Should they make another Punisher movie? - Part 1

[Brawl]

I'd take Stevenson again in a heartbeat over those other choices.

And his movie would tank again. Look at his IMDb, he does supporting roles, his one lead role he was Punisher and the movie went nowhere. Some actors are good character players and he is one of them. Want the burly stern looking english accented thug you get him. You want a actor to grab the silver screen and demand you to look at him, he is not that person. I agree he fits every aspect of what the Punisher should look and act like but he will not make the movie successful no matter how good the script is.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Ray was lead in Kill the Irishman as well. Directed by Jonathan Hensleigh, coincidentally. Good movie too.

 

[Kable24]

Two things most Punisher fans keep saying. Jon Hamm should be cast as Castle, and it should be a show on HBO. Neither of those things are likely to happen.

As three of the oldest members of the Punisher boards, I think we've heard the HBO stuff and Jon Hamm thousands of times.

I still don't get the Jon Hamm thing considering people were complaining that Tom Jane was to much of a pretty boy to be the Punisher.

I think we had our three shots and all three bombed. So we take what we got and move on.

 

[Balthus Dire]

And his movie would tank again. Look at his IMDb, he does supporting roles, his one lead role he was Punisher and the movie went nowhere. Some actors are good character players and he is one of them. Want the burly stern looking english accented thug you get him. You want a actor to grab the silver screen and demand you to look at him, he is not that person. I agree he fits every aspect of what the Punisher should look and act like but he will not make the movie successful no matter how good the script is.

lol and I'd have to respectfully disagree with you. Completely.

 

[Kable24]

If Stevenson would have had a good script and a competent director, I would say he would be the definitive Punisher. Unfortunately, Lexi Alexander couldn't direct herself out of a brown paper bag. Maybe if LGF had some respect for the property they could have put some thought into it and made a great Punisher movie. Instead they just pissed all over the property.

 

[Shockdingo]

Meloni is one of my favorite alt casting choices, I'd go giddy if he got cast in any MCU flicks, but I'd start a musical flash mob in the streets if he became Frank.

 

[Balthus Dire]

If Stevenson would have had a good script and a competent director, I would say he would be the definitive Punisher. Unfortunately, Lexi Alexander couldn't direct herself out of a brown paper bag. Maybe if LGF had some respect for the property they could have put some thought into it and made a great Punisher movie. Instead they just pissed all over the property.

I think they were just hoping to crank out a crap movie to retain the rights, but when it bombed completely they figured the rights weren't even worth retaining.

When really it was just because they put out a crap movie...lol. It's like Tom Jane said (paraphrased): You can either hire a great writer for half a million bucks and get a great script, or you can hire five terrible writers for about a hundred grand each and still pay half a million bucks in the end but end up with a piece of crap script.

Some studios just don't get it.

 

[Brawl]

As three of the oldest members of the Punisher boards, I think we've heard the HBO stuff and Jon Hamm thousands of times.

I still don't get the Jon Hamm thing considering people were complaining that Tom Jane was to much of a pretty boy to be the Punisher.

I think we had our three shots and all three bombed. So we take what we got and move on.

Agree, Jon Hamm is not as metro-sexual looking as Jane is but I can definitely see the comparison to Jane in the looks dept. Hamm can pull it off though with some good make-up effects (scar over eye or something). He at least has the charisma factor down to put butts in the seats of movies that picks like Stevenson does not have.

 

[S. Grundy]

I don't know. I mean he's a good actor and all, but the ratings for Mad Men aren't that amazing.

 

[Red.Star.Killer]

the reason i love Jon Hamm for Castle so much is that he's known to do uncredited cameos in many films.
imagine him popping up in the background of a marvel movie

That would be amazing but Marvel doesn't have the rights unfortunately, with them giving the rights to fox to do the tv show. But with the pilot never being made, the rights reverted back but quickly went to ABC. However, just because he's on TV doesn't mean he can't be in the movies. Look at Green Arrow, he's got a TV show coming out on CW and a movie in the works. Now sure TV and film rights are two different things but they're both owned by Warner/DC and the CW is apart of Warner. Same for Disney/Marvel as I think abc is owned by Disney.

Yea, it's Grillo or Hamm for me. (If Tom is not coming back )

Grillo could work fine I believe. Plus not to be that guy but it's a rarity to find someone so close to the character. He's fully italian and from new york. Now sure that shouldn't mean much but is it too much to get an italian new yorker to play an italian new yorker. Plus he's almost 50 and still looks like he's late 30s early 40s. I believe that's frank although I still wouldn't mind Stevenson getting another shot. Or Jane lol.

Meloni is one of my favorite alt casting choices, I'd go giddy if he got cast in any MCU flicks, but I'd start a musical flash mob in the streets if he became Frank.
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lol, same. In all honesty, as long as they get an actor capable of doing the character justice I'm good either way. The real issue is finding the right studio to do the character justice. I just don't see Disney/Marvel putting a violent vigilante who kills in one of their films. ALthough they did have Black Widow & Hawkeye in "The Avengers" and they really didn't mind getting their kill streak on alien invaders or not.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Ray just didn't work for me as Frank. But then that whole movie he's in didn't work because as a New Yorker his accent was atrocious, slipping into his own accent all over the place. But then the movie didn't look like NY either, heck the train station entrance to Franks place isn't even a real MTA station nor does it look like one. How bush league is it that the Punisher couldn't walk through a real NY train station for his secret entrance.

 

[Kable24]

Because it's cheaper to film in Canada than New York when you're working on a shoestring budget. I guess Lexi Alexander figured if they throw in some stock NY footage that people will believe it's NY. She's an idiot.

 

[ChickenScratch]

She is. I swear my buds and I laughed at it on the same level we laughed at the Sci-fi Phantom miniseries "set in NY."

