Civil War Sharon carter A.K.A. Agent 13 - Part 1

[Voltron]

I've got a feeling that they gave us a hint of Agent 13's suit design, well the color anyway of grey, light blue, white, maybe black.

 

[TalismanRing]

Speaking as someone who was momentarily excited until it turned out to be Romanoff, that would have come off as clunky.

Agreed. If they went in that direction you might as well go full camp and have Jenny Agutter and Redford go at it hand to hand.

She was playing a politician and she was very good in the role, there as no need to make her a kick ass agent. It also would have screwed with everything after, like BW being momentarily held hostage against Fury because she was wearing the pin and then her stinging herself to disable it.

 

[TalismanRing]

I've got a feeling that they gave us a hint of Agent 13's suit design, well the color anyway of grey, light blue, white, maybe black.

Rather stretching it there. She's wearing a work appropriate suit for an agent. There's not much of a diverse color palette there. Ever see an FBI or CIA agent is a non grey, black or blue suit? I haven't.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I'd have liked to have seen her white suit on screen, like this for example

 

[Voltron]

I like that design, but it looks more light grey than white to me.

I'll be so pleased if any scrap, or at least a crumb of Sharon news surfaces. I know that she wasn't in the D23 trailer so hopefully she shows up in the upcoming one in October.

 

[ARA]

Why is Sharon blamed for Wanda's perceived lack of involvement?

 

[Majik1387]

Because....female...I guess.

 

[Xeno]

More like this, but the pants are all blue and/or black.

Why would you want Sharon to wear that? Her breasts could easily fall out of the top during a fight!

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Why is Sharon blamed for Wanda's perceived lack of involvement?

The funny thing is that while TWS was being made, and a few had pointed to Black Widow subsuming Sharon's role as Steve's partner/foil, others jumped to dismiss the point and allege that Sharon and Natasha could not be more different.

Those same people, including on this board, had been the ones to object to Sharon "stealing Wanda's role". Because those two are the same.

I mean, TWS foreshadowed Sharon's reappearance before we it showed Wanda. AoU showed Wanda becoming an Avenger. You know who wasn't foreshadowed in either? Barton. There isn't a readily available reason for him to be involved, yet there he is. And no one says **** about him.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I have no idea how Sharon is being portrayed as taking time away from Wanda. She's missing from one set of promo images and everyone loses it, for Pete's sake, Wanda was in both trailers, Sharon was in neither! Do some people just hate her that much?

 

[BoredGuy]

Apparently, yes they do

I guess I must've missed the issue where Sharon went around kicking everybody's puppies, idk...

 

[Xeno]

The funny thing is that while TWS was being made, and a few had pointed to Black Widow subsuming Sharon's role as Steve's partner/foil, others jumped to dismiss the point and allege that Sharon and Natasha could not be more different.

Those same people, including on this board, had been the ones to object to Sharon "stealing Wanda's role". Because those two are the same.

I mean, TWS foreshadowed Sharon's reappearance before we it showed Wanda. AoU showed Wanda becoming an Avenger. You know who wasn't foreshadowed in either? Barton. There isn't a readily available reason for him to be involved, yet there he is. And no one says **** about him.

Hawkeye's appearance in CW was foreshadowed -- he's an Avenger, for eff's sake. The reason he wasn't at the team's base at the end of AOU is because he was with Laura and the kids after the baby was born. Even superheroes get parental leave.

As far as there being no reason for Barton to appear in CW, are you serious? This is an idealogical war between superheroes and governments that evolves into a physical battle. Thor is in Asgard, Banner's awol, but every other superhero in the MCU is naturally swept up in the struggle. That means all available Avengers, T'Challa and Peter Parker. Or do you think there's no reason for the last two to be involved, either?

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Hawkeye's appearance in CW was foreshadowed -- he's an Avenger, for eff's sake. The reason he wasn't at the team's base at the end of AOU is because he was with Laura and the kids after the baby was born. Even superheroes get parental leave.

If War Machine and Falcon can be there despite having day jobs, they could have has Hawkeye there. They could have set the epilogue months later. As it is, the movie gave no indication that Barton was still on the team.

As far as there being no reason for Barton to appear in CW, are you serious? This is an idealogical war between superheroes and governments that evolves into a physical battle. Thor is in Asgard, Banner's awol, but every other superhero in the MCU is naturally swept up in the struggle.

If they're not currently active as superheros then no, not really.

That means all available Avengers, T'Challa and Peter Parker. Or do you think there's no reason for the last two to be involved, either?

Given that neither are previously established, then no. They're there to setup their franchises.

 

[Xeno]

If War Machine and Falcon can be there despite having day jobs, they could have has Hawkeye there. They could have set the epilogue months later. As it is, the movie gave no indication that Barton was still on the team.



If they're not currently active as superheros then no, not really.



Given that neither are previously established, then no. They're there to setup their franchises.

