Season 6, Episode 9 "Battle of the Bastards" Discussion Thread

[DarthSkywalker]

Anyone have a gif of the shoot of Jon, Tormund and Wun Wun after they climb the mountain of bodies, and stare at Ramsay?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Anyone have a gif of the shoot of Jon, Tormund and Wun Wun after they climb the mountain of bodies, and stare at Ramsay?

That shot was ****ing badass.

 

[InCali]

More ala Tudor. Uniying the Houses York and Lancaster to create the Tudor house, and bring an end to the War of the Roses ( from which GoT is mostly based)

sry for my english

I don't know as much about the Tudor house as I do Tolkien's work, but the merging and restoration of bloodlines of the Edain and Eldar (along with restoring the north and south kingdoms), was fundamentally what Tolkien's work was all about.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I always wonder about Jon Snow's mother. Ned refused to discuss much about her. I wondered if she was a Targaryen or a Baratheon or.....

I think Jon's mother will probably end up being quite important as houses and families are such a big deal.

We know who Jon's mother is and have actually met her on the show.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Kane52630]

Spoiler

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That shot was ****ing badass.

It was my favorite. The episodes was full of some great shots. That one, the shot of the army descending on Jon, Drogon's arrival, Jon walking Ramsay down, Sansa's little smile as she walks away from her husband.

The oner in this episode was also very good. Better then the one in Hardhome.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thank you Kane.

 

[Sara Lance]

That was a badass episode indeed. I am really glad Sansa finally got something good happen to her. Although sadly I feel like things will turn bad for her again next episode. ****ing Littlefinger

Dany is badass but I can't help but be a little worried about her. She seems to have a big of a Mad King in her the way she was talking about wiping out cities. And with Dorne being her most likely and passioante ally they would probably serve as a way to drive her even further into the dark side And if Cersei goes full crazy and as we suspect from the heavy hints pretty much burns everyone alive including Loras and go forbid Margery the Tyrell will also quite likely be for blood and join Dany






P.s By the way I found it kinda hilarious that Ramsey seemed so sure that Winterfell would hold. Seriously let's face it Winterfell is crap. A few dozen men with ladders can take it. So far almost every other castle is more impressive then the capital of the north

 

[Doctor Jones]

That's what you call a "**** YES!" moment.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

A guy went zombie at castle black a few seasons ago so I'm not sure if you need to be north of the wall.

I was talking in the context of when/if the White Walkers make it past the wall into the seven kingdoms in regards to Rickon.

Those wrights that came alive at the end of season 1 died north of the wall. I'm assuming the white walkers powers end at the wall with the magic, of course until Bran goes south.

And I'd imagine that you'd have to die while the magic is there to turn into a wright. I don't think every dead bone buried in Westeros will rise as soon as the Night's King makes it past the wall.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's what you call a "**** YES!" moment.

When they start chasing him. "We gonna get you sucker".

 

[enquencle]

D&D really need to consider letting Miguel Sapochnik direct all the big episodes from now on. Hell, let him direct the rest of the show. The guy is a ****ing master. Not just at battles. He ****ing nails everything. Everything from the small dialogue moments to the big carnage.

This a thousand times. He did an amazing job with this episode.even the Mereen scenes felt great, acting wise.

The hardest thing to pull off was to make this battle different, and he excelled at it. I had never seen a battle this brutal, or that felt so real. How the horses clashed, and how there was so much chaos and confusion on the battlefield..it was just perfect.

This episode is one for the ages, not only for this show, but for TV in general. Because of the production values, the visual impact and the payoff. It shows what the medium can really do with the right budget and time.

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

P.s By the way I found it kinda hilarious that Ramsey seemed so sure that Winterfell would hold. Seriously let's face it Winterfell is crap. A few dozen men with ladders can take it. So far almost every other castle is more impressive then the capital of the north

Winterfell was sacked three times on the show.

1. By Theon who caught them slipping.
2. By Ramsay who had Theon's men betray him and open the gates.
3. By the Giant. Ramsay had only shut the door. The Giant busted through. Had Ramsay kept all of his men in the castle, he'd still be lord.

 

[ComicChick]

hey all

it's been less than 24 hours since the episode has aired. if you're going to post gifs and pics from it, please use spoiler tags.

good netiquette yall - CC

 

[Victarion]

Incredible episode in every way imaginable.

Sansa ****ing rocks. That is all.

I'm also starting to believe that the "gods" actually walk among them. Varys and Littlefinger are building this mass unification to fight the White Walkers. That actually seems to truly be their end game.

I don't think so. This isn't the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Varys seems more about a Targaryen restoration while Little finger is doing a Gatsby.

 

[ComicChick]

i bet Baelish asks for Sansa's hand next ep

 

[Unbreakable Lex]

I don't think so. This isn't the Malazan Book of the Fallen. Varys seems more about a Targaryen restoration while Little finger is doing a Gatsby.

Yeah but Littlefinger seems to have the North on his side. Varys has the fire.

 

[P Supreme]

P.s By the way I found it kinda hilarious that Ramsey seemed so sure that Winterfell would hold. Seriously let's face it Winterfell is crap. A few dozen men with ladders can take it. So far almost every other castle is more impressive then the capital of the north[/QUOTE]

buts let remember the north is divided and winterfell was burned down by Theon so it's still rebuilding

 

[Verick808]

I'm surprised how many people are criticising Jon this episode and praising Sansa. As far as I can tell the biggest mistake of the episode was Sansa not telling Jon that the Knights of the Vale were coming.

