Sequels Should they reboot the X-Men films?

[zenith16]

I'm not sure I get what the problem is here. the shi'ar "aliens" the savage lands ala "juristic park" since the high evolutionary made the place, through his science and was a partner of mister sinister, and mojoworld "different dimensions" and the concept "time travel" are all sci-fi based and if most under stand star trek and other stuff in other movies they'll under stand these concepts. the point of mojo world was to show Exploitation they were other parts of of that but he represented it in the sense of how out there certain things like Jerry springer they just too the words "out there" literally in his case.

but Exploitation is supposed to be what the x-men fight against. all those things were used in stories that showed what the x-men stood for and fought against especially when they helped other people that reminded them of their own troubles/ struggles cause they were in similar situations.

same with the shi' ar


those stories were done to bring up social commentary issues in sci-fi setting much like other sci -fi in any medium is supposed to be done.


Especially seeing that professor X made the X-men to protect all of humanity from any threat ( which means all threats damn it) after facing the shadow king and guys like Lucifer the alien that crippled him and put him in wheel chair in the first place.

if any thing all those thing showing up give greater meaning to what the X-Men are doing and showing the rest of humanity they are there to help and protect their fellow humans as well want normal lives among them.


Just like how the x-men should add none mutant members to their team which would also give greater meaning to what they stand for as well.

Now though if you did what the rest of Hollywood does by saying adding " magic" Ala doctor strange and ghost rider but confusing what's used for "telepathy" which is supposed to sci-fi based in it, like the rest of holly wood does often in some areas. Cause the people that do that in Hollywood never under stood that is not a" magic based power."

Then I'd get that complaint. that's(magic) fantasy base. that why lord of the ring is considered fantasy. At Least the other stuff I just mentioned prior which is sci-fi actually has more of a chance of be coming real to a degree. concept wise. any way I agree with CB. the thing that made the marvel universe cool was variety and in the case of the x-men when they used that it always gave greater meaning in what they stood for. if you under stood how to use that concept of what I'm getting at right. that is. too bad fox and some people still don't get that yet. too much limited thinking there. and javi your not included in that latter "last" comment. i mean fox and the influence on that kind of thinking.

 

[returntovoid]

I'm not sure I get what the problem is here. the shi'ar "aliens" the savage lands ala "juristic park" since the high evolutionary made the place, through his science and was a partner of mister sinister, and mojoworld "different dimensions" and the concept "time travel" are all sci-fi based and if most under stand star trek and other stuff in other movies they'll under stand these concepts. the point of mojo world was to show Exploitation they were other parts of of that but he represented it in the sense of how out there certain things like Jerry springer they just too the words "out there" literally in his case.

but Exploitation is supposed to be what the x-men fight against. all those things were used in stories that showed what the x-men stood for and fought against especially when they helped other people that reminded them of their own troubles/ struggles cause they were in similar situations.

same with the shi' ar


those stories were done to bring up social commentary issues in sci-fi setting much like other sci -fi in any medium is supposed to be done.


Especially seeing that professor X made the X-men to protect all of humanity from any threat ( which means all threats damn it) after facing the shadow king and guys like Lucifer the alien that crippled him and put him in wheel chair in the first place.

if any thing all those thing showing up give greater meaning to what the X-Men are doing and showing the rest of humanity they are there to help and protect their fellow humans as well want normal lives among them.


Just like how the x-men should add none mutant members to their team which would also give greater meaning to what they stand for as well.

Now though if you did what the rest of Hollywood does by saying adding " magic" Ala doctor strange and ghost rider but confusing what's used for "telepathy" which is supposed to sci-fi based in it, like the rest of holly wood does often in some areas. Cause the people that do that in Hollywood never under stood that is not a" magic based power."

Then I'd get that complaint. that's(magic) fantasy base. that why lord of the ring is considered fantasy. At Least the other stuff I just mentioned prior which is sci-fi actually has more of a chance of be coming real to a degree. concept wise. any way I agree with CB. the thing that made the marvel universe cool was variety and in the case of the x-men when they used that it always gave greater meaning in what they stood for. if you under stood how to use that concept of what I'm getting at right. that is. too bad fox and some people still don't get that yet. too much limited thinking there. and javi your not included in that latter "last" comment. i mean fox and the influence on that kind of thinking.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[returntovoid]

Here's my 3 hour running time X-Men reboot quadrilogy idea.

