The Dark Knight Rumoured - Batman has a new ride?

[Keyser Sushi]

Do you want to steal something?

Huh?

 

[explode7]

No I was talking to the spidey dude.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

No I was talking to the spidey dude.

You should address peple by name, explode7, when you are speaking to them specifically. Or just quote their last post when you do. One of the two.

Saves confusion.

 

[explode7]

ok dad.

 

[Katsuro]

One time when good and bad are ALWAYS absolute is when you're dealing with works of craft. A chair that falls apart when you put any weight on it is a BAD chair. A house that withstands a hurricane is a GOOD house. A sword that cuts through your enemies like a hot knife through butter, is a good sword. A gun that doesn't shoot straight is a bad gun.

A poorly-written movie is a bad movie. It's as simple as that.

First of all, you're comparing two different things. No one is trying to convince people that a poorly-written movie is a good movie, they're just trying to convince you that it's not a poorly-written movie. Just like someone wouldn't say "a broken chair is a good chair!" (althought they might believe that too, if they dont like chairs or something) they'd say "this chair isn't broken!" Most of us can agree poorly-written movies are bad movies (excpet movies like House of the Dead, where being poorly-written is what makes the awesome), but can we agree on whether they're poorly-written or not?

Also, a chair falling apart is very clearly defined. It's very easy to tell when a chair has fallen apart. No one is going to say "i disagree, i think that chair is still put together proberly". If i cut someone with a sword, and they're sliced into two peices, no one is going to disagree and try to convince me that they are still in one peice. The word straight is easily defined. If a gun shoots straight, it shoots straight. Ask any geometry teacher, straight is clearly defined. If someone points at a circle and calls it a straight line, they are wrong. Everyone agrees on that.

Now tell me the same is true of a poorly-written movie. Tell me that you and everyone else in the world can look at any movie, and determine unanimously whether it's written well or poorly.

So basically, i'm not trying to convince you that Matrix Reloaded is a good movie despite it being poorly-written, i'm trying to convince you that it is not poorly-written. It's also impossible to prove to me that i'm wrong, since there is no law anywhere stating it's a bad movie. It doesnt exist. There may be guidelines on how to construct a story, but then we'd just be arguing on whether or not we believe it sticks to those guidelines.

Also, i believe pacificts would find a sword that doens't cut to be a very good sword. I'm not into anime, but some frineds are, and I think there's a character who has this samurai where the blade is on the other side, so when he uses it normally there's no blade. To most people, this would be a bad swords, but to him, it's a good sword.

 

[cryptic name]

"giving in" is not the same as giving. Giving is a selfless act. "Giving in" is self-indulgent. "Giving in" is weakness. "Giving" is strength.

what if you give someone a venereal disease?

 

[GoldGoblin]

I still hope Batman will drive The Tumbler.

^Same here.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

First of all, you're comparing two different things. No one is trying to convince people that a poorly-written movie is a good movie, they're just trying to convince you that it's not a poorly-written movie. Just like someone wouldn't say "a broken chair is a good chair!" (althought they might believe that too, if they dont like chairs or something) they'd say "this chair isn't broken!" Most of us can agree poorly-written movies are bad movies (excpet movies like House of the Dead, where being poorly-written is what makes the awesome), but can we agree on whether they're poorly-written or not?

Apparently we can't agree if it's poorly-written or not, but this simply means that one of us is wrong.

Also, a chair falling apart is very clearly defined. It's very easy to tell when a chair has fallen apart. No one is going to say "i disagree, i think that chair is still put together proberly". If i cut someone with a sword, and they're sliced into two peices, no one is going to disagree and try to convince me that they are still in one peice. The word straight is easily defined. If a gun shoots straight, it shoots straight. Ask any geometry teacher, straight is clearly defined. If someone points at a circle and calls it a straight line, they are wrong. Everyone agrees on that.

Good, I wanted to hear that from you.

Now tell me the same is true of a poorly-written movie. Tell me that you and everyone else in the world can look at any movie, and determine unanimously whether it's written well or poorly.