 

[BestGirl]

I'm surprised how many people are criticising Jon this episode and praising Sansa. As far as I can tell the biggest mistake of the episode was Sansa not telling Jon that the Knights of the Vale were coming.

I guess it depends how long it was between her sending the letter off and the battle. If it had been a while she may have assumed they weren't coming. IIRC she made a statement implying suicide in the event they lost the battle. that's not some thing you say if you think an ally might be just over the horizon. Anyway, it seems like Sansa and Jon discuss her secrecy next week so we'll hopefully get some insight into her thought process then.

 

[ComicChick]

jon was foolish and played into Ramsay's mind tricks, but that's human. that's realistic. how many of us have jumped the gun in fights or highly stressful situations. we've been there
war and battle is a lot different when you're in it. i've never been in one, but come from a family with a lot of military history. my father has PTSD from war, amongst other problems and i can't imagine going through what he did, seeing what he saw. we got to see the battle mostly from Jon's POV. it's chaos on the battlefield. 360 degrees of battle around you, enemies coming at you from all sides, trying to make sure you don't kill your allies, avoiding blades and arrows and horses etc.
you're not going to be able to hardly think, let alone make the best choices. heck, Davos' men were the back line and they plunged in and got trapped just as well. not a great tactic. they were all sitting ducks.

fwiw, i would've like to have seen a little of the battle from a POV of a wildling, just to see the difference in fighting styles. like when Tormund, helped Jon up and we panned to follow him for a bit would've been interesting. Free Folk don't fight like trained soldiers, and that would've been fun to see for a bit

 

[Xrated48]

The best episode this season so far just amazing.

 

[Matt]

I'm surprised how many people are criticising Jon this episode and praising Sansa. As far as I can tell the biggest mistake of the episode was Sansa not telling Jon that the Knights of the Vale were coming.

It is important to remember this: Sansa is her mother's daughter. Sansa never liked Jon very much, at least in terms of the narrative in the book. The two were never close, the least close of the Stark children. That is why the first thing Sansa does, upon seeing Jon again, is apologize for how she treated him. She, like Cat, viewed him as a sign of shame. He was a bastard who had no business living in Winterfell (remember, it is rare for a lord to bring up a bastard in his house, amongst his natural children). Moreover, like Cat, she viewed him (and treated him) like an outsider. That is why Petyr's "your half-brother" line is so important. It sows seeds of doubt that had been planted in Sansa years ago.

Then consider Jon's plan. He was rejecting her idea to reach out to other houses for help, instead relying almost entirely on a Wildling army. Sansa is no exception to Northern culture. The Wildlings are the boogeymen that Northerners tell their children about as scary bed time stories. The Wildlings raid Northern villages, pillaging and plundering, killing their men and raping their women. Jon's thumbs his nose at the great houses of the North and instead relies on these savage rapists and murders. A proper lady like Sansa would not be fond of that idea.

Basically, everything Jon has done this season, since reuniting with his sister, has kind of reinforced the negative view that she already had of him. Everyone is assuming that it is now Jon and Sansa vs Littlefinger, but I wouldn't be surprised if the conflict between Jon and Sansa is just beginning. Remember, Littlefinger is a master at playing two sides against the middle. I am sure he will be doing it here.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It is important to remember this: Sansa is her mother's daughter. Sansa never liked Jon very much, at least in terms of the narrative in the book. The two were never close, the least close of the Stark children. That is why the first thing Sansa does, upon seeing Jon again, is apologize for how she treated him. She, like Cat, viewed him as a sign of shame. He was a bastard who had no business living in Winterfell (remember, it is rare for a lord to bring up a bastard in his house, amongst his natural children). Moreover, like Cat, she viewed him (and treated him) like an outsider. That is why Petyr's "your half-brother" line is so important. It sows seeds of doubt that had been planted in Sansa years ago.

Then consider Jon's plan. He was rejecting her idea to reach out to other houses for help, instead relying almost entirely on a Wildling army. Sansa is no exception to Northern culture. The Wildlings are the boogeymen that Northerners tell their children about as scary bed time stories. The Wildlings raid Northern villages, pillaging and plundering, killing their men and raping their women. Jon's thumbs his nose at the great houses of the North and instead relies on these savage rapists and murders. A proper lady like Sansa would not be fond of that idea.

Basically, everything Jon has done this season, since reuniting with his sister, has kind of reinforced the negative view that she already had of him. Everyone is assuming that it is now Jon and Sansa vs Littlefinger, but I wouldn't be surprised if the conflict between Jon and Sansa is just beginning. Remember, Littlefinger is a master at playing two sides against the middle. I am sure he will be doing it here.

They went to the houses. They weren't listening. They had to attack before the snow made it impossible. Sansa knows she did something wrong, it is apparent when Brienne points it out to her.

Littlefinger is playing on the idea that Sansa sees her brother as nothing but a bastard, but somehow sees him as something more. That will be his downfall. He is underestimating Sansa, he is underestimating Jon.

You actually think Jon isn't going to be in control of the North when Dany shows up? You think Littlefinger is going to be bossing? Why?