right but imagine if it wasn't even though the movie was phenomenal when u read the graphic novels and how dark and grim they are The Dark Knight doesn't come close. to be honest i think once they have cater to the younger audiences with all the mainstream superheroes they should reboot them all with an R rating and just go all out bloody, gorey darker and more intense. imagine if they made Wolverine like the video game. i would like to see Joker kill in the most goriest of ways to paint the silver screen red with his Joker gadgets. they only thing we got close to that was Jack Nicholson with the electric buzzer. one of my favorite Joker scenes from the 1989 movie.