SM3 Lizard Discussion

[The Lizard]

2. Traditional-style Lizard

John Romita - 1960's

John Romita - 1970's

Todd McFarlane - 1980's

Animated Series- 1990's

Art Asylum Lizard bust - 2001

This is the basic version of the Lizard that most comic and cartoon fans are familiar with, and associate with the "traditional" depiction of the character.

When John Romita drew the second Lizard story in 1967's ASM #44-45, he added a longer more lizardlike snout to Lizzy, as well as the familiar rips on the pants.

In the 1970's, artist Gil Kane added more pronounced claws and teeth (most clearly seen in a Marvel Team-Up #19 panel from 1974), thus giving comics fans the familiar Lizard traits that would remain pretty constant over the next 20+ years.

Some minor variations existed from artist to artist (for example: Ross Andru's pointy-nosed Lizard in ASM #165-166, Mike Zeck's bug-eyed Lizard from Secret Wars, Todd McFarlane's toothy alien-like Lizard from Spider-Man #1-5, and Alex Saviuk's bulky muscular Lizard from Web of Spider-Man #111), but the basic Lizard design remained familiar, and this image is still what most quickly comes to mind when one thinks of the Lizard.

 

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by The Lizard


Which one will be the closest to the movie-version Lizzy? Will any of them be close at all?

The way I see it, they can utulize elements of several of the "looks" as Connors SLOWLY transforms.

For example, in the beginning, just as effects of the serum are beginning to take over, they could use the Ditko-ish look, with the "humanoid" face, and in full clothing (including THE lab coat ).

We see him "progress" in to a larger and more lizardish form wearing rags.

And finally, we get a completely animalistic and mindless ( but bipedal ) monster with the Macfarlane head. (heh heh, that'd actually be funny... a lizard with Tod macfarlane's head )

Someone said you could "shrink down the Sony Godzilla and you'd have it". Lose the things on the back and actually I don't think thats a bad idea (as long as we've alrady seen the various other stages of progression by that point). I could live with it.

 

[Agent Thermal]

They could make it somewhat like "The Fly," only, with a bit less emotion and more action, considering that it's a SPIDERMAN movie...like War Eagle says, it could be a SLOW transformation, just like in "The Fly." That's what I meant.

 

[The Lizard]

3. Ultimate-version Lizard

I had to use the action figure pic for this version, since there aren't a lot of panels from Ultimate Team-Up #10 or Ultimate Spider-Man #60 out there right now.

This Ultimate Universe Lizard resembles a "basilisk" lizard, with fins and an angular head. There are some tatters of clothes and pants, but not necessarily a full lab coat. Skin is grey and legs are more lizardlike than human.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Edited: Originally had the Ultimate Lizard pic which can be see above

 

[The Lizard]

Thanks, dude.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Thanks, dude.

ur welcome

 

[The Lizard]

4. Lizard-clone

Spider-Man Super Special #1, 1995

Prime # Infinity, 1995

Just like Spider-Man himself, the Lizard had a disappointing clone-related storyline in the mid-1990's that is best forgotten. A large, brainless, beastial Hulk-like Lizard was introduced as part of a Scarlet-Spider storyline in 1995, and it was assumed that the new creature was a further mutated version of Curt Connors. However, it was revealed in a 1996 Spectacular Spider-Man storyline that the "Lizard II" was actually a clone of sorts, grown from a piece of the true Lizard's tail. The real Lizard killed the Lizard clone, leaving nothing of that storyline behind except the muscular, finned Lizard designs you see above.

 

[The Lizard]

5. MTV Spider-Man animated version Lizard

Sort of a blending of Ultimate Lizard, the Lizard-clone, and a healthy dose of Velociraptor, the design for the CGI animated Lizard by Adelaide Productions and Mainframe Entertainment represents a very bestial and dinosaurian version.

 

[Agent Thermal]

I personally believe that a good mixture of the Todd McFarlane design and the MTV design would be IDEAL for a live-action movie - but, of course, that's my opinion.

 

[The Green Goblin]

Oh mighty Lizard, (<---- )

could you please translate "NNGYEEE!" for us?

 

[Agent Thermal]

I think it's his form of a grunt...if you actually WANTED to know what it was, instead of joking...

Good point about that - I was wondering the same myself.

 

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle
Oh mighty Lizard, (<---- )

could you please translate "NNGYEEE!" for us?

Well, it's actually "NNGYEEEH!", and I believe it roughly translates to "I am a lame mid-90's plot device, and deserve to die immediately!" - or something along those lines.

 

[Agent Thermal]

I wanna learn that language! It's so conservative - an entire sentence in two syllables - I need an English/Lizard Dictionary...

Nice one, "The Lizard."

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by The Lizard
5. MTV Spider-Man animated version Lizard

Worst. Lizard art. Ever

 

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by The Lizard
Well, it's actually "NNGYEEEH!", and I believe it roughly translates to "I am a lame mid-90's plot device, and deserve to die immediately!" - or something along those lines.

I knew there was a deeper meaning.

There you have it ladies and gentlemen. Be sure and tune in for tomorrow's episode of Ask The Lizard.

 

[The Lizard]

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Originally posted by War Eagle
The way I see it, they can utulize elements of several of the "looks" as Connors SLOWLY transforms.

And, once again - you are correct sir.

 

[SLYspyda]

i want the lizard to look like the Romita70's , 90's cartoon, and art asylum versions.

after seeing SM2, im beginning to see lizard as a villain the movie, but he'll need another one also who is all bad, as much as i hate it, it's going to be GG2.

and keep in mind guys, it's easier to make CGI of non-human models look real. like animals, venom's face, robots, e.t.c. so CGI lizard is no problem at all

 

[SLYspyda]

they are going to try and make the lizard as different from the hulk as possible. so we might not see the immediate transformation at times of stress, if we do, it'll only be once.

 

[Casius--J]

Nah lizzards ok but i'm not sure if he can carry a film on his own, cause he just squeels!

 

[Golgo-13]

The lizard can hold down a movie!
It'll be a nice change in pace to see spidey battle a villain as savage and primal as the lizard. A villan that can't be reasoned with or can't be manipulated. The lizard is indeed one of my favorite spidey villans.

 

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
The way I see it, they can utulize elements of several of the "looks" as Connors SLOWLY transforms.

Ditto. A Ditko-esque Lizard is the obvious starting point, and I'd have that evolve to eventually ending up as a sort of combination of the McFarlane design and the MTV-show Lizard...but please, no fins. And while the labcoat can eventually get torn off or something, I'd really prefer that he doesn't lose his pants and spawn all kinds of creepy imagery...

But honestly, I'd be happy with any of the above Lizard-designs, with the one glaring exception of the crappy Lizard-clone. Besides the fact that seeing pictures of it stirs up extremely bad memories, it has fins that honestly look exactly like wings. Which just looks incredibly off.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

i think by the mid-end to end of the movie, lizard should look like this

its the McFarlane version with a little MTV (w/o fins) in it.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Should the Lizard get his arm cut off at the end of the movie somehow,then we see Dr. Connors with no arms?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by GoldGoblin
Should the Lizard get his arm cut off at the end of the movie somehow,then we see Dr. Connors with no arms?

why?