X-Men: Children of the Atom

Act 1:

The original five X-Men consisting of Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Iceman, Angel and their new recruit Wolverine battling Magneto's Brotherhood consisting of Mastermind, Juggernaut, Sabretooth and Toad.

Act 2:

The X-Men battling the Sentinels created by Boliver Trask, it ends with Trask escaping and Beast, Iceman and Angel leaving the team.

X-Men: New Genesis

Act 1:

Cyclops, Jean Grey and Wolverine with their new recruits consisting of Storm, Nightcrawler, Colossus ending their battle with Boliver Trask, it ends with Jean's transformation into Phoenix.

Act 2:

The X-Men helping Lilandra battle her brother D'Ken in space.

X-Men: Dark Phoenix Rising

Act 1:

X-Men battling the Hellfire Club, it ends with Jean transformation into Dark Phoenix, attacking the X-Men and destroying Alien planets.

Act 2:

The Shiar want Dark Phoenix dead, it ends with Jean Grey commiting suicide as Dark Phoenix.

X-Men: Apocalypse

Story:

Jean Grey comes back but with the Phoenix Force seperated and the X-Men battling Apocalypse.

 

[returntovoid]

Andrew Kevin Walker deserves another shot at X-Men with the reboot, I think his rejected 1994 X-Men script is really good.

Here's the link to that rejected script.

http://www.moviescriptsource.com/movie-script.php?id=1

For those who don't want to read the script, here's a brief summary from Wikipedia.

Walker's draft involved Professor Xavier hiring Wolverine into the X-Men, which consists of Cyclops, Jean Grey, Iceman, Beast, and Angel. The Brotherhood of Mutants, which consisted of Magneto, Sabretooth, Toad, and the Blob, try to conquer New York City, while Henry Peter Gyrich and Bolivar Trask attack the X-Men with three 8 feet (2.4 m) tall Sentinels. The script focused on the rivalry between Wolverine and Cyclops, as well as the latter's self-doubt as a field leader. Part of the backstory invented for Magneto made him the cause of the Chernobyl disaster. The script also featured the X-Copter and the Danger Room.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I'm not sure I get what the problem is here. the shi'ar "aliens" the savage lands ala "juristic park" since the high evolutionary made the place, through his science and was a partner of mister sinister, and mojoworld "different dimensions" and the concept "time travel" are all sci-fi based and if most under stand star trek and other stuff in other movies they'll under stand these concepts. the point of mojo world was to show Exploitation they were other parts of of that but he represented it in the sense of how out there certain things like Jerry springer they just too the words "out there" literally in his case.

but Exploitation is supposed to be what the x-men fight against. all those things were used in stories that showed what the x-men stood for and fought against especially when they helped other people that reminded them of their own troubles/ struggles cause they were in similar situations.

same with the shi' ar


those stories were done to bring up social commentary issues in sci-fi setting much like other sci -fi in any medium is supposed to be done.


Especially seeing that professor X made the X-men to protect all of humanity from any threat ( which means all threats damn it) after facing the shadow king and guys like Lucifer the alien that crippled him and put him in wheel chair in the first place.

if any thing all those thing showing up give greater meaning to what the X-Men are doing and showing the rest of humanity they are there to help and protect their fellow humans as well want normal lives among them.


Just like how the x-men should add none mutant members to their team which would also give greater meaning to what they stand for as well.

Now though if you did what the rest of Hollywood does by saying adding " magic" Ala doctor strange and ghost rider but confusing what's used for "telepathy" which is supposed to sci-fi based in it, like the rest of holly wood does often in some areas. Cause the people that do that in Hollywood never under stood that is not a" magic based power."

Then I'd get that complaint. that's(magic) fantasy base. that why lord of the ring is considered fantasy. At Least the other stuff I just mentioned prior which is sci-fi actually has more of a chance of be coming real to a degree. concept wise. any way I agree with CB. the thing that made the marvel universe cool was variety and in the case of the x-men when they used that it always gave greater meaning in what they stood for. if you under stood how to use that concept of what I'm getting at right. that is. too bad fox and some people still don't get that yet. too much limited thinking there. and javi your not included in that latter "last" comment. i mean fox and the influence on that kind of thinking.

More and more comic book films (now that some franchises can) should go more out there, like Space and other sci-fi environments. It was understandable all these years ago why the X-men series couldn't, but now that Comic book films are a big genre now, I can't see why they can't introduce Shi' ar in the X-men series, or Brainiac/Darkseid in Superman.