Now I'm not talking about having Ray do some stereotypical Bronx, Brooklyn or Queens accent. But sounding American or even sound like he's from anywhere in the Tri-state convincingly would sell it.

 

[Picard Sisko]

And his movie would tank again. Look at his IMDb, he does supporting roles, his one lead role he was Punisher and the movie went nowhere. Some actors are good character players and he is one of them. Want the burly stern looking english accented thug you get him. You want a actor to grab the silver screen and demand you to look at him, he is not that person. I agree he fits every aspect of what the Punisher should look and act like but he will not make the movie successful no matter how good the script is.

It wasn't his fault the movie failed. It was a crappy script, not the actor.

 

[S. Grundy]

Because it's cheaper to film in Canada than New York when you're working on a shoestring budget. I guess Lexi Alexander figured if they throw in some stock NY footage that people will believe it's NY. She's an idiot.

They should have done what Carnahan did for Narc, which was shot in Canada. But he was able to do a day of guerrilla shooting in Detroit.

She is. I swear my buds and I laughed at it on the same level we laughed at the Sci-fi Phantom miniseries "set in NY."

Now I'm not talking about having Ray do some stereotypical Bronx, Brooklyn or Queens accent. But sounding American or even sound like he's from anywhere in the Tri-state convincingly would sell it.

I thought he did okay, they were just going for a generic American accent, but you could hear his accent a few times.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

They should have done what Carnahan did for Narc, which was shot in Canada. But he was able to do a day of guerrilla shooting in Detroit.



I thought he did okay, they were just going for a generic American accent, but you could hear his accent a few times.

David Ayer, David Cronenberg, or Michael Mann could make one hellova Punisher movie.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

It wasn't his fault the movie failed. It was a crappy script, not the actor.

He's not a good actor.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

lol and I'd have to respectfully disagree with you. Completely.

Watch KILL THE IRISHMAN and OUTPOST.

He's the lead in both films and he's simply awful.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Watch KILL THE IRISHMAN and OUTPOST.

He's the lead in both films and he's simply awful.

I've seen both, thanks, and I still disagree.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I've seen both, thanks, and I still disagree.

Outta curiosity, who else do you think is a good actor?

Because I find it difficult to put Ray Stevenson on a list that includes Michael Fassbender, Gary Oldman, Mel Gibson, Mickey Rourke, Daniel Day Lewis, Michael Shannon, Heath Ledger, Ryan Gosling, Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, Colin Firth, Christoph Waltz, Brad Pitt, Javier Bardem, Russell Crowe, Jeremy Renner, Liev Schreiber & Philip Seymour Hoffman.

I only listed working actors & skipped deceased/retired greats like Brando, Nicholson, McQueen, Eastwood & Hackman.

I for one cannot for the life of me place Ray Stevenson on the level of those above, which to me are all fine actors. I can't even deem him mediocre. Just awful.

I get three things from watching him work: wooden, over-acting thug.

 

[Balthus Dire]

lol I never said he was the best actor in the known universe, just that I don't think he's a bad actor or nearly as bad as you seem to think.

And, in regards to your elite high caliber list: personally, I don't think anyone who is below the greatest actors of our time are automatically "bad" actors. Just because you're not Daniel Day Lewis doesn't mean you're Carrot Top.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

lol I never said he was the best actor in the known universe, just that I don't think he's a bad actor or nearly as bad as you seem to think.

And, in regards to your elite high caliber list: personally, I don't think anyone who is below the greatest actors of our time are automatically "bad" actors. Just because you're not Daniel Day Lewis doesn't mean you're Carrot Top.

So actors in their late 40s who've been in the business 20 years should aspire to remain relatively unknown and mediocre?

That's Ray Stevenson for ya', and there's a reason he's not on that list above.

If you're in the scene but just not very good, you go nowhere.

Fassbender landed a supporting role in 300 five years ago and is now giving guys like Clooney a run for their money.

Stevenson isn't growing because he lacks talent.

 

[Balthus Dire]

....okay, man! You just keep on truckin' with your weird Ray Stevenson hate-on obsession. Hope it works out for you.

 

[Kable24]

lol I never said he was the best actor in the known universe, just that I don't think he's a bad actor or nearly as bad as you seem to think.

And, in regards to your elite high caliber list: personally, I don't think anyone who is below the greatest actors of our time are automatically "bad" actors. Just because you're not Daniel Day Lewis doesn't mean you're Carrot Top.

Forget it. He's to close minded to see your point of view. I would compare Stevenson to Nicholson, DeNiro or any of the greats, but the guy is a good actor and after seeing him in Outpost and especially Kill the Irishman, I think he is a great character actor.

 

[MadVillainy]

So actors in their late 40s who've been in the business 20 years should aspire to remain relatively unknown and mediocre?

That's Ray Stevenson for ya', and there's a reason he's not on that list above.

If you're in the scene but just not very good, you go nowhere.

Fassbender landed a supporting role in 300 five years ago and is now giving guys like Clooney a run for their money.

Stevenson isn't growing because he lacks talent.

Im gonna argue with the age thing because I dont think that's true at all

For example Richard Jenkins didnt start getting attention and acclaim until 2008 when he was 60. That doesnt mean he's a bad actor. Samuel L Jackson didnt do Jungle Fever until he was 43. Morgan Freeman was 50 when he did Street Smart.
Same with Bryan Cranston. I could be wrong but wasnt his first large role in Malcolm in the Middle in 2000 when he was 44? I mean he did some episodes of things like Seinfeld but he first really caught everyone's attention with Malcolm in the Middle and then even later he showed off his dramatic chops with Breaking Bad

Good actors sometimes don't go that far. The best actor in the world could be waiting a table right now. Being a successful actor isnt about just skill