The Dark Knight Rises Should There Be A ‘Joker’ Spin-Off Film? Brett Ratner Thinks So

[Dark Knight]

F off Ratner and get the heck away from anything Batman related!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I say we open 'im up like a can of beans, tha CAAAAAANT!!!!!!!

 

[deathfromabove]

Do I particularly want to see Brett Ratner direct THE JOKER? No. But the hate he gets is...eh, I suppose he brings it upon himself.

he certainly does bring it on himself.

I don't know. Why aren't you?

because, as i'm sure you know, we dont really see eye to eye on much. so when i see that once again we do not agree, i am not suprised.

Of course I have. Some of them I like. Some of them I don't. What's so bad about Ratner's movies?

its less about what is so bad and more about the fact that not much is very good. he is a consistantly mediocre director. competent at times but completely mediocre.

why would any fan want him near a beloved property? i sure you can see why so many are reacting so strongly (perhaps a bit too strongly but still...)

I don't understand the issue. Robert Downey Jr. would probably have a fantastic take on The Joker. He's a very talented actor. You've got to take this stuff with a grain of salt. We all know RDJ likely won't ever be The Joker.

of course we know that RDJ will likely never play the joker. he just sounds like jon peters or avi arad. "you know what would be awesome? rdj as joker!" its like when all the fanboys suggest depp for every single genre role ever mentioned.

It's hardly that simple. The story and concept for X3 was pretty much set in stone when Vaughn bailed and Ratner came on. What do you think Ratner did that screwed up X3 so badly?

i know the production was very far along when he came onboard. and there were problems before he was attached. and yet he still decided to take the job despite all this. and he still failed to deliver a good movie. this speaks to both his judgement (failed) and skills as a filmaker (mediocre).

I fail to see your point. It didn't stop Ratner, either. Go look at X3's performance. Fans being pissed that Cyclops and Xavier died and that they didn't get to see more than a sentinel's head doesn't X3 a horrible movie make.

no killing xavier and cyclops does not a horrible movie make. i really didnt have much of a problem with the story actually. but x3 was still (in my estimation) a mediocre movie at best. maybe even worse than mediocre. only suffered through it once so i dont recall. the direction was flimsy and amatuerish. the creative and directorial choices were poor. i reflexively giggled at multiple points throughout the movie.

but my point about burton and cameron was this: they both famously dealt with heavy handed studios and they both managed to rise above this and deliver films that were not only loved by thier fanbase but well recieved by critics and the movie going public.

i'm just not a fan of the man. i think the comments he has made show poor judgement and his movies show him to be a merely competent director at best and extremely mediocre at worst.

 

[Dark Globe]

I think Joker could carry his own film without The Batman, but Ratner is not the guy to do it.

 

[CashforStash]

Bad Ratner, stay away, stay away, thats a good boy....(pets belly)

 

[Punchinello]

Bad Ratner, stay away, stay away, thats a good boy....(pets belly)

Brad should be taken out back and shot for even thinking about it; let alone voicing his idea to the world. :| A way to latch onto the success of an actual film maker, much?

 

[The Major]

A way to latch onto the success of an actual film maker, much?

It's not like Ratner hasn't done this before.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Hell, no! And this is coming from someone who liked X3.

 

[X-Fan#1]

i wish i could issue a restraining order against Brett Ratner to stay as far away from these amazing Batman films as possible, he does not deserve the chance to ruin them

 

[I Am The Knight]

i know the production was very far along when he came onboard. and there were problems before he was attached. and yet he still decided to take the job despite all this. and he still failed to deliver a good movie. this speaks to both his judgement (failed) and skills as a filmaker (mediocre)

Yup. The fact that Vaughn bailed (A good director, IMO) yet Ratner took the job pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

People need to lay off my friend Brett Ratner. I met him for some foamy latte's yesterday and he is really down in the dumps and doesn't know why everyone hates his stinking guts so much.

 

[The Guard]

Yup. The fact that Vaughn bailed (A good director, IMO) yet Ratner took the job pretty much speaks for itself.

Speaks to what, exactly? Vaughn bailed because he couldn't take the studio constraints and moreso, the timetable. Ratner came in and directed the film that the writers and Vaughn had conceived, which was not what it could have been in the first place. What does that "speak to" about Ratner, that he's a "hired gun"? What bearing does that have on anything?

 

[I Am The Knight]

Speaks to what, exactly? Vaughn bailed because he couldn't take the studio constraints and moreso, the timetable. Ratner came in and directed the film that the writers and Vaughn had conceived, which was not what it could have been in the first place. What does that "speak to" about Ratner, that he's a "hired gun"? What bearing does that have on anything?

Vaughn wanted to shoot that script? I always assumed he bailed because he didn't like the film the studio wanted to make, but Ratner had no problem with it and just filmed the thing. Yes, he's a hired gun if that's the case. You don't have a problem with that kind of director?

 

[deathfromabove]

Vaughn wanted to shoot that script? I always assumed he bailed because he didn't like the film the studio wanted to make, but Ratner had no problem with it and just filmed the thing. Yes, he's a hired gun if that's the case. You don't have a problem with that kind of director?

clearly he does not.

