should singer do a remake.

[ntcrawler]

I think some ppl forget Jean's opening scene in X-Men when she's at the Senate hearing... ... la la la ... Since her death, beast took over her position.

There was ne dept of mutant affairs at that point. She was giving a briefing to a senate hearing as a technical expert.

Beast's position actually had some authority.

BTW, does comics Beast wear shoes? I thought he was supposed to have HUGE feet.

 

[The Batman]

Everything in X2 indicated Scott would get a bigger role. Anyone who says otherwise is probably trying to discourage you.

 

[ntcrawler]

Everything in X2 indicated Scott would get a bigger role. Anyone who says otherwise is probably trying to discourage you.

And this is why we were caught off guard. Some people suggested Cyclops fans should have taken a more pro-active approach and fought to give him a bigger, more dignified role in X3. But in retrospect I don't think we could have done that. Because there was nothing to indicate things would turn out as bad as they did. No hints from shooting reports, previews, or the trailers to indicate Scott would get hosed in the first 10 minutes of the film. A film in whose plot Scott is understood to have a significant role.

 

[The Batman]

exactly. i just hope someday, someone will come out with an x project and say that the crap we have now dosent count as an xfilm.

 

[ntcrawler]

exactly. i just hope someday, someone will come out with an x project and say that the crap we have now dosent count as an xfilm.

That would be cool. And it can be done. It's been done before. We've seen multiple examples of movies in a series or sequels so bad or with a storyline so out of whack that the production staff wasn't afraid to jump over them and declare them null and void. Superman Returns is the latest example of that.

 

[The Batman]

I say those who want to get an idea of singers X3 should pick up his ultimate xmen run whenever it comes out

 

[ntcrawler]

I say those who want to get an idea of singers X3 should pick up his ultimate xmen run whenever it comes out

Really? I'll have to look into that, sounds neat!!

In the meantime there are already several good alternative X3's including 2 feature length novels which I thought were far more intelligent and engaging than what we saw on screen. And in both, Scott does get a prominant role just like you say X2 predicted, but not at the cost of the rest of the cast, who get their recognition too.

BTW, who are you? You sound like one of the voices of reason in this sometimes chaotic forum

 

[My Red Sight]

You never know if the same thing that happened to Brett's X3 would happen to Bryan's X3. Fox would still want Wolverine to have a huge role, and would likely discourage a big part from Cyclops. Bet I'm sure Bryan would be more involved with the script and be sneaky and give Cyclops a bigger role. But than I'm sure the action would be far weaker and it wouldn't have been as epic... so, I don't know.

 

[The Ones]

I dont give a **** about action unless its to do with a great story. I want Story first before Action. Thats why i loved the first 2 X-men/Wolverine movies

 

[ntcrawler]

I dont give a **** about action unless its to do with a great story. I want Story first before Action. Thats why i loved the first 2 X-men/Wolverine movies

Maybe we misunderstand what people are referring to when they want "action". If it's what I'm thinking, then they need to realize that X-Men is not Star Wars: Attack of the Clones. This isn't about having 5000 CGI characters involved in a massive street brawl with light sabers and eye beams and shooting fireballs at each other. X-Men are a covert strike team, not superheroes who fly around and fight crime and evil wherever it lurks. They are guardians, teachers, and civil rights activists. Of course if they see someone in distress or in danger, they won't hesitate to intervene. But they're not like Spiderman or Superman. They don't patrol the streets in search of action and glory, saving people from fires, little old ladies from muggers, and rescuing cats stuck in trees (although again they would if necessary)

Violence for them is a last resort. The work they do when not in uniform is just as important and critical to the story as when they're physically kicking ass.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

You never know if the same thing that happened to Brett's X3 would happen to Bryan's X3. Fox would still want Wolverine to have a huge role, and would likely discourage a big part from Cyclops. Bet I'm sure Bryan would be more involved with the script and be sneaky and give Cyclops a bigger role. But than I'm sure the action would be far weaker and it wouldn't have been as epic... so, I don't know.

from what I understand, singer was involved in the writing of the script, storyboard, and most of he casting. Bretts Just directed, and was given great times restraints, and limited by fox of doing, pretty much any changes. correct me if I am wrong here people, i am just going by what I’ve heard.

 

[My Red Sight]

I dont give a **** about action unless its to do with a great story. I want Story first before Action. Thats why i loved the first 2 X-men/Wolverine movies

Yeah, but we do get the story and characters in the first two movies and this one kind of needed to be a smash and a bang, which was kind of it's saving grace. I'm not sure it would have been as successful outside of fan community if it focused on the story and talking about the story without any action towards the story.

 

[ntcrawler]

from what I understand, singer was involved in the writing of the script, storyboard, and most of he casting. Bretts Just directed, and was given great times restraints, and limited by fox of doing, pretty much any changes. correct me if I am wrong here people, i am just going by what I’ve heard.

You are correct. Singer was personally involved with developing the scripts for X1 and X2, and was working on the scripts for X3/X4 when FOX gave him the cold shoulder so he left to do Superman. Once he left, FOX's managers got involved in the script-writing process themselves. They took Penn and Kinberg, put a list of demands on their desk for what to include in the script and pointed a gun to their heads. By the time Ratner came onboard, the script was pretty much finalized. His job was to film it, not add to the creative process.

 

[La_She-Beast]

You are correct. Singer was personally involved with developing the scripts for X1 and X2, and was working on the scripts for X3/X4 when FOX gave him the cold shoulder so he left to do Superman. Once he left, FOX's managers got involved in the script-writing process themselves. They took Penn and Kinberg, put a list of demands on their desk for what to include in the script and pointed a gun to their heads. By the time Ratner came onboard, the script was pretty much finalized. His job was to film it, not add to the creative process.

