Sherlock - Series 4

[aNarcHy2day]

It was certainly very odd and unfulfilling in a way. An extended teaser.

 

[Snow Queen]

Well that was disappointing. Without a doubt the worst episode of the series.

 

[CaptainWagner]

If they would have just stuck to the Victorian story and gave it a proper conclusion, than this would have been close to a perfect episode. But the shoehorned connection to the main series just fell flat on its face. So Moriarty is dead, but he's back, but he's REALLY dead, guys, I know this for sure, I'm just not going to say how. And also we have to find out what he's doing next.

 

[Gold Samurai]

It would have been better as 4 mini episodes spread out. Maybe ten minutes each.

 

[Teelie]

I liked parts of it and hated parts of it. The thing was such a jumbled mess and that is before the "twist" of it being Sherlock's mind palace, whichever era they decide to settle on.

There were a lot of great moments in it and several I could have done without. The actual crime itself I really liked in the intricacies of how it was pulled off and the implications behind it. The rest of it jumped from being good to being terrible.

At first I was thinking it would be interesting to see these as one-off specials every Christmas or two but now I'm hoping they don't do it again.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Hm. Interesting episode to say the least. I will say, I think people are overreacting quite a bit. It certainly wasn't horrible. In fact, parts of it had some of the best, most atmospheric moments in the series. Though the ending half did get a bit convoluted. Den of Geek's review pretty much summed up how I felt about it. I go back and forth on Moffat's writing. When he's on, he's ON. And he can produce some of the most exciting content on TV. When he's off, he typically starts strong, but can't quite figure out how to tie up his inventive premises.

This episode had bits of that. Though I don't necessarily think it was as bad as some people are making out. Sherlock went into a kind of mind palace/hallucination brought on by the drugs and the story was his mind's way of trying to figure out if Moriarty really could be back. It seems that, no, he couldn't but he probably set in motion a plan to still mess with people after his death. That seems straightforward, and a perfectly satisfactory answer to me. I don't see why so many people are upset by that. In fact, it's one of the options we all discussed at the end of S3 when we were going over the possibilities of the Moriarty tease. In that sense, this episode actually gave us at least one answer to that teaser.

The other option being that the entirety of this modern Sherlock is all just a theoretical "what if" the real Sherlock made up in his head on the influence of his cocaine solution. Which is possible, I suppose, but I think that was just more of a fun stinger than anything else.

 

[Silvermoon]

Hm. Interesting episode to say the least. I will say, I think people are overreacting quite a bit. It certainly wasn't horrible. In fact, parts of it had some of the best, most atmospheric moments in the series. Though the ending half did get a bit convoluted. Den of Geek's review pretty much summed up how I felt about it. I go back and forth on Moffat's writing. When he's on, he's ON. And he can produce some of the most exciting content on TV. When he's off, he typically starts strong, but can't quite figure out how to tie up his inventive premises.

This episode had bits of that. Though I don't necessarily think it was as bad as some people are making out. Sherlock went into a kind of mind palace/hallucination brought on by the drugs and the story was his mind's way of trying to figure out if Moriarty really could be back. It seems that, no, he couldn't but he probably set in motion a plan to still mess with people after his death. That seems straightforward, and a perfectly satisfactory answer to me. I don't see why so many people are upset by that. In fact, it's one of the options we all discussed at the end of S3 when we were going over the possibilities of the Moriarty tease. In that sense, this episode actually gave us at least one answer to that teaser.

The other option being that the entirety of this modern Sherlock is all just a theoretical "what if" the real Sherlock made up in his head on the influence of his cocaine solution. Which is possible, I suppose, but I think that was just more of a fun stinger than anything else.

This is pretty much my view of the episode. Was it the best episode? No. But on the whole, I enjoyed it for what it was.

 

[Teelie]

I think I will have to watch it again and see it from the perspective knowing it isn't a simple Sherlock in the 1800's retelling but connected to the modern era Sherlock.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Wish they'd kept the whole thing in the Victorian era, I enjoyed it until they started jumping around and the conclusion wasn't very satisfying. It almost felt like they were trying to use some ideas that would be better suited to Doctor Who. They didn't really have to have the modern day stuff at all for us to catch onto them addressing the Moriarty situation with the whole gunshot to the head.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I throughly enjoyed the episode, they got me off guard when they revealed this was a prelude to Series 4. I enjoyed the special. I loved how the Victorian era Sherlock Holmes was very reminiscent of Basil Rathbone . also the nods to various Holmes stories was nice. I though the cast was brilliant .

 

[The Caped Knight]

I like the inception mind palace of Sherlock victorian era as it fit's into Watson's reality depiction of him as this respectable World's Greatest Detective as a Man out of Time from a more civilized aged. The narrative worked and fit in this as it dives into Sherlock's interpretation of his supporting characters. I can't wait to see where they go in series four.