Everyone in the world? No. Everyone who knows anything about storytelling or filmmaking? Absolutely.

So basically, i'm not trying to convince you that Matrix Reloaded is a good movie despite it being poorly-written, i'm trying to convince you that it is not poorly-written. It's also impossible to prove to me that i'm wrong, since there is no law anywhere stating it's a bad movie. It doesnt exist. There may be guidelines on how to construct a story, but then we'd just be arguing on whether or not we believe it sticks to those guidelines.

Which is the thing I've been trying to get to. We could argue about that. Except that I'd have to watch the movie again (or at least read the script) in order to refresh my memory on the finer points. Which sounds like a new form of torture.

Also, i believe pacificts would find a sword that doens't cut to be a very good sword.

Yes, but that's because pacifists don't like swords. Are you telling me you don't like movies?

I'm not into anime, but some frineds are, and I think there's a character who has this samurai where the blade is on the other side, so when he uses it normally there's no blade. To most people, this would be a bad swords, but to him, it's a good sword.

Yes, but anime doesn't make any sense anyway.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

what if you give someone a venereal disease?

LOL!!!

Like "giving in," that's a colloquialism or idiomatic language. Another language might have a different "give" word for that usage, whereas English does not. Much in the way that some languages have several words for "love" depending on whether you mean romantic love, brotherly love, familial love, love of an object, love of sheep, etc. In English we have one word.

When I say "giving is always good" I am referring to that specific definition of giving which is the type of giving we do to a charity, a beggar, or our family and friends on Christmas. Now, can we knock off the silliness? PUH-WEEEEZE?!?!?

 

[Katsuro]

Yes, but anime doesn't make any sense anyway.

While I agree, that's mostly beside the point. The guy has training with the type of sword, but doesn't want to kill, so it's edge isn't sharp. Instead, the other edge is sharp, so in the rare case he does need to cut something, he still has that option. I thought it was kinda dumb, but my frined who explained it to me (we saw a replica for sale somewhere) thought it was cool. Yay for opinions!

 

[Crooklyn]

When I say "giving is always good" I am referring to that specific definition of giving which is the type of giving we do to a charity, a beggar, or our family and friends on Christmas. Now, can we knock off the silliness? PUH-WEEEEZE?!?!?

What if one day, you decide to borrow a rifle from a hunting friend. Couple weeks later, you find out his wife cheated on him, and took his 2 kids with her. He comes to your house, angrifly asks for his rifle back. Do you....GIVE it to him?

I've got more just in case you somehow manage to wiggle yourself outta that one. In either case, I'm in the very firm belief that nothing is ever absolute.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

What if one day, you decide to borrow a rifle from a hunting friend. Couple weeks later, you find out his wife cheated on him, and took his 2 kids with her. He comes to your house, angrifly asks for his rifle back. Do you....GIVE it to him?

1.) Returning borrowed property is not the same as giving.
2.) I'd never borrow a gun from anybody anyway, as I don't hunt, don't believe in owning guns, and... don't like having them in the house. So I wouldn't borrow a gun.

I've got more just in case you somehow manage to wiggle yourself outta that one. In either case, I'm in the very firm belief that nothing is ever absolute.

Which is exactly what's wrong with the world today.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

While I agree, that's mostly beside the point. The guy has training with the type of sword, but doesn't want to kill, so it's edge isn't sharp. Instead, the other edge is sharp, so in the rare case he does need to cut something, he still has that option. I thought it was kinda dumb, but my frined who explained it to me (we saw a replica for sale somewhere) thought it was cool. Yay for opinions!

Yep. And his liking it and your not liking it, is entirely a matter of opinion.

 

[Crooklyn]

1.) Returning borrowed property is not the same as giving.

Alright, then say it was your gun, and he wanted to borrow it. Is "giving" then right?

Which is exactly what's wrong with the world today.

The Sith will never rule.

 

[cryptic name]

LOL!!!

