SM3 Lizard Discussion

[Kipobe]

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Lizard in 3!

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Dr. Bromwell
I'm wondering if a lizard/spidey fight scene in daylight could be done. A character like that has never been done (well) in daylight.

watch Jurassic Park. If it can be done very well in 1993, it can be done even better in 2007.

 

[Dr. Bromwell]

Are we talking a Lizard with Human Characteristics? Or just a big lizard like the MTV iguana lookin' thing?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Dr. Bromwell
Are we talking a Lizard with Human Characteristics? Or just a big lizard like the MTV iguana lookin' thing?

we're talking about humanoid lizard. that mtv lizard (and ultimate) is crap. but even still. the dinosaurs were CGI and extremely well done for their time. so we can easily make a humanoid lizard from the current cgi tech. and make it look realistic.

 

[Figma]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
so we can easily make a humanoid lizard from the current cgi tech. and make it look realistic.

--So, let me get this straight... make a HUMANOID LIZARD look REALISTIC. I think that's a contradiction. LOL. Since none of us know what one REALLY looks like, I'm sure no matter what they do, I doubt anyone will be convinced.

~ Figma

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Figma
--So, let me get this straight... make a HUMANOID LIZARD look REALISTIC. I think that's a contradiction. LOL. Since none of us know what one REALLY looks like, I'm sure no matter what they do, I doubt anyone will be convinced.

~ Figma

read a recent issue of sm with lizard to see wut a humanoid lizard should look like. dont be such a pecimist.

 

[Figma]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
read a recent issue of sm with lizard to see wut a humanoid lizard should look like. dont be such a pecimist.

Was it painted by Alex Ross? I'm just messing with ya. Witness another smilie.

~ Figma

 

[Leprechaun9]

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Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
watch Jurassic Park. If it can be done very well in 1993, it can be done even better in 2007.
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Well said.

 

[Boom]

I don't think the audience will care, just as long as the movie is good, and the villain is good.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid
I don't think the audience will care, just as long as the movie is good, and the villain is good.

and the villian has to look cool too.

 

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
You nailed it Dude!

And its like you've read the rough draft of my fanfic.

Heh. The similarites are actually startling.

I can definitely imagine the image of Dylan Baker looking into the mirror, hair thinning and skin slowly becoming scratchy, rough and scaley... there's something vaguely reptillian about his face.

 

[DACrowe]

Well if science go awry is the only redundant thing in the Spidey franchise I'm cool with that...considering audiences will see movies like Bad Boys and Fast and the Furious repeat as long as he looks cool and adds a little variety (and he would move and look and do things quite different from Otto and Norman and his experiment can be much different than their's too) they won't care.

See my thread on how he should transform.

We should gets hints of a stressed out and semi-crazy Curt halfway through who should just disappear, and then when Spidey defeats Lizard (well no Lizard defeats Spidey rather and breaks his arm) Spidey finds out from Martha in a flashback about the late stages of the transformation.

And the early ones could include Peter checking if he is okay and Curt chasing him out and then an arm slips out from being hidden in the coat after Peat leaves and Curt removes the glove and the hand is green and he grits his teeth and injects himself with something...

Then in the flashbacks he comes home normal and reveals his arm to a shocked and scared Martha but it is human looking and he seems to have controlled it but that night he gets out of bed and looks in the mirror in the bathroom. His face is green and scaly he looks at his arms they are too. He scares his own family out of his house. In fear and anguish he gets dressed, his eyes are now red and he is wandering the streets hoping nobody sees him. A gang member (I say Bruce Campbell should play this part) is a smartass as he tries to mug Curt and lifts the hat to see an even more disformed Curt. Curt grabs and tosses the guy through (as in smashing it in half) a street lamp. This is behind them.

A gang circles Curt in disgust and taunt him before they start jumping him. As they dog pile him Curt's head comes out his eyes glaze over with fury. He sinks his fangs (that just grew out) into the neck of one of his attackers. A gang member stabs Curt in the back with a knife just then a tail whips out under the crowd and knocks the stabee through the wall of the alley they are in. He goes through and into the building most likely dead, but we never know for sure. The others run as the Lizard (without the snout but he is growing bigger, the snout will come later this is the 60's version) lets go of its prey in his mouth as the hairs fall out completely and the Lizard sees a gutter as it begins to rain and he craws into it.

The next time we see him is when a sewer worker sees red eyes and glimmering fangs coming near him and then again when Spidey sees the tail chasing something in the sewers and again in Curt's lab is our first real look at him, and he should look like McFarlen's Lizard in Torment maybe a little bit more like his 30th anniversary issue incarnation. Either way that is his look and y'all should and I note SHOULD know my story from there.

