is to be a realistic thriller it's probably not so good a reason. Which begs the question: Is a jet an effective ‘crime fighting’ tool in a metropolitan environment?

It would be a very silly thing indeed for Wayne to invest in a ‘bat-plane’ for no other reason than to get from point A to point B… and even if he did, it’s not like you can land a jet in the street or on a rooftop so it’s not very useful as a mode of intra-city transport! So what would be the purpose of having a bat-plane if not for travel? Well, the best reason to have an engagement aircraft is to drop bombs on things or shoot down other jets, but is that really Batman’s modus operandi? I suppose he could fly recon… then again, for a man with “unlimited resources” that objective could be achieved more effectively through a spy satellite. Which brings us back to the primary use of a jet: Getting from point A to point B… and Wayne can use his corporate jet for that.

 

[Ronny Shade]

The bike's got style. I'd like to see Batman with a little more style.