 

[uchiha_itachi]

Who would be the villain in this though? Would Magneto be in it? Would it be their first battle vs him? Or do we want X-men (2000) to be the first encounter the team has with Eric?

Who are the other candidates?

Apocalypse is too big of a villain, I think, for them to handle as new students.

Mr. Sinister? Maybe.

Bastion- He could be used, but then why wouldn't there be any mention of sentinels in the trilogy?

Same goes with Trask, mastermold and Project "Wide Awake". Because there is no mention of the sentinels and Hank McCoy wouldn't work with Trask in the government after Trask openly tried to kill them.

Juggernaut- would have been a great villain. Do him right as Cain Marko, Charles' half brother. Make him attack the mansion- and terrorize New York...but how do explain why he doesn't remember the X-men in X3: The Last Stand? ....although, he had to get locked up at somepoint to be in that convoy.

Blob could make a return from X-Men Origins: Wolverine and be in the brother hood...

Same goes for Gambit as a mysterious anti-hero who might be a villain, or in the brother hood originally.

Introduce Avalanche. Have him, Toad, Quicksilver, Mystique, Blob and Gambit make up the brotherhood.

Maybe use the Morlocks as the villains?

The Hellfire Club, didn't we see Sabastian Shaw in X-men (2000), and Emma Frost is in X-Men Origins: Wolverine.

I don't know how they would do it. Probably just the brotherhood like most of the good "X-men Evolution" Stories. If the film were handled like that show, we'd be in good shape.

-R

did we??

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Andrew Kevin Walker deserves another shot at X-Men with the reboot, I think his rejected 1994 X-Men script is really good.

Here's the link to that rejected script.

http://www.moviescriptsource.com/movie-script.php?id=1

For those who don't want to read the script, here's a brief summary from Wikipedia.

I just read that script and I gotta say, its pretty amazing. That is how the xmen should be done, just make a few revisions and modernize it a bit.

 

[returntovoid]

just make a few revisions and modernize it a bit.

Yeah, I think some of the dialogues and Blob crying, to name a few.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

But to note some good things on the script that were intereting little tidbits, I really like how cyclops was unconfident in being a leader. It showed that he and the team were young and still needed some growing up. Cyclops was too robotic in xmen 1, imo it didn't feel like cyclops to me.

I liked the part were sabertooth was in the small restraunt and he ordered the raw steak, I thought that was exteremly clever.

I liked wolverine's attitude. It was the true wolverine that fans have yet to see on the big screen, I like jackman and his take on wolvie, but its just not like the one from this script.

 

[returntovoid]

I really like how cyclops was unconfident in being a leader. It showed that he and the team were young and still needed some growing up. Cyclops was too robotic in xmen 1, imo it didn't feel like cyclops to me.

Yeah, Andrew Kevin Walker gave justice to the character of Cyclops in the script unlike how Bryan Singer treated the character.

I liked wolverine's attitude. It was the true wolverine that fans have yet to see on the big screen, I like jackman and his take on wolvie, but its just not like the one from this script.

I couldn't agree more. Wolverines attitude was done subtly by Hugh Jackman with the guidance of Bryan Singer in X1 and X2, although the mansion rampage scene and the bar fight opening was the closest it got to the attitude.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Yeah, in the script he's got a nasty attitude 24/7

 

[returntovoid]

So, how would you reboot the X-Men films, Gamma Goliath???

 

[Gamma Goliath]

First I'd plan for maybe 4 movies. The first one being just about the true first class, and how they intend on coping with a prejudice society, and the insane terrorist known as the brorther hood. Also small details like beast's apperance would be human looking.
My active brother hood members would be:

magneto
Quicksilver
Scarlett which
Toad
Mastermind
Polaris (inactive, too young for battle).

Then I'd adapt the script we've been discussing into the second movie. But I'd also add forge and banshee to the team as a small cameo. Beast would now have animal like appearance.

For the third movie I'd begin to adapt jean's problems and the the emergance of the dark phoenix. But also bring in new xmen like storm, nightcrawler, and colossus.
I'd also have mr.sinister show up and begin his experimentation on angel, I'd also have him capture beast and later transform him into the dark beast to set for the fourth movie.

Last but deffinatly not least we have the rise and fall of apocalypse. And the introduction of bishop and cable. Of course cable would come from far within the future to stop apacalypse from rising to power. We'd also see the existing brotherhood teamup with the xmen temporarily.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

 

[returntovoid]

Nice reboot idea's there.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

What would you do for the costuming ?

