Should Jean Grey be brought back?

[storyteller]

Cyclops is not evil. Cyclops is not corrupt. Cyclops has not become a prick. Wolverine has tricking the X-men into thinking that their hands can be squeaky clean while he remains a killer. The X-men are naive.

 

[runawayboulder]

Wolverine hasn't been trying to trick anyone. Daken tricked Wolverine into killing his other kids he never knew he had and it changed him, leading into Schism where he refused to put the younger students on the front line. This was reflected in Uncanny X-Force which wasn't as much about killing as you may think.

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't read any of Wolverine's titles, so I've always been confused. Am I right that Daken organized Wolverine's various unknown children and they attacked Wolverine, and unknowingly, Wolverine killed them all? I don't see how that correlates to Wolverine opposing teen mutants fighting, especially when their lives depend on it quite a bit.

As for Cyclops, there are always going to be people calling him a prick, evil, dictator, insane, etc., but most of them don't even read the titles Cyclops stars in.

 

[runawayboulder]

I don't read any of Wolverine's titles, so I've always been confused. Am I right that Daken organized Wolverine's various unknown children and they attacked Wolverine, and unknowingly, Wolverine killed them all? I don't see how that correlates to Wolverine opposing teen mutants fighting, especially when their lives depend on it quite a bit.

He pretty much had a nervous breakdown because of it.

 

[Mad Ones]

And then started behaving illogically because of it? I guess it works...

 

[runawayboulder]

How exactly is it that?

 

[Snikt8]

Cyclops is not evil. Cyclops is not corrupt. Cyclops has not become a prick. Wolverine has tricking the X-men into thinking that their hands can be squeaky clean while he remains a killer. The X-men are naive.

Cyclops asked Wolverine to lead X-Force....becasue Scott made a decision to kill the enemy before they killed them. Logan agreed to keep the blood off of Scott's hands. But that does not excuse him from that. Also, in the Wolverine series when Logan was possesed and was taking out all the X-Men, Scott was training on how to kill Logan. Do you think Logan sits around and wonders how he could gut the other X-Men?

And now Scott shows up at the Jean Grey School trying to lure the students to join his revolution....? Thats not corrupt?

 

[Mad Ones]

How exactly is it that?

I guess I just don't get how Wolverine killing his own children correlates to Wolverine not allowing any kids to fight. Sounds like whatever happened in that Wolverine storyline was personal to him and the result of his own actions throughout the years. I'm not sure why he's extending it to the students, especially when they've needed to fight in order to not die.

 

[Snikt8]

^I don't think that Wolverine wants his students to be pacifists...he just feels they should be trained and not thrown into the front lines. Makes sense to me.

 

[Mad Ones]

Well, I don't think Cyclops was throwing students into the front lines either. Idie did what she had to do in Schism.

 

[Snikt8]

Now he is. He was practically standing besides his "new" students when facing off with the Avengers in UXM.

 

[Mad Ones]

Oh yeah. He for sure is now. But during Schism I didn't think he was, though.

 

[runawayboulder]

I guess I just don't get how Wolverine killing his own children correlates to Wolverine not allowing any kids to fight. Sounds like whatever happened in that Wolverine storyline was personal to him and the result of his own actions throughout the years. I'm not sure why he's extending it to the students, especially when they've needed to fight in order to not die.

It was a series of events that compounded into everything:

#1) He was tricked into killing his kids.
#2) Witnessed first hand the murder of the Apocalypse child in cold blood.
#3) Saw Cyclops willingness to put young children on the front line when he felt the other X-Men were capable.

 

[Hawkingbird]

It's not like that sort of crap is new to him...