Oh. I didn't know that. Is it official what you're saying? And what do you mean with "cold shoulder"

 

[ntcrawler]

Oh. I didn't know that. Is it official what you're saying? And what do you mean with "cold shoulder"

By cold shoulder I mean when Singer was asking about when he could sign the contract to officially start production of X3, he kept getting delay after delay with management expressing concern that a movie which centered around Cyclops would not be financially successful. Singer waited for around a year without being officially brought on board. Rich or poor, the man needs to work. Warner Brothers was alot more supportive of him and gave him a chance to direct the Superman Returns movie, of which he was a big fan anyways and allowed him to be directly involved with the creative process. So he did what was best for himself.

The storyline put together to make X3, except for involving the resurrection of Jean was not put together by Singer. He had something completely different in mind and intended to have it spread out across two movies and involving the Hellfire Club. Supposedly he was going to cast Sigourney Weaver to play Emma Frost. And from what some fans have speculated on this and other boards, Singer intended for his portrayal of the Phoenix to be a bit more... positive, and the final confrontation to be between Jean and Scott, not Logan.

 

[La_She-Beast]

^I see... scary.

There was ne dept of mutant affairs at that point. She was giving a briefing to a senate hearing as a technical expert.

Beast's position actually had some authority.

BTW, does comics Beast wear shoes? I thought he was supposed to have HUGE feet.

^No, I don't think so. I guess he should thank the Thing for making size 70 Nike shoes Actually, I didn't care much for that... I think if he came by in bare feet in front of the president... he would feel be a bit... indignant. lol

What are a bunch of internet fan's going to do? Petition? Fox is never fan friendly so i doubt that would work. Our best hope is to wait for a competent director to come along in the 20 years or so it takes for Fox to loos the rights and give it back to Marvel

aaaw you're being negative...

IN the love... AWAY the worries

Listen to Mr.Burns...

In all honesty, I think we got a pretty much perfect Beast..

1) the blue furry look
2) hanging upside down reading
3) the 'stars and garters' classic line
4) the well-spoken intellectualism that is so opposite to what one would expect from his appearance
5) a hint that he'd been an X-Men member in the past
6) fight scenes showing his acrobatics

You got the classic, obvious points of his, me friend. That's why there is a term called "character development". There are no "what ifs?" like "what if he was part of the project 'creating the cure?'" or "what would be his DEFINITIVE reaction over the cure?" or all that crap.

Don't get me wrong- you know perfectly that I loved Beast appearing in the big screen and Kelsey Grammer made a fab job bringing him to life... but he seemed... unfinished. Just like the rest of the movie.

 

[ntcrawler]

You got the classic, obvious points of his, me friend. That's why there is a term called "character development". There are no "what ifs?" like "what if he was part of the project 'creating the cure?'" or "what would be his DEFINITIVE reaction over the cure?" or all that crap.

Ahhh, but they forgot one important part about Beast. The part where he's first and foremost supposed to be a doctor and scientist! In the movie he's a fighter and politician. But not a scientist??? If anything the guy himself should have acquired a sample of the Cure, studied it intensely in the Xavier institute's lab and come to a conclusion towards the end along these lines:

"Oh my stars and garters, it appears the cure has a flaw and may not be permanent! There's no telling what might happen now!"

But they forgot to put in that part

 

[ntcrawler]

In all honesty, I think we got a pretty much perfect Beast..

1) the blue furry look
2) hanging upside down reading
3) the 'stars and garters' classic line
4) the well-spoken intellectualism that is so opposite to what one would expect from his appearance
5) a hint that he'd been an X-Men member in the past
6) fight scenes showing his acrobatics

Wait, wait. you forgot one. #7: Showing him as the doctor and scientist that he is.

No wait, THEY'RE the ones that forgot to include that. I thought it was sort of an important part, more important than saying "stars and garters"?

 

[Stripesy Strip]

I don`t see how Singer would have done X3 differently than it was done.

 

[La_She-Beast]

a planned transformation scene where Cerebro made him furry (which was never filmed).

I didn't know that! boohooohooo whyy didn't that happen?? It could have happened that his memories awaken the 'inner beast' with a "brainwash" of Cerebro or something...*sigh* anyways.

 

[Galactical]

I think in singer's version we might see iceman iced up for more than two seconds.

 

[Obsidian]

I don`t see how Singer would have done X3 differently than it was done.

Singer would've certainly done a much different take on X3 than what we saw in theatres this summer. There would be more character development, Cyclops would be one of the main players of the story, less cringeworthy dialogue, less pointless deaths, and more psychological as well as physical showdowns between good and evil. The "cure" most likely wouldn't have played a part in the movie and the movie would focus more on evolution and Jean as a chaotic second evolution of mutants.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Singer would've certainly done a much different take on X3 than what we saw in theatres this summer. There would be more character development, Cyclops would be one of the main players of the story, less cringeworthy dialogue, less pointless deaths, and more psychological as well as physical showdowns between good and evil. The "cure" most likely wouldn't have played a part in the movie and the movie would focus more on evolution and Jean as a chaotic second evolution of mutants.

I would have loved to see that and enjoy it even more than I did with TLS. ... oh please Singer.

 

[X-Maniac]

Everything in X2 indicated Scott would get a bigger role. Anyone who says otherwise is probably trying to discourage you.

Everything in X2 indicated that Scott would never get a bigger role and that Wolverine was more important. Don't kid yourself that the studio would suddenly roll over and make Cyclops prominent if Singer were in charge. They got Cyclops shoved aside when Singer was in charge of X2.

 

[RagingTempest]

No, I'm sorry. No matter how bad a lot of people thought X3 was, it just be a watse of time and money, just make another sequel.