The Dark Knight Rises Should There Be A ‘Joker’ Spin-Off Film? Brett Ratner Thinks So

[Infinity9999x]

I'd like to Depp as Joker and Tony Scott or David Fincher as the director of this.

Well, the nice thing about this movie, as I discussed with Spider-Bat, is that you could have multiple actors portraying the Joker at different stages in his life, because it's all seen through his eyes, and as we know, his past shifts continuously.

And I think David Fincher would be a perfect candidate for it. Watching Fight club was what gave me some ideas for it to begin with.

I'll let him do it as long as I can write it t:

 

[The Spider-Bat]

Well, the nice thing about this movie, as I discussed with Spider-Bat, is that you could have multiple actors portraying the Joker at different stages in his life, because it's all seen through his eyes, and as we know, his past shifts continuously.

And I think David Fincher would be a perfect candidate for it. Watching Fight club was what gave me some ideas for it to begin with.

I'll let him do it as long as I can write it t:

Fincher is one of my all time favorite directors, and he really has a whole range of shooting styles, watch Zodiac and Fight Club for example. Still, I do feel that he would be very much typecast, so I'd be willing to give someone else a try, off the top of my head, I think Robert Zemeckis would do a pretty bang up job of it.

 

[Sweetchuck]

If a Joker spin-off movie was ever made, I wouldn't do it as a prequel. The Joker's origin should never be explained.

My long-brewing idea, one I'd love to write a screenplay for some day, is for a demented twist on "Citizen Kane". The Joker "dies" in battle with Batman, or so it seems. And so the story unfolds from the perspective of the young reporter charged with writing his obituary. The guy wants to get a sense of The Joker's life story. So he goes to Gordon, then to some of The Joker's victims, then to Arkham Asylum. He's kidnapped by Harley Quinn, then rescued by Batman. And in all these episodes, he is told a different story about The Joker. And this becomes The Joker's presence in the film. As a recurring character in all these flashbacks, each from a different perspective and with a different narrator. Of course, in the end you'd find out that The Joker isn't so dead after all.

That is a VERY good idea. As long as Rattner is NOT involved...

 

[jmc]

Star Wars is a dead franchise, quality-wise.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[Venom160]

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oh dear god no......Warner Bros. please keep Ratner as far away from Joker (or any Batman related movie for that matter). The man completely ruined one of my fav superhero franchises and I couldn't stand to see another fav be ruined by this hack.

 

[TDK86]

I actually think a Joker solo movie could be interesting.

I think it could be cool if they did one dealing with his origin, but do it in a trippy Fight Club style of filming. I'd have it start with him as a child, but throughout the movie have things happen that contradict what happens to him later in life. At one point in the movie we see his father scarring him as a boy, later in the movie we see him older with no scars, being a struggling comic with a wife, and scarring himself. Then we see him working for the mob, and getting a chelsea grin after a botched operation.

I'd also incorporate the kind of subliminal messaging they do in Fight Club, except have flashes of the Joker, or random flashes or horrible images.

There would be a general story that the movie follows, but as I said, events here and there would contradict each other. At the end of the movie, I'd have it flash to a scene of the Joker holding a knife to someone (any random person) and end it with him saying "...and that's how I got these scars..."

The whole point being that the movie is basically all being played out in the Joker's head, which is why it would have a frantic, odd filming style to it. With quick cuts and the flashes of images that seem unconnected to the story, and at the same time having different events in the story contradict themselves.

Basically, the movie would offer multiple explanations to how he becomes the Joker. It would follow a semblance of linear story-telling (starting with him as a boy and ending with him as an adult) but at different points in the film he's dipicted as experiencing different things and acting in completely different ways.

For example; one scene of him as a child would show him as an innocent boy being abused by his father, later, we see him acting like a horrible little sociopath, lighting a cat on fire just to amuse himself.

At the end of the movie, the audience wouldn't have a clear answer of what made the Joker how he is, but only be provided with possible explanations. It would be carrying on the theme of TKJ basically, and providing us with an insight of how the Joker remembers his past.


....but to make it clear, NONE of this would involve Brett Ratner.

Though I'm usually against "origin" stories especially for characters like the Joker, I can definantly see this working bucause of the multiple senarios except instead of him holding a knife to a random person at the end saying "and thats how I got these scars" he would be talking to Harley.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Though I'm usually against "origin" stories especially for characters like the Joker, I can definantly see this working bucause of the multiple senarios except instead of him holding a knife to a random person at the end saying "and thats how I got these scars" he would be talking to Harley.

That could be an interesting ending too, have it end with him telling that to Harvey while he's still in Arkham and she's his psychiatrist.

 

[Closerframe]

Didn't we already have a Joker film with Tim Burton's Batman?

 

[mongoose-mania]

No thank you.