I thought about rebutting your statements but decided against that because you haven't made any rational arguments. Your extreme love of Sharon obviously prevents you from understanding how Marvel's interconnected universe works. Perhaps you would prefer an SCU -- Sharon Cinematic Universe -- to the MCU. Then Captain America's films could star Sharon alone, with occasonal appearances by Steve, unless of course he lacks any reason to hang around the blonde super-agent.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I thought about rebutting your statements but decided against that because you haven't made any rational arguments. Your extreme love of Sharon obviously prevents you from understanding how Marvel's interconnected universe works. Perhaps you would prefer an SCU -- Sharon Cinematic Universe -- to the MCU. Then Captain America's films could star Sharon alone, with occasonal appearances by Steve, unless of course he lacks any reason to hang around the blonde super-agent.

If you had something, you would have.

I'd actually like a Captain America franchise about Captain America and supporting characters that contribute to his development, rather than a franchise that goes out its way to cram as much of the MCU that has nothing to do with Steve.

 

[Rote]

I seriously doubt, that War Machine or Falcon have day jobs. They are Avengers now. Especially how Falcon was portrayed in Ant-Man. Bet he even lives in that base.
In the universe, there Cap can refuse to go with Fury against Hydra bases in Europe in the end of one film and in the very beginning of the next film already can be doing exactly the same rejected thing with no explanation whatsoever, Hawkeye's absence in the end of Avengers is nothing and seems very legit relatively Civil War.

I'd actually like a Captain America franchise about Captain America and supporting characters that contribute to his development, rather than a franchise that goes out its way to cram as much of the MCU that has nothing to do with Steve.

We already know, that's not the case. Seb has confirmed his big role and Mackie was all over the trailer. Plus, many people incliding Feige have said that it's very much Cap's movie and sequel to TWS.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

I seriously doubt, that War Machine or Falcon have day jobs. They are Avengers now. Especially how Falcon was portrayed in Ant-Man. Bet he even lives in that base.
In the universe, there Cap can refuse to go with Fury against Hydra bases in Europe in the end of one film and in the very beginning of the next film already can be doing exactly the same rejected thing with no explanation whatsoever, Hawkeye's absence in the end of Avengers is nothing and seems very legit relatively Civil War.

Sure, sometimes movies ignore prior movies. Sometimes movies follow up on prior movies, too.

In this case, they ignored a prior movie to include Hawkeye. Even though they didn't have to.

Sharon is the only one being described as "shoehorned", though. And she was setup in TWS.

We already know, that's not the case. Seb has confirmed his big role and Mackie was all over the trailer. Plus, many people incliding Feige have said that it's very much Cap's movie and sequel to TWS.

Well Boseman confirmed his big role, Wanda was all over the trailer. Plus, Evans described the movie as a setup for Infinity War.

 

[Rote]

In this case, they ignored a prior movie to include Hawkeye. Even though they didn't have to.

Sharon is the only one being described as "shoehorned", though. And she was setup in TWS.

That's because she was being portrayed in TWS very weak, was quickly defeated by Rumlow, hasn't any superpowers or even impressive fight skills, so people legitimately think that she's shoehorned in team Cap only to be the love interest, when they want to see Wanda instead, who is far more interesting as a character. Because concept art made it look like both teams have only one place for a female character. They even located on one of those in the same place.
That was very poor setup. Even Hill got better. Only Nat pushing Steve to call her. Not like even Steve himself remembered her. Or called her in Ultron after THE YEAR after TWS. He could bring her to the Stark party, instead he brought Sam.

Well Boseman confirmed his big role

Link?

Wanda was all over the trailer.

Didn't hear such thing. People said there was much of Mackie, not Wanda.

Evans described the movie as a setup for Infinity War.

And TWS was a setup for Age of Ultron. Evans often says strange things in answers about future films. And Mackie described TWS as Avengers 1.5, and yet we all know, it was very much Captain America movie. CW can be a setup for IW without ceasing to be the film about Cap and his relationships.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

That's because she was being portrayed in TWS very weak, was quickly defeated by Ramlow, hasn't any superpowers or even impressive fight skills, so people legitimately think that she's shoehorned in team Cap only to be the love interest, when they want to see Wanda instead, who is far more interesting as a character. Because concept art made it look like both teams have only one place for a female character. They even located on one of those in the same place.

Actually people were talking about a love interest being "shoehorned" in long before the rosters were revealed.

Either way maybe "people" should think about how characters have no inherent skill level but what any writers at a given time decides. Cap is a pushover in Avngers and unstoppable in TWS.

Link?

Sorry, I meant to type Scarjo. Though T'Chala has been repeatedly said to have his own storyline.

Didn't hear such thing. People said there was much of Mackie, not Wanda.

There has been as much of Wanda as Mackie. She's shown in the Nigerian marketplace, fighting Vision laongside Falcon, running with team, meating Ant-Man, etc.

And TWS was a setup for Age of Ultron. Evans often says strange things in answers about future films.

And Feige is often full of it.

 

[Rote]

Either way maybe "people" should think about how characters have no inherent skill level but what any writers at a given time decides. Cap is a pushover in Avngers and unstoppable in TWS.

