The Dark Knight Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs

[Cyrusbales]

The joker's really a woman! of course, it makes sense now!

 

[CFE]

It's a very clever metaphor IMO, good eye BubbaGump...

It makes sense that Joker's sensibility could be related to storybook characters. That way it's not as obvious as if they did so with the Mad Hatter.

CFE

 

[ShadowoftheBird]

I'm not sure if I should find it fascinating or disturbing that BubbaGump is tying together all the loose ends of a movie he hasn't seen.

BubbaGump is half Sherlock Holmes, half Nostradamus, and possibly psychotic.

 

[strikezone89]

sorry but what's the point of this thread?

 

[CFE]

sorry but what's the point of this thread?

To save us from boredom and keep our minds off the fact that virtually no news is coming in and possibly won't be until December.

CFE

 

[BubbaGump]

Just opened this thread a couple minutes ago and I happened to be cleaning out a backpack this afternoon and remembered I had this from the Why So Serious challenge.

Which Dwarf am I?

The LSD dwarf?

snow white ... perma white. i buy it 1000% . you are a genius .

Why, thank you.

I'm very impressed by you're detective work, sir, and you get my certified thumbs up. In one of the original tellings of the snow white myth (which didn't contain any dwarves), Snow White's mouth was smeared by blood by the queen as an attempt to frame her for eating her own children (this connects us with that brilliant 'eating newborn's heads' thread). Could this be the connection with the infamous 'Glasgow smile'?
Secondly, there's a bit in the early tellings I think you may find interesting; "The huntsman took Snow White into the forest, but found himself unable to kill the girl. Instead, he let her go, and brought the queen the heart of a young deer or a pig." Remember the decoy?
Thirdly, of the seven dwarves of the later versions, could they be representive of the ill's that are plagueing Gotham?
Theorising is fun, but chances are the symbolism was unintentional.

EDIT: Maybe the coffin is Arkham. The witch Crane? Comparing the Joker to a woman who's always being kissed, or in some versions, raped, is getting sort of ridiculous.

Of course half the time symbolism is unintentional. That's the fun of theorizing.

i was gonna make a reference to Little Red Riding Hood being eerily similar to The Red Hood, but have decided to refrain.

Good.

hmm well, everything else aside, I like the idea that the huntsman is Batman, unable to kill Joker XD

I never thought of it that way. Good chap.

 

[BubbaGump]

Originally posted by Luchastyle
the entire movie isn't necessarily snow white, but perhaps the joker aspect is. so there may be no prince charming. because prince charming freed snow white from the evil spell. so, i don't know. perhaps joker is his own prince charming. pre-joker is snow white, and joker is prince charming. he saves himself.

Of course the entire movie isn't going to be about Snow White. The entire perma-white aspect is probably hinted strongly by the dwarf henchmen, which may be the entire point of the masks (throw away the Queen, hunter references, etc).

The joker's really a woman! of course, it makes sense now!

Wtf. Don't go spoiling the twist!

It's a very clever metaphor IMO, good eye BubbaGump...

It makes sense that Joker's sensibility could be related to storybook characters. That way it's not as obvious as if they did so with the Mad Hatter.

CFE

Thanks, CFE.

I'm not sure if I should find it fascinating or disturbing that BubbaGump is tying together all the loose ends of a movie he hasn't seen.

BubbaGump is half Sherlock Holmes, half Nostradamus, and possibly psychotic.

a) You should find it disturbing.

b) Only the third option applies.

sorry but what's the point of this thread?

What's the point of YOU being in this thread? Ohhh burn.

 

[Reek]

Sal also puts Batman into a deep sleep, where only Joker can kiss him to wake him up...then they go on a magic carpet ride and alfred becomes a blue genie, comissioner gordon and two-face sing akuna matata walking into the sunset.

 

[Boom]

The picture of The Joker through the mirror confuses the **** out of me to this day.

-In the set pictures, Heath's hair is brown (with a very slight hint of green). His skin is also normal toned. This can also be seen in the picture of the goon pointing his gun at Mr. J.
-The bank robbery scene was shot in April, and is one of the scenes to implement the IMAX camera ('Joker's Reveal' scene).
-In the official photo, he clearly has all of The Joker's attributes.

WHAT. THE. ****.

Some people say that there are two bank robbery scenes, but I disagree. We know that the bank robbery scene was shot before everything else, and that it was shot with an IMAX camera, and that this was The Joker's grand reveal. We also know that when this scene was shot, The Joker enters the building with brown hair and normal skin.

I'm personally leaning toward The Joker applying makeup, but this picture is the only thing that gives hope to permawhite, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

true, he wears the same shirt and jacket in the one through the mirror pic, but full make up and green hair.
In the other pictures you dont see his eyes painted black under the mask and his hair isn't green yet, but will be known as the joker from the begining...so how does this gonna work i ask myself? if he would be perma-white he colors only his eyes and hair? not very logical to me. Does he applyes makeup while robbing the bank? wheres the time for that? does he appear after the robbery scene as the joker we all know or during it? maybe while they getting chased after the robbery he flies through the window of his car and there he gets his cuts from it and since then he decides that he wont need any mask again ...only a bit makeup....

 

[CaptainClown]

or its a decoy/fake picture.

 

[Eggyman]

The Joker reveal picture, where we see Nolan with an IMAX cam, confuses me too. We can all come up with explanations for it, just so we can sleep easy, but let's be honest -- all our reasons are quite thin and patchy.