 

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by DACrowe

Then in the flashbacks he comes home normal and reveals his arm to a shocked and scared Martha but it is human looking and he seems to have controlled it but that night he gets out of bed and looks in the mirror in the bathroom. His face is green and scaly he looks at his arms they are too. He scares his own family out of his house. In fear and anguish he gets dressed, his eyes are now red and he is wandering the streets hoping nobody sees him. A gang member (I say Bruce Campbell should play this part) is a smartass as he tries to mug Curt and lifts the hat to see an even more disformed Curt. Curt grabs and tosses the guy through (as in smashing it in half) a street lamp. This is behind them.

A gang circles Curt in disgust and taunt him before they start jumping him.

Again... more similarities. I like your ideas.

I also used flashbacks, but I have Spidey putting the pieces together in 2 parts. One, through talks with Martha about his history and how he lost his arm, and the time spent in the swamps "studying". Two, after Connors turns savage and goes underground., Spidey discovers some of Connors' notes and learns how he had experimented on himself and lizard specimens to put 2 and 2 together.

I also have Lizzy breaking bad on a band of punks. BUt I had a guilty COnnors leaving the house on his own instead of scaring his wife and child away.

I've read your stuff DA, and I especially like the subway train idea. Very good.

 

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Spidey-Boy523
watch Jurassic Park. If it can be done very well in 1993, it can be done even better in 2007.

You took the words right outta my mouth.

Originally posted by Dr.Dude

Obviously he'd have to transform slightly faster and differently than Seth Brundle(The Fly) did, or else Spider-Man would only be able to fight Lizzy once at the end, but that's obvious.

Good point, and its why the use of a second/supporting villain could help the story along while Connors is "slipping away."

 

[The Lizard]

As far as a CGI Lizard goes, I have a few thoughts - some repetative, of course.

I'll admit that there are certain FX companies that I'd REALLY like to see do the Lizard CGI that won't be used by Sony, unfortunately (WETA and Centropolis come to mind). However, there has indeed been enough improvement in the CGI between Spidey 1 and Spidey 2 that I'm quite optimistic that the next 2 years will bring even better improvements in what Sony can do.

Also, the successful blend of prosthetics and CGI seen in the closeups of Ock's tentacles shows that an equally successful blend of similar Lizard FX is possible. We definitely need to see some close-up scenes where a non-CGI Spidey is grappling with a non-CGI Lizard. I want to see some real sharp teeth and real Lizard drool in Spidey's face!

 

[maico]

Originally posted by The Lizard
I want to see some real sharp teeth and real Lizard drool in Spidey's face!

cool!!!

 

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by arachnid-kid

Ted Raimi: "What is it?"
Sam: "It's a crate of lizards, dressed up in little white coats."

 

[Boom]

Splendid. I'll build the crate .

 

[Spidey-Bat]

i'll pay for the postage

 

[Dr.Dude]

Nothing really important, but a little interesting...

http://www.comics2film.com/FanFrame.php?f_id=8423

So just who will be next? Peter Parker’s best friend Harry Osborn is a good bet (he ultimately succeeds his father as the Green Goblin), as is Mary Jane’s astronaut fiancé (who becomes Man-Wolf). However it won’t have escaped the attention of fans that among the characters in Spider-Man 2 is Parker’s one-armed physics professor Dr Kurt( ) Connors. Might he try to regenerate his missing appendage – as he did in the comic books – and mutate into The Lizard?

“Well, that’s a great question,” beams Raimi. “I don’t want to give you the answer though because I don’t want to spoil what we’re working on for the third picture … But we put him in this one for that possibility.”

 

[Spidey-Bat]

wut kind of idiots think Man-Wolf will appear?

 

[Advocate05]

The ones that know Rami is following the first 10 years of the Spiderman comic and not the current Ultimates or 80's run of the Spiderman franchise.

 

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle

Now THAT'S what I call a chorus line!

 

[Stifmeister]

i hope that Lizard is gonna be in Spider-Man 3 but i dont think so i think that Harry is gonna be the new Goblin SPIDER_MAN RULES

 

[The Lizard]

Of course, we have several different artists' visions of what Lizard should look like that have been presented over the years.

Which one will be the closest to the movie-version Lizzy? Will any of them be close at all?

I'll post some pics of the basic major changes in Lizard design we've seen over the last 40 years, and you can decide for yourself which has the most potential, or which elements you prefer.


1. Ditko-style Lizard

Recolored Ditko art- 1963

1967 Spider-Man cartoon

Ron Frenz - 1996

The original version of the Lizard, as drawn in Amazing Spider-Man #6 from 1963. Artist and creator Steve Ditko gave Lizzy his familiar labcoat and purple pants, but drew his head to look somewhat humanoid. If you flip through ASM #6 (or a reprint), you'll notice that in some panels Lizzy's snout is bigger than in others, but for the most part, this style is remembered as the "flat-faced" Lizard.

Lizzy was also depicted in this style in his first animated appearance, the 1967 Spidey episode "Where Crawls the Lizard."