Should they make another Punisher movie? - Part 2

[grout]

I do have to agree i really enjoyed PWZ, PWZ was kind of what Jane was starting to become towards the end of the 2004 punisher. Ray really did well and damn im sorry, Ray really does look like he jumped right out of the comic to me. Although i just see Jane for the role for whatever reasons.IMO PWZ is a one off if they can bring back Jane and continue.

Is it just me or is anyone else kinda getting sick of hearing about "shield" concepts to introduce everybody. I just dont see shield as this binding glue for a charaters success. I get the point of shield but its really for specific times.It just starting to feel like shield is gonna be used for a soap opera to wing around characters. I guess i really dont get it, but i think im the minority on the idea.

 

[metaphysician]

Don't get me wrong, I loved Punisher 2004. However, it didn't break even in theaters, and it clearly didn't earn enough respect from LGF to keep its sequel from being mismanaged into ignominy. Its sad that it wasn't more successful, but I can't honestly claim it was successful.

( Financially, that is; as a fun and faithful adaptation of the character, it was great )

 

[SWAT]

It made a s**t ton on DVD... That was the reason a sequel was planned to be made.

 

[S. Grundy]

With the overseas sales, it turned in over $50 million, so I'd say the '04 was a mild success.

 

[metaphysician]

With the overseas sales, it turned in over $50 million, so I'd say the '04 was a mild success.

Not with a budget of 33M. To break even, it would have need to make something like 66M, which means it fell short. Sure, DVD and rental and TV can add to that, and bring the movie into the black. However, you can't really call a movie a success when it *needs* that kind of stuff to break even, without making any profit in theaters. Its just not a total bomb, either.

 

[SWAT]

Well, I remember reading on punisher.com that it it grossed 100$ at one point.

 

[S. Grundy]

Not with a budget of 33M. To break even, it would have need to make something like 66M, which means it fell short. Sure, DVD and rental and TV can add to that, and bring the movie into the black. However, you can't really call a movie a success when it *needs* that kind of stuff to break even, without making any profit in theaters. Its just not a total bomb, either.

Also, Lionsgate pretty much had nothing to lose with it, they just had to get back whatever they put into the promotion of the movie, which was probably not that much. But the DVD sales were enough to greenlight a sequel and that's kinda all that matters.

 

[Hypestyle]

I wonder if anyone in the marvel film ranks are going to have a public reaction to the fan film.. I guess they don't want to.. ah well..

 

[Baneis8feettall]

The reason Punisher didn't get love from GA because movies were terrible. Make it like 70's vigilante movies and 80's action movies hybrid, Punisher might be the next big thing.

They are making +18 cartoony movies and blame Punisher for it.

 

[SpiderBat]

The name Denzel Washington is thrown around a lot here but I think he'd make a great Punisher

 

[Kable24]

The name Denzel Washington is thrown around a lot here but I think he'd make a great Punisher

Yeah the resemblance is amazing.

Denzel is a great actor and Man on Fire showed he can play a totally cool badass, but he's not right for the Punisher.

 

[SpiderBat]

Yeah the resemblance is amazing.

Denzel is a great actor and Man on Fire showed he can play a totally cool badass, but he's not right for the Punisher.

Haha, the image is the only problem. I just think that his acting style is perfect for the role. Man on Fire meets the Punisher would be amazing.

 

[S. Grundy]

To me the Punisher is one of those character where race doesn't matter. Black, white, brown - it ultimately doesn't matter because the character is rooted in loss, it could just as well be anyone of any race that overreacts in the way Castle did to what happened to him.

 

[Balthus Dire]

While that might be true, that doesn't mean they should switch his race for absolutely no reason lol.

I understand in certain cases like with Kingpin when MCD was the best option for the role and slaughtered everyone else who auditioned for it, sure. But there's many names that we have all thrown around who are more than capable for Frank without having to change his race.

Just my 2 cents.



Oh, and Denzel? No thanks.