And it remains to be seen if Sharon will suddenly improve her fight skills and become a new Black Widow. But for now it's no wonder, that they are pissed off, assuming what they got from TWS. Non comic-book fans now have no reason to like Sharon as much as Wanda, who became pretty much popular after AoU

Sorry, I meant to type Scarjo. Though T'Chala has been repeatedly said to have his own storyline.

Thanks for the link. But I don't see actual quote from Scarjo here.
And well, Natasha is Steve's close friend. Even if in this movie she is in another team, she has every right to have much time here.
"His own storyline" is very extensible thing. You can argue that even Bobby Cannavale had his own storyline in Ant-Man.
How long was Boseman on set, does anybody know?

fighting Vision laongside Falcon

fake report. Trailer was the same as on D23.
I heard people, which actually saw the trailer, saying this only about Mackie. But I guess, until we see the trailer ourselves, there's no point to argue.

And Feige is often full of it.

But the thing is, this time it's not only Feige. When the same information comes from many different sources I tend to believe it.

UPD. Oh, and what I forgot about Black Panther: he's after Bucky and clearly has some reasons for that. So it's not irrelevant to the plot and Cap at all.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

And it remains to be seen if Sharon will suddenly improve her fight skills and become a new Black Widow. But for now it's no wonder, that they are pissed off, assuming what they got from TWS. Non comic-book fans now have no reason to like Sharon as much as Wanda, who became pretty much popular after AoU

It's funny how everyone has the utmost belief if the Russos until they start of favor someone who doesn't count among their faves.

Thanks for the link. But I don't see actual quote from Scarjo here.

I changed the link to one with an actual quote.

And well, Natasha is Steve's close friend. Even if in this movie she is in another team, she has every right to have much time here.

The only person with a right to much time is Steve. Anyone else is expendable.

And yes, that included Sharon. But Sharon's involvement benefits Steve's development, whereas Widow's involvement mostly benefits her. As was the case in TWS.

"His own storyline" is very extensible thing. You can argue that even Bobby Cannavale had his own storyline in Ant-Man.

Yeah, but Cannavale didn't talk up him being a neutral party/having his own goals/after Bucky for reasons did he?

But the thing is, this time it's not only Feige. When the same information comes from many different sources I tend to believe it.

And many sources still have it that the movie is known inhouse as Avengers 2.5, and that it is setting up Infinity War and much of phase 3.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Basically my point is that if people want to talk about how this is a Cap film then its odd how they're all for their other faves being in the movie whether or not it has anything to do with Steve, and calling Sharon shoehorned because it is out of line for Steve to have a romance in his own movie.

 

[TalismanRing]

And it remains to be seen if Sharon will suddenly improve her fight skills and become a new Black Widow. But for now it's no wonder, that they are pissed off, assuming what they got from TWS. Non comic-book fans now have no reason to like Sharon as much as Wanda, who became pretty much popular after AoU

Thanks for the link. But I don't see actual quote from Scarjo here.
And well, Natasha is Steve's close friend. Even if in this movie she is in another team, she has every right to have much time here.
"His own storyline" is very extensible thing. You can argue that even Bobby Cannavale had his own storyline in Ant-Man.
How long was Boseman on set, does anybody know?

fake report. Trailer was the same as on D23.
I heard people, which actually saw the trailer, saying this only about Mackie. But I guess, until we see the trailer ourselves, there's no point to argue.

But the thing is, this time it's not only Feige. When the same information comes from many different sources I tend to believe it.

UPD. Oh, and what I forgot about Black Panther: he's after Bucky and clearly has some reasons for that. So it's not irrelevant to the plot and Cap at all.

Save your breath er fingers. Only Sharon having a significant role in a Cap movie makes it a Cap movie. All his other friends, teammates and adversaries being it and a clear majority of the screen time and the main focus of and narrative drive of the film being about Cap and his relationships still doesn't mean it's a Cap movie. That's why TWS was really a SHIELD movie and just a set up for AOU.

I was told that according to the WeAreWakanda site that Boseman filmed 6-8 weeks. Around the same as EVC, a bit more than Renner and Olsen and less RDJ, Mackie, Scarlett and Stan and oh yeah Chris who strangely was on set the most. BP's character in action scenes though lens itself to stunt doubles like Spidey, War Machine, Ant-Man and Iron Man.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Save your breath er fingers. Only Sharon having a significant role in a Cap movie makes it a Cap movie. All his other friends, teammates and adversaries being

Aside from Bucky and maybe Sam, who is Steve friends with in the cast? Natasha, right, Tony's new buddy.

it and a clear majority of the screen time and the main focus of and narrative drive of the film being about Cap and his relationships

Just so long as those relationships are with Avengers or future franchise headliners, eh?

 

[TalismanRing]

Friends like Tony Stark, Vision, Wanda, Spider-Man, Black Panther, Barton,...

He knows 2/3rds of those far more than he knows Sharon Carter and her portrayer was on set as long as or longer than any one not named RDJ and we all know how much more important Sharon is to The Civil War than Tony Stark what with her only significant contribution in the comics being executing Steve when brainwashed.

Oh and the phase was friends, teammates and adversaries.