Should they make another Punisher movie? - Part 2

[S. Grundy]

I remember the outrage when DB Sweeney was cast as Terry Fitzgerald for Spawn. People were pissed. People were pissed when MCD was cast as Kingpin even though he was perfect in the part.
I would think Punisher fans would be outraged if the character they have known since 1974 was changed to accommodate a certain actor. I know I would be. The movie would be PINO.

Well a lot of comic fans are ignorant babies that can't handle change (not to mention misogynistic), so it wouldn't be surprising. But to say it would be PINO is way off base, because it would be the same exact background for the character, minus his skin color.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Does that same logic apply to you as far as books, too? If, for instance, you were a huge Harry Potter fan and when making the film they cast a black kid as Harry for no apparent reason, that wouldn't bother you in the slightest?

And I don't want to make it seem like I'm talking exclusively about black people playing white characters, either. I'd feel the same way if they cast Ben Affleck as Alex Cross in the new movie or something. It'd be a stupid, unnecessary change. Just like changing Punisher's ethnicity.

While I don't necessarily think it would be "PINO," I don't think it's shortsighted or ignorant whatsoever, personally.

 

[Human Torch]

Does that same logic apply to you as far as books, too? If, for instance, you were a huge Harry Potter fan and when making the film they cast a black kid as Harry for no apparent reason, that wouldn't bother you in the slightest?

And I don't want to make it seem like I'm talking exclusively about black people playing white characters, either. I'd feel the same way if they cast Ben Affleck as Alex Cross in the new movie or something. It'd be a stupid, unnecessary change. Just like changing Punisher's ethnicity.

While I don't necessarily think it would be "PINO," I don't think it's shortsighted or ignorant whatsoever, personally.

I agree,entirely.

 

[S. Grundy]

Whatever, I just think that in the case of some comic characters, race doesn't matter when trying to adapt it for a film.

 

[American_Hobo]

I watched Tom Jane's dirty laundry video few days ago and I have to say that he really fits the role well.
Why not make another movie with Tom Jane?
I hated WarZone anyway...I thought Ray Stevenson was a miscast.

 

[Canadian Rider]

I was discussing this with some friends. Why are the FF4, Ghost Rider and Punisher all treated so poorly with their movie adaptations.

The Punisher should/could be an amazing film. Strange.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't think there is any pattern, actually. Fantastic Four gets treated poorly because nobody at Fox respects it. Ghost Rider gets treated poorly because Nicholas Cage is a huge fan, and thus it gets done Cage style ( whether this is a bad thing depends on whether you like Cage being gonzo or not ). And Punisher *was* treated good, IMO, in the 2004 movie, it just got mediocre marketing.

 

[Kable24]

I don't think there is any pattern, actually. Fantastic Four gets treated poorly because nobody at Fox respects it. Ghost Rider gets treated poorly because Nicholas Cage is a huge fan, and thus it gets done Cage style ( whether this is a bad thing depends on whether you like Cage being gonzo or not ). And Punisher *was* treated good, IMO, in the 2004 movie, it just got mediocre marketing.

I will add that it wasn't smart for Lionsgate to release The '04 Punisher up against Kill Bill. That was just plain stupid on their part. I think they made PWZ just to retain the rights. Who releases a violent "revenge" flick right before Christmas?

 

[grout]

I don't think there is any pattern, actually. Fantastic Four gets treated poorly because nobody at Fox respects it. Ghost Rider gets treated poorly because Nicholas Cage is a huge fan, and thus it gets done Cage style ( whether this is a bad thing depends on whether you like Cage being gonzo or not ). And Punisher *was* treated good, IMO, in the 2004 movie, it just got mediocre marketing.

Im not so sure about Punisher treated good, I believe 30 mil budget. If I remember right from the commentary it may have even been less. The director had to cut out some vital scences due to low buget. I do remember seeing it in the commercial preview run pretty good so I dont believe marketing was horrible.. To premiere with Kill Bill was just plain dumb, the DVD sales are proof of that.It may have caught on had that not been the case.

You could have not cut more corners then the 2004 Punisher in attempt to make it work budget wise. Just wiki it, it actualy gives some good details regarding budget.. 33 mill total, 15.5 of it going to direct shooting of the film. They almost pay an individual actor more then that these days for a film.

Overall it almost tells me that whoever was funding was thinking "I really dont care for it, but if you can make it work with this amount of $, then go ahead, i will take a minimum bet gamble" IMO.