For the first movie I'd obviously do the current first class costumes being used in the first class comics, but I might change the black to a dark blue.

For the second movie I'd do the second wave of first class costumes, changing the yellow on beast, to red. Also with wolverine appearing in this one, I'd go ahead and give em the brown and yellow.

For the third movie, I'd go with nothing but 90s outfit but of course with the modern twist.

In the last movie the new astonishing suits.

 

[Spider-Vader]

Not until Marvel gets the rights back which, unless the next Fox X-Men movie is good & makes alot of money, should be in 15 years because if another X-Men movie performs like Wolverine (or worse) I think Fox will give up, unless they're really desperate.

 

[returntovoid]

What would you do for the costuming ?

In the first film, I'd give them these unified costumes and Wolverine would wear his brown and tan costume which could be a gift from his Japanese Sensei who taught him the way of the Ninja and Samurai. Also, Wolverine should hate the unified costumes.

I'd go with nothing but 90s outfit but of course with the modern twist.

I'd permanently give them all the 90's costumes in the rest of the series. While, Wolverine wears the same brown and tan costume.

Also, Jim Lee should be hired as costume designer, it would be interesting how he translates his own designs on film.

 

[CB Fan]

First I'd plan for maybe 4 movies. The first one being just about the true first class, and how they intend on coping with a prejudice society, and the insane terrorist known as the brorther hood. Also small details like beast's apperance would be human looking.
My active brother hood members would be:

magneto
Quicksilver
Scarlett which
Toad
Mastermind
Polaris (inactive, too young for battle).

Then I'd adapt the script we've been discussing into the second movie. But I'd also add forge and banshee to the team as a small cameo. Beast would now have animal like appearance.

For the third movie I'd begin to adapt jean's problems and the the emergance of the dark phoenix. But also bring in new xmen like storm, nightcrawler, and colossus.
I'd also have mr.sinister show up and begin his experimentation on angel, I'd also have him capture beast and later transform him into the dark beast to set for the fourth movie.

Last but deffinatly not least we have the rise and fall of apocalypse. And the introduction of bishop and cable. Of course cable would come from far within the future to stop apacalypse from rising to power. We'd also see the existing brotherhood teamup with the xmen temporarily.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

I like the idea but I would add/change these things:

Add mystique into the Brotherhood simply because she is popular and movie goers/Comic Fans who have seen X1,X2, and X3 will want to see her even if it is a reboot.
Add Storm in the second movie to develop a sister/sister relationship with Jean and so that there can be two girls at least.
Start Jeans transformation into pheonix in the second movie follow up with her being pheonix in the third movie.
Have apocalypse in the fourth movie
Develop Pheonix's own obsession with power in the fourth movie.
Then instead of four movies go for fifth and have The Dark Pheonix end the series with a bang.

And For every movie: Kick that Reality S$@t Singer was trying to feed us out the door, Fantasy is the only way to go with The X-Men in my opinion...

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

And For every movie: Kick that Reality S$@t Singer was trying to feed us out the door, Fantasy is the only way to go with The X-Men in my opinion...

Yes! I really hope they actually go with some fantasy in it. Though I'll be honest, I think the reason they went with Bryan Singer and why he wanted reality was because of the times.

Comic book Superhero films were just getting back on the map with Blade after Batman and Robin nearly destroyed the genre. They needed to go with something that'll appeal the general audience.

Now that they have this freedom and flexibility again, they go a little out there again.

 

[returntovoid]

Peter Jackson would be the right director for the X-Men reboot, he would definitely bring in the fantasy elements from the comic books, keep them 3 hours long and give them an epic feel. Guillermo del Toro would be a good choice as well.

 

[CB Fan]

^ I don't know if I want a 3 hour long film,LOL. But it would be interesting to see what PJ could do with X-Men films, Im guessing make something epic.
Del Toro with the morlocks would be classic, he seems to have a knack for characters like them.
James Cameron would be good as well his Avatar project is really sounding like something beyond special.

 

[returntovoid]

^ I don't know if I want a 3 hour long film,LOL.

There are long epic stories from the comic books to tell and ensemble cast of character that need equal screentime/character development.

That's mainly why I'm very enthusiastic for it to be 3 hours long.

 

[Project862006]

that is just too damn long split it into 3 2 hour films

 

[Shaolin Kenobi]

Peter Jackson... Interesting suggestion. I'd be into seeing what he could pull off.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm not too sure on jackson for the xmen, I could see him doing maybe the silver surfer, or possibly dr. Strange