 

[S. Grundy]

I think that's kind of short sighted. It wouldn't be for no reason, it would be based on how good the actor is. Take for example someone like Chiwetel Ejiofor, he's a great actor and personally I think he probably would be a better choice than most of the other actors named in this thread.

 

[Balthus Dire]

And I would completely disagree.

Michael Fassbender is a better actor than, say, Wesley Snipes. Should he therefore play Black Panther over Snipes? Nah, brah.

 

[Hypestyle]

Punisher is apparently a character in this Marvel Heroes MMORPG.. I wonder what all his powers/weapons will be..

 

[S. Grundy]

And I would completely disagree.

Michael Fassbender is a better actor than, say, Wesley Snipes. Should he therefore play Black Panther over Snipes? Nah, brah.

It's true some characters don't work when you swap the race, like Black Panther or Captain America or Magneto. But with the Punisher, there's nothing that would need to be changed in the characters background if you were to switch his race. Same thing applies to Peter Parker.

 

[Human Torch]

I'm not the biggest Punisher fan,but for what it's worth,I like Jane in the role.He really should get another chance.A "loose" sequel,if you will.

 

[Balthus Dire]

It's true some characters don't work when you swap the race, like Black Panther or Captain America or Magneto. But with the Punisher, there's nothing that would need to be changed in the characters background if you were to switch his race. Same thing applies to Peter Parker.

Black Panther is African, there are white Africans in real life...who's to say Fassbender couldn't play a white African Black Panther?

Obviously I'm being over the top, but IMO characters are what they are. Luke Cage is a black guy. Peter Parker is a white kid. Storm is a black chick. The Punisher is a white dude. There are a plethora of fictional characters of all races and genders and there are a plethora of actors who could fit those roles as they have been portrayed for years. Changing it to change it is just stupid in my opinion, especially when you're talking about changing the title character.

I just don't see the point, personally.

 

[S. Grundy]

All I really care about is if the person is a good actor, and in this hypothetical scenario, if they went with a black actor it wouldn't ruin the movie or character in any way, shape, or form. Like I said, I think it's short sighted to say that a good actor wouldn't/shouldn't be able to play a comic book character because they aren't white, absolutely nothing would change regarding the whys and the hows of the character.

 

[Kable24]

I remember the outrage when DB Sweeney was cast as Terry Fitzgerald for Spawn. People were pissed. People were pissed when MCD was cast as Kingpin even though he was perfect in the part.
I would think Punisher fans would be outraged if the character they have known since 1974 was changed to accommodate a certain actor. I know I would be. The movie would be PINO.

 

[grout]

Yeah it would throw me through a loop, not that race has anything to do with it at all. I have just been programed through comics and movies as seeing the Punisher a certain way I guess. Its almost like asking someone else to play the role of Shaft or something, it would be a little weird just because your not used to seeing it like that. But if they did cast Denzil for whatever reason I would probably still go see it

You know the dude that played Harvey Dent in Batman always reminds me of Thomas Jane. But Ray takes the cake in terms of comic to life apperance IMO

 

[metaphysician]

Two things. One, its *much* more dubious to change a non-white character to white than vice versa. I really shouldn't have to explain why.

Two, I think it really depends on the character. Some can be race lifted easily with little change, some can't. Daredevil, for instance, would be trivial; he could be black or hispanic and it wouldn't change anything. Spider-man, OTOH, would be dicier, because while he doesn't have to be white by concept, if he's a minority, suddenly his buzzard luck gains an undesired undertone of oppression.

 

[grout]

Two things. One, its *much* more dubious to change a non-white character to white than vice versa. I really shouldn't have to explain why.

Two, I think it really depends on the character. Some can be race lifted easily with little change, some can't. Daredevil, for instance, would be trivial; he could be black or hispanic and it wouldn't change anything. Spider-man, OTOH, would be dicier, because while he doesn't have to be white by concept, if he's a minority, suddenly his buzzard luck gains an undesired undertone of oppression.

I have no idea why I cannot stop laughing after reading this, just strikes me as funny for some reason.. LOL