At least it got made, but it does tell me that they were not 100% all in or backing it funding wise. Im still pissed the sequel did not happen!!

 

[Balthus Dire]

Both films fell victim to poorly planned release dates.

 

[KangConquers]

I'd wait until next decade to make a Punisher movie, if they ever do make another one. He's very low priority at this point.

 

[Human Torch]

To be honest,I think the best way to go at this point is to stick Punisher as a co-star to another Marvel hero.I think he'd do great in a Daredevil movie for example.

 

[KangConquers]

To be honest,I think the best way to go at this point is to stick Punisher as a co-star to another Marvel hero.I think he'd do great in a Daredevil movie for example.

I actually wouldn't mind seeing him in a reoccurring cameo role in street level MCU films, culminating with a relaunch of his own franchise.

 

[S. Grundy]

I will add that it wasn't smart for Lionsgate to release The '04 Punisher up against Kill Bill. That was just plain stupid on their part. I think they made PWZ just to retain the rights. Who releases a violent "revenge" flick right before Christmas?

That and the money from some German financiers was going to lapse, so they needed to make a movie before that happened.

 

[Slushy]

Why are the FF4, Ghost Rider and Punisher all treated so poorly with their movie adaptations.

Punisher suffered from having a lot of scenes cut out. As seen in Daredevil, watching the Extended version is like night and day.

 

[S. Grundy]

It's really the reverse, some of the scenes in the move should have been cut out. But the stuff added back in the extended cut should never have been cut out. The movie could be a lot leaner.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Punisher suffered from having a lot of scenes cut out. As seen in Daredevil, watching the Extended version is like night and day.

You know, I always hear people say this, but I've never really agreed. I own both the regular and directors cut of Daredevil and the only major change that I thought added to the movie was that Affleck doesn't forgo his duties as Daredevil just to bang Elektra, which was something I always thought was absolutely stupid in the regular version.

But, IMO, it still plays out like the same movie for the most part. It's not like there were huge plot changes to my recollection, but admittedly it's been years since I've watched it.

 

[S. Grundy]

There's this whole sub plot with Coolio's character that better sets up the Kingpin's downfall, it also gives Foggy some more things to do.

 

[Balthus Dire]

Yeah I remember that, I just didn't think it added much to the story. Even if one hates the movie for whatever reason, the story still functions and makes sense without that Coolio subplot. I just don't see how that drastically changed the majority of people's opinion on the movie.

Like, was that everyone's problem with DD in the first place? Not enough Coolio?

 

[Changeling]

I'd be most interested in a Punisher movie if Thomas Jane returned... make it happen Marvel

 

[grout]

I dont know, I honestly thought it was pretty cool to see those scences added in the 2004 Punisher. Especially the scene showing him confronting his cop friend and making him feel so guilty that he shot himself. Just kind of established more of what the Punisher is about in the sense he will not just come in guns blazing all the time.. Its about Punishment not just sheer revenge which is what really seperates out The Punisher.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Us here in the UK wouldnt know anything about The Punisher DC, we have never had it!

Marvel really needs to get Tom Jane signed up for another Punisher movie or a TV series, his was the most popular version of the character on the big screen, make it happen Marvel.

 

[zeptron]

I've always found it funny how The Punisher is the easiest character to adapt, yet his film adaptations are pretty hit, or miss. Frank Castle doesn't have any super powers, nor does he wear a bright, colorful costume. He's just an archetype for the 80's action hero who just happened to star out in a Spider-Man issue.

 

[Kable24]

If they would have used the black spandex with white boots and gloves it would have been FABULOUS!!!!

 

[Slushy]

Like, was that everyone's problem with DD in the first place?

The theatrical version felt a little more like a revenge movie than a true DD story. With the new murder subplot with Coolio, the movie gains new life and has more purpose. Everything makes more sense now like the Kingpin's reputation and his subsequent downfall. Plus the fight sequences are extended. It was like watching a DareDevil graphic novel.

I felt like I watched a whole different movie. A better movie. An awesome movie. Unfortunately, there's just too many Ben Affleck haters out there.

The irony is this comic book movie brought the dark, gritty, and "realistic" feeling to the genre two years before people were introduced to Nolan's version of Batman.

Re: Punisher

It's a controversial view with him. Many people feel he should just be a one-dimensional character shooting all sorts of mother****ers with a Uzi like he was Schwarzenegger (honestly, Lundgren did a much better job at doing this than Stevenson).

But I really enjoyed Jane's take of the character. He made Frank Castle tragic. Realistic. Human.