 

[christpunchers]

Joker spin off won't work.. because he can't do it without Batman.

 

[christpunchers]

And didn't we already have a Venom spinoff coming our way? That's gonna suck some giant balls. Don't butcher the Joker please.

 

[BubbaGump]

Isn't that cute? But it's WRONG.

 

[gwynplaine]

I remember the Joker comic books from the 80's ( I think). Batman was absent and they were not very good. Maybe it would be the same for a movie ? I think he needs Batman and probably his screentime should be limited with each scenes making a strong impact like in TDK or like with Lector in Silence. Showing him too much would probably diminish the character imo.

 

[CaptainClown]

I remember the Joker comic books from the 80's ( I think). Batman was absent and they were not very good. Maybe it would be the same for a movie ? I think he needs Batman and probably his screentime should be limited with each scenes making a strong impact like in TDK or like with Lector in Silence. Showing him too much would probably diminish the character imo.

Much like

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kind of made those iconic villains toned down

 

[gwynplaine]

Much like

or

kind of made those iconic villains toned down

Yes, Sir, perfect illustration.

 

[Crook]

Eh. The potential in telling Anakin's story was incredibly limitless, and the general outline of it was tragic and engaging. It was Lucas' fault that it didn't work, not the concept.

 

[CaptainClown]

Well I am not saying that doing it was necessarily bad, however it did dilute the character Darth Vader.

 

[Crook]

The actual films, yes. Given to another director with a better script and the same basic outline for his origin, I would say it would have been infinitely better.

Knowing where Vader came from made him even more of a stronger character, I think. He was a good villain in ANH, but it was ESB and ROTJ that actually gave him dimension.

 

[The Batkilt]

It might not have worked as well as it could have but it was by no means a failure. The third act of Revenge of The Sith was bang on the money, especially the climatic battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Personally I'm a fan of the prequels and the only complaints I have about them is a) too much Jar Jar in Episode 1 (though as another member of the board and I have discussed in PM him and his kind are far above the Ewoks!) b) Phantom Menace and Clone Wars are a bit slow in builting towards the tragic aspect of what Anakin will become. But at the same time I can see why - Lucas wanted to show Anakin at every stage of his life. Boy, adolescent, man and father.

 

[CaptainClown]

The actual films, yes. Given to another director with a better script and the same basic outline for his origin, I would say it would have been infinitely better.

Knowing where Vader came from made him even more of a stronger character, I think. He was a good villain in ANH, but it was ESB and ROTJ that actually gave him dimension.

Well we can't make the assumption that someone else would have made it better we have to work with what we have.

Without knowing about him and slow reveals through his actions in ESB and ROTJ I believe was strongl then seeing his whole backstory.

 

[Crook]

Well we can't make the assumption that someone else would have made it better we have to work with what we have.

Unless you're implying the PT reached it's full potential or it was very close to greatness, I don't see why not. I mean it doesn't take a genius to assume that Tim Burton probably would have made a better third Batman film than Schumacher did.

Without knowing about him and slow reveals through his actions in ESB and ROTJ I believe was strongl then seeing his whole backstory.

Perhaps. But the 2 films gave Vader a history and past that the audience could connect and sympathize with. That's what I was referring to, not necessarily an entire drawn-out diagram of who he was. Just the very fact that the OT sequels cemented an origin, whose most basic facets revealed a whole new layer to a pretty one-dimensional character.

I'm contending the statement that giving history is somehow detrimental. As with all narrative decisions, they have their pros and cons.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

RDJ as the Joker? Hey it could work, the man is a fabulous actor. I wouldn't mind seeing how'd he'd do. But Ranter directing it? NO, NO!!!!
He couldn't even do X-Men 3 right, fans got so angry about that.

 

[Gianakin_]

It might not have worked as well as it could have but it was by no means a failure. The third act of Revenge of The Sith was bang on the money, especially the climatic battle between Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Personally I'm a fan of the prequels and the only complaints I have about them is a) too much Jar Jar in Episode 1 (though as another member of the board and I have discussed in PM him and his kind are far above the Ewoks!) b) Phantom Menace and Clone Wars are a bit slow in builting towards the tragic aspect of what Anakin will become. But at the same time I can see why - Lucas wanted to show Anakin at every stage of his life. Boy, adolescent, man and father.

 

[TDK86]

While we're on the topic of Star Wars, let me just say I personally like the prequel Trilogy and the only thing that really annoyed the hell out of me (besides Jar Jar) was the dialogue, I mean Obi Wan and Padme calling the kids younglings, what the hell is up with that? I can forgive Yoda for calling them as such but why couldn't Obi Wan or Padme just say kids or children?

 

[Gianakin_]

A SW universe ligo perhaps? I hardly consider it cringe-worthy. Dialogue like the fireplace scene in AotC was bad.