Like "giving in," that's a colloquialism or idiomatic language. Another language might have a different "give" word for that usage, whereas English does not. Much in the way that some languages have several words for "love" depending on whether you mean romantic love, brotherly love, familial love, love of an object, love of sheep, etc. In English we have one word.

When I say "giving is always good" I am referring to that specific definition of giving which is the type of giving we do to a charity, a beggar, or our family and friends on Christmas. Now, can we knock off the silliness? PUH-WEEEEZE?!?!?

the silliness will continue because that's where this whole situation has taken itself. now, two guys walk into a bar...

 

[Nepenthes]

NEW BATMOBILE! confirmed!

Seriously I just got the news from a friend at WB!
It's only design so far but I think it's awesome. It's a civilian disguise car that transforms. Here's the pic. SPOILER!

Spoiler

yes i am a massive tool

 

[Ronny Shade]

lol

 

[Eros]

The bike IS cool-for us folk in the real world. But you've got to remember Batman uses stealth and darkness and fear as weapons. He doesn't ride around on a flashy bike saying, "Here I am! Bats in DA HOUSE!". He'd attract too much attention to himself. I can maybe see Bruce Wayne using it to pick up some floozies, but that's about it IMO.

So the Tank like Tumbler he drives around draws no attention to himself?

 

[Batty Belfry]

So the Tank like Tumbler he drives around draws no attention to himself?

IMO the Tumbler doesn't have the same "flashiness" level as that bike does. The Tumbler came across as something authentic, whereas that pic that was posted of the bike is a bit more eccentric imo. That's all.

I realize not everyone would agree with me and I don't expect them too, however I do design things for a living and the balance between aesthetic form and function is always a delicate one.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Personally, I'd like it if this franchise strayed from the tone it has been set in. I feel like Nolan's "gritty" and "realistic" world has caused batman to lose some of his style and iconography. That stuff was all overdone in B89, but it wasn't done at all in BB.

Thus, I support the bike.

 

[JBElliott]

The sooner the idea of the Batmobile is scrapped in the movies/comics/etc. the better. How stealthy is a bat stylized car or tank? Not at all. Sure he needs a car, but something that can blend in and really be stealthy all the time. Not the tumbler and not the Burton-mobile.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Aw, dammit, not this thread again!!!!

To JBElliot: A car that blends in is not going to move him through rush hour traffic. The Tumbler moves him through EVERYTHING. So as a Batmobile, I like it. It's practical for his purposes. But with that said, I'd love to go for a Batman movie and barely ever see the car. Of course we barely saw it in "Begins," except for the massive chase sequence. I didn't mind that approach. I prefer seeing Batman sneaking around on rooftops and grappling over stuff.

Ronny:

Personally, I'd like it if this franchise strayed from the tone it has been set in.

Okay, is this the part where somebody hands you a bag of silver?

 

[FaT_tONle]

Aw, dammit, not this thread again!!!!

To JBElliot: A car that blends in is not going to move him through rush hour traffic. The Tumbler moves him through EVERYTHING. So as a Batmobile, I like it. It's practical for his purposes. But with that said, I'd love to go for a Batman movie and barely ever see the car. Of course we barely saw it in "Begins," except for the massive chase sequence. I didn't mind that approach. I prefer seeing Batman sneaking around on rooftops and grappling over stuff.

Ronny:

Okay, is this the part where somebody hands you a bag of silver?

Oh you know damn well what Ronny wants...

 

[Crooklyn]

A car that blends in is not going to move him through rush hour traffic. The Tumbler moves him through EVERYTHING. So as a Batmobile, I like it. It's practical for his purposes.

I don't really see how leaving yourself open as a huge target like that would be practical. The point is for him to get from Point A to Point B w/o being seen. Sure, in those rush hour circumstances, it's good to get where you are fast (as shown with Rachel). But other than that, it'll be interesting to see how Nolan shows off the Tumbler again. I just don't see how it'll work in a busy city.

 

[FaT_tONle]

the bike works... I like it... but he cant be showing off Logos and ****... it has to be a regular black bike with not your average upgrades... they gotto get a batmobile though....