 

[Crook]

#4. He thinks robert downey jr. would be a good joker?

I must've missed the memo. Is RDJ considered a bad actor now?

 

[Crook]

I never said he was bad actor but if anyone really thinks he can pull off the joker then your messed up in the head.

I'm sure you were one of those people that were pulling for Heath doing the role before he was cast, yes?

He did his thing in Iron Man, but I think one superhero movie is enough.

I wouldn't actually want him to do it because of IM, but that doesn't mean I don't think he could pull off the role wonderfully.

And do you really think he or anyone else could play the joker after ledger?

Do you think it's even logically feasible to proclaim that there is no other actor in the world, until the end of time, that could pull Joker off? Someone is delusional.

 

[Darkknight14]

Yes. RDJ is amazing. Yes, he might be able to do it. But no, I don't think he should, 1, because of IM, 2, because he's a wee bit too old (yes I know Nicholson was relatively old), 3, he doesn't quite have the right look that I would be hoping for. But yes, if he tried it, I'm sure it'd be great. But it just doesn't seem to sit well with me. Bettany I think would be cool to see try it. Anywho, regardless. Ratner, needs to be stunned, dragged away from Batman, shot, and thrown out of the DC Universe's vicinity. He blew his load on X3, and it was a sticky mess. Let's not do that to one of the greatest villains (if not characters) of all time.

 

[nite-owl]

I thought Vuaghan left X3 because he didn't want to be a way from his family for 3 months.

 

[Darkness Falls]

Brett Ratner needs to die now!! Ok heres why...

#1. X-men 3
#2. Rush Hour 3
#3. He is going to direct Beverly Hills Cop 4 (Nooo!)
#4. He thinks robert downey jr. would be a good joker?
#5. Look what he did to prison break (its dead now)
#6. Codename: The Cleaner
#7. Running Scared (paul walker..enough said)

The list goes on and on and on people. Enough of this stupid piece of ****. He needs to stop making movies/tv shows or anything that will be viewed by human eyes. Just take a look at his track record and you will agree. Brett Ratner needs to be thrown, screaming from a helicopter!

don't forget he is going to direct god of war movie aswell
who was smoking crack when they came up with that idea

 

[Ace of Knaves]

David Banner who are you quoting them from? Ratner?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I would love to see a Joker and Harley film in the mould of Natural Born Killers. Obviously a few years down the line and not in canon with Nolans world, basically like a one-shot comic but in film form. It could be all trippy and surreal like a nightmare, i think that would be awesome if someone with talent makes it.

 

[Crook]

Wow. logically, feasible and proclaim. This must be a confidence booster to finally be able to use those big words, but don't hurt yourself.

They're not really big words, but ok.

I never said there is no other actor who could play him til the end of time. That's just your stupidity talking. Try not to over exaggerate here. At least for the immediate future, almost nobody is going to be able to get behind a new joker after TDKs version with ledger.

I'm only going by what you said. All you've stated is no one would be able to play Joker "after Ledger". There was no "immediate future" inserted in that statement. I'm not a psychic, so don't expect someone to take your words further than face value.

That doesn't mean that somebody later on down the line could be better than him, but RDJ? Come on! Yes somebody here is delusional and ain't me.

Because RDJ is SO bad. Ledger has more than proved to never underestimate an actor with versatility, even if they've never played that type of role before. Please tell me how I'M delusional when you're the one so convinced that it's not possible for someone of RDJ's skill to pull it off. You sound like the many that laughed off Ledger when he was first cast.

 

[mclay18]

Brett Ratner needs to die now!! Ok heres why...

#1. X-men 3
#2. Rush Hour 3
#3. He is going to direct Beverly Hills Cop 4 (Nooo!)
#4. He thinks robert downey jr. would be a good joker?
#5. Look what he did to prison break (its dead now)
#6. Codename: The Cleaner
#7. Running Scared (paul walker..enough said)

The list goes on and on and on people. Enough of this stupid piece of ****. He needs to stop making movies/tv shows or anything that will be viewed by human eyes. Just take a look at his track record and you will agree. Brett Ratner needs to be thrown, screaming from a helicopter!

Uh, you need to get your facts straight -- Ratner DID NOT direct Code Name: The Cleaner or Running Scared.

And I never really got the hate for X-Men 3 -- aside from the rushed script and shortchanged characters, I thought it was a decent film. Not a worthy sequel to X-Men, but I did enjoy it. I thought it was on the level of Spider-man 3... take that as you will.

And people have forgotten that Ratner directed Red Dragon (a much better film than Hannibal and Hannibal Rising IMO) and The Family Man. Those were pretty good films. But I don't think Ratner's well suited for any Batman spinoff films.

 

[CashforStash]

Uhh, Bret Ratner should stay away from Batman as possible and Uwe Boll should stay away from Batman as Humanaly possible.

 

[Sawyer]

Brett Ratner should be kicked in the balls for even saying the word "Joker"...