 

[Spider-Who?]

While the majority of the final act was a mess, I really enjoyed the episode, overall. It was a lot of fun and even creepy at times.

 

[Spider-Who?]

Does Moffat consider a feminist movement to be a terror threat?

Moffat, no, but many men and the government of the time absolutely had a problem with it. 50% of the population suddenly demanding equality in all levels of society was kind of a big deal.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

It was a good appetizer, too bad the main course will be severed in 2017.

 

[BestGirl]

The first 2/3s of the episode were excellent, then, as so often happens, it went into the toilet when Moriarty appeared. I hate his manner of his enunciation and his mugging for the camera. I'm convinced that my version of Hell would be to be locked in a room with Andrew Scott's Moriarty for all eternity. At least Sherlock confirmed he was dead by the end of the episode. If season 4 had revolved around him, I don't think I could've watched.

My other real criticisms were 1) that I couldn't buy that Holmes wouldn't immediately recognize that Rupert was in fact a woman. I mean, she barely hid it. And 2) the constant shifting back and forth between time periods felt unnecessary. The scenes at Reichenbach and in the cemetery were especially useless.

Other than that, the Victorian bits were wonderful. The mystery was intriguing, the pacing was perfect, and the banter was hilarious. I particularly enjoyed Holmes's. "I've never longed so much to be attacked by a vengeful ghost."

 

[Marvolo]

This would have been so much better as a standalone Victorian era episode. Did we really need 90 minute convoluted mess to reach a conclusion that Sherlock could have and should have reached in seconds. A few minutes at most.

 

[Gold Samurai]

It was all for a 2 second explanation that got dragged into a 90 minute "Inception" ripoff

"Of course he's dead don't be stupid"


And then we go into a meta state with Victorian Sherlock contemplating his future self.

Can't we just a clean mystery without resorting to these types of antics. If they had just told the plot "A" point all would have been fine

Instead we get dragged into multiple places.

-Victorian mind palace scenario

-The present

-Victorian Sherlock on a waterfall cliff

 

[BestGirl]

This would have been so much better as a standalone Victorian era episode. Did we really need 90 minute convoluted mess to reach a conclusion that Sherlock could have and should have reached in seconds. A few minutes at most.

I don't even exactly understand how solving the Riccoletti case in any way helped him with Moriarty's. Emilia's manner of faking her own death couldn't've been utilized by Moriarty; he and Sherlock were alone on that roof IIRC.

 

[Silvermoon]

Was kind of shocked when I logged onto twitter this morning and in my "while you were away" section was a tweet from the official Sherlock Twitter that the episode is already available for purchase on Blu-Ray/DVD. It hasn't even been 2 weeks since it first aired.

UK Links: http://www.bbcshop.com/page/search?q=Sherlock:+The+Abominable+Bride or http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0119OFSGQ

US Links: http://shop.bbc.com/us/mystery+suspense/sherlock-the-abominable-bride/invt/20032 or http://amzn.com/B013JBJ7EG

According to Amazon, special features included are:

Mark Gatiss: A Study in Sherlock – 30-minute "making of" documentary
Mark Gatiss: Production Diary
Creating the Look – Eight inside looks into how different scenes were created in the Sherlock Special
Interview with the writers Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss
Sherlockology Q&A

 

[aNarcHy2day]

I don't even exactly understand how solving the Riccoletti case in any way helped him with Moriarty's. Emilia's manner of faking her own death couldn't've been utilized by Moriarty; he and Sherlock were alone on that roof IIRC.

Hey! Sherlock's more intelligent than you. If he says that's what happened, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED!

 

[Kaleb]

Toby Jones to star as Sherlock villain

Jones will join Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman in the second episode of the new three-part series. Filming began on Monday.

Jones said: "I'm excited and intrigued by the character I shall be playing in Sherlock..."

The show's co-creator Steven Moffat said: "Delighted to have Toby Jones on board, bringing to life one of Doyle's finest villains."

Co-creator Mark Gatiss added: "We're thrilled to welcome one of our finest actors to the Sherlock family. I know Toby will embrace the part with true relish!"

It was announced last month that series four will begin with Holmes (Cumberbatch) back on British soil, as Doctor Watson (Freeman) and his wife, Mary (Amanda Abbington), prepare for parenthood.

 

[Kaleb]

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[Boom]

Who's Toby Jones playing?

 

[Gort Baringa]

I hope that it is wrong, but I understand the producers believe that this will be the final series!

NO NO NO NO NO - ABSOLUTELY DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!

. . . or give us a cinema dose every two (or even three) years.

 

[Teelie]

The way it was phrased is they think it might be because Cumberbatch and Freeman are getting too famous and may move on though in the past both indicated they enjoyed doing the series and would keep coming back in the future when they can.