Isn't that pic through the mirror supposed to be where he reveals himself to the bank manager? It might not be, but I can just imagine Joker leaning over the desk, face to face with the manager -- imposing and insane.

PS, bubba -- love the idea, only if played subtly; people should be able to enjoy little things like your idea if they spot them, and if they don't notice it doesn't matter.

 

[Mr. Socko]

The picture of The Joker through the mirror confuses the **** out of me to this day.

-In the set pictures, Heath's hair is brown (with a very slight hint of green). His skin is also normal toned. This can also be seen in the picture of the goon pointing his gun at Mr. J.
-The bank robbery scene was shot in April, and is one of the scenes to implement the IMAX camera ('Joker's Reveal' scene).
-In the official photo, he clearly has all of The Joker's attributes.

WHAT. THE. ****.

Some people say that there are two bank robbery scenes, but I disagree. We know that the bank robbery scene was shot before everything else, and that it was shot with an IMAX camera, and that this was The Joker's grand reveal. We also know that when this scene was shot, The Joker enters the building with brown hair and normal skin.

I'm personally leaning toward The Joker applying makeup, but this picture is the only thing that gives hope to permawhite, as far as I'm concerned.

I agree, that's definitely the most confusing picture. Let's say there's only one bank scene and Joker IS indeed perma-white. How can the scene play out? He walks into the bank, goes into the restroom, rubs the flesh toned makeup off then applies black circles around his eyes and dyes his hair partially green then gets out and kills the manager? And if he's flesh toned then he goes into the restroom and applies all of that plus the white face.

Judging from the pics we've seen, I have no clue how it could really work. It's too confusing. Whether he is perma-white or flesh toned, either of them require him to make a cosmetic change in the bank as we know the horribly colored hair and black circles are indeed makeup Joker apply on himself.

 

[HopeOfTheFuture]

It's common knowledge by now that Joker and his goons wear clown masks, each represented as one of the seven dwarfs (Happy, Dopey, Grumpy...). As far as we know, the masks are worn during the bank robbery sequence as well as the scene at Bruce Wayne's penthouse.

However, could there be a deeper meaning to the masks? Could they play an important part in the story--even as a symbolic device? Is Joker really permawhite?

In the tradition of SuperHeroHype over-analysis, I present to you...

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: Yet Another BubbaGump Theory Thread (How does he come up with these things??)

Lovely theory!! Didn't Michael Caine say something about Dwarfes in an interview?

 

[BatoutofHell]

Lovely theory!! Didn't Michael Caine say something about Dwarfes in an interview?

"he and seven dwarfs and...oh, wait till you see them"

 

[Argyle of Sock]

That's a great theory! How come no one has seen this before? It actually reminds me of Lost, and how it's always referring to, and drawing parallels with, classic literature.

 

[bkey]

I'm starting to think that this Bank Robbery scene might be more than meets the eyes. I think theres a lot more going on there than we know so far. Could turn out to be one of the best scenes in the movie. After seeing Nolan's other films, like Prestige, I could see him making this a really incredible, and maybe very creepy scene. I mean, if it is indeed Joker's reveal, than I'm sure that we wont be disappointed.

 

[Boom]

true, he wears the same shirt and jacket in the one through the mirror pic, but full make up and green hair.

Exactly. He's wearing the exact same outfit as in the set photos.

It has to be the same scene.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

guess it will be a great scene too yeah fun stuff.....but the question remains ,how is he turning into what we wanna to see? those the flesh tone make up getting away while swetting and reveals the black eyes and white skin? ok maybe ....but what about his hair then? thats so confusing....

 

[Argyle of Sock]

If only I invested as much time and thought into my schoolwork as I do into trying to figure out this movie. *Sigh*

 

[Joe-ker]

Ok, I had to speak up on this one because I think we might be missing a very obvious possibility (unless of course this has been mentioned before and I missed it): Perhaps Mr. J is the one pulling a gun on a "look-a-like" goon, instead of the other way around. The "gunman" in the picture is too blurry to really make him out... That would explain why we don't see makeup under the mask that is in the foreground... because it's really on the man in the background.

Just a thought...

 

[Luchastyle]

but the clothes. there are spy pictures of heath wearing the clothes of the man in the front. PLUS the mask is like an homage to a pagliacci mask the joker wore in the batman 60s TV series. so it is very unlikely that the man in the back is the joker. because the man in the front is the joker. the clothes, the mask, the one in the front pretty much has to be the joker.

 

[Hole Shot]

Ok, I had to speak up on this one because I think we might be missing a very obvious possibility (unless of course this has been mentioned before and I missed it): Perhaps Mr. J is the one pulling a gun on a "look-a-like" goon, instead of the other way around. The "gunman" in the picture is too blurry to really make him out... That would explain why we don't see makeup under the mask that is in the foreground... because it's really on the man in the background.

Just a thought...

It's definitely Heath in the foreground, the shots of him without his mask in between takes wearing the same clothes confirm that.

 

[Joe-ker]

Maybe Nolan WANTS you to believe that it's Heath in the foreground. I really don't know, just thought it was an interesting angle that hadn't been explored.

 

[Luchastyle]

i think someone else has suggested it before. but i don't think it's possible.

welcome to the hype, by the way. didn't notice that was your first post. =D