The Dark Knight So could our TDK mesh with singer's Superman?

[WeaponXProject]

You've obviously never read a comic book with either of those two characters.

And you have, doc?

These characters are so different.

 

[WeaponXProject]

So now I got this guy telling me that Batman v. Sups would work on film. And some girl trying to convince me that Paul Walker is a good actor bc he was in Pleasantville for like 10 minutes.

I've read many comics and I can tell you that there differences, especially the realistic life of Batman compared to the out of this world unrealistic Superman, and they could not work together on film. This is a rediculous idea bc I do not think Singer or Nolan are dumb enough to do this. If you guys want this done you better call Uwe Boll or Paul W.S. Anderson cause they are the only bad directors that would try to make this work.

 

[Katsuro]

And you have, doc?

These characters are so different.

That's whats so great about it! They're so different, yet so similar. Read Jeph Loeb's Superman/Batman #1. The opening is great and really shows the contrast between these characters. They've worked together in the comics so damn many times, I just dont get why people think it cant work on film. Did anyone see the Superman: TAS/Batman: TAS World's Finest episodes? Did anyone think that was lame and gimmicky? People just need to be more open minded, and realize that it doenst have to be as bad as Alien vs. Predator or Freddy vs. Jason.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Bryan Singer did not "ruin the X-Men." What he did was jump start the superhero movie phenomenon without which we wouldn't have had the Spider-Man movies or Batman Begins.

No he ruin the X-men that I knew and love growing up reading there comics and watching their cartoons. I didn't recognize any of those "X-men" that were in those movies.

A 6'2" wolverine?
A teenage Rogue that dated Iceman?
Those God Awful Black uniforms?
Storm without an African Accent?
Pyro as a student of Xavier and a Teenager?
Was Cyclops even in those movies?
And those God Awful Balck uniforms!!!!

I Don't mind a tweak here and there when it comes to translating a comicbook to movie but he went overboard.

He'll proboly have Superman in that Blue and White suit from the mid-90s and put the nipples back on Batman. No, keep him away as far aas possible!!!

And it could be argued that BLADE jumpstarted the Superhero Genre of movies.

 

[The Top Hat]

I personally hope that Singer doesn't even touch a Batman/Superman movie.

I seem to remember when he was asked if he did the movie, who would be the villain, he said that he might make it Batman. wtf?

 

[Retroman]

I knew this thread would turn into some kind of Bryan Singer bashfest but what can you do?

I'd love it if TDK had slight references and nods to the Superman universe.It doesn't have to be a Clark Kent cameo perse. Why can't Metropolis at the very least be mentioned? Theres nothing wrong with that.Bruce could also be reading stacks of newspapers at Wayne Manor or in the batcave one of which happens to be the Daily Planet.

I'd really love for a team-up or vs movie to happen someday.They should get someone else than Nolan and Singer though.

For those who don't know there are 3 references to Batman in Superman Returns.

1)Gotham city is mentioned in a news report
2)Clocks showing times around the world including Gotham in Perry White's office
3)A framed Daily Planet newspaper with a photo taken by Jimmy Olsen of a mysterious Batfigure.

 

[thedarks0ldier]

Perry White also mentions a birthday clown masacre

 

[bunk]

No he ruin the X-men that I knew and love growing up reading there comics and watching their cartoons. I didn't recognize any of those "X-men" that were in those movies.

A 6'2" wolverine?
A teenage Rogue that dated Iceman?
Those God Awful Black uniforms?
Storm without an African Accent?
Pyro as a student of Xavier and a Teenager?
Was Cyclops even in those movies?
And those God Awful Balck uniforms!!!!

I Don't mind a tweak here and there when it comes to translating a comicbook to movie but he went overboard.

He'll proboly have Superman in that Blue and White suit from the mid-90s and put the nipples back on Batman. No, keep him away as far aas possible!!!

And it could be argued that BLADE jumpstarted the Superhero Genre of movies.

Even if all of those things made the movie bad, far worse has been done to each of those characters and the team as a whole in the comics and it doesn't ruin the X-Men for me every time it happens. The films are just another medium. Storm was really the only character that didn't much resemble her comic book counterpart. You'd really rather no movies were made? Thats ******ed.

 

[Darknightnomis]

Even if all of those things made the movie bad, far worse has been done to each of those characters and the team as a whole in the comics and it doesn't ruin the X-Men for me every time it happens. The films are just another medium. Storm was really the only character that didn't much resemble her comic book counterpart. You'd really rather no movies were made? Thats ******ed.

Why must it have to All or nothing? Now that's retarted.

Of course I want X-men movies made... but made Right. Or at least to the extent where the characters are recognizable to the core fans.

It's bad enough Singer screwed up the costumes and history of the characters, but the chronology also. He took to many liberties. Meet some of us core fans half way at least.

I only hope now with Mavel making their own movies that they will re-boot the X-Men series that comes a little closer to what we love about the X-men and the specifics about the characters.

 

[bunk]

So you'd rather no movies had been made? Or how about going chronologically and starting the team with only Beast, Cyclops, Jean, Angel, and Iceman. Yeah, that'd be a real box office smash.

 

[Aquaman]

Darknightnomis get over it. If you can't understand the fact that the movies made based on the comics are adaptations and only that. There's no way to be perfect representations of the comics, they're simply a group of people's interpretations of the source material. Comic book movies will never cater to the fanboys no matter how much we would like that.

As for a Superman-Batman movie? I'd love it. If you can bring the two charaters together in a comic book or tv show, there has to be some way of finding a compromise visually and story-wise to allow both characters to work. I must say I wouldn't like having either Singer or Nolan direct, but would be completely alright having Bale and Routh play the roles.

 

[bunk]

Darknightnomis get over it. If you can't understand the fact that the movies made based on the comics are adaptations and only that. There's no way to be perfect representations of the comics, they're simply a group of people's interpretations of the source material. Comic book movies will never cater to the fanboys no matter how much we would like that.

As for a Superman-Batman movie? I'd love it. If you can bring the two charaters together in a comic book or tv show, there has to be some way of finding a compromise visually and story-wise to allow both characters to work. I must say I wouldn't like having either Singer or Nolan direct, but would be completely alright having Bale and Routh play the roles.

When I think of TAS Batman and Superman movie, there's one scene that stands out I'd want to see in a live action movie. The one where Bruce gets off the plane and meets Lois and Clark. It would just be cool to see Bale totally hitting on lois right in front of Routh. Then later Supes would look through Bats mask and see Bruce like in the animated movie.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Didn't Singer say that Batman be kind of villian of he directed the movie? So no I don't want Singer or Nolan directing the movie, WB should choose a director that doesn't take sides.

Exactly. Singer doesn't understand Batman. Nolan doesn't understand Superman. Choose somebody who likes both of them (like me)

No he ruin the X-men that I knew and love growing up reading there comics and watching their cartoons. I didn't recognize any of those "X-men" that were in those movies.

A 6'2" wolverine?
A teenage Rogue that dated Iceman?
Those God Awful Black uniforms?
Storm without an African Accent?
Pyro as a student of Xavier and a Teenager?
Was Cyclops even in those movies?
And those God Awful Balck uniforms!!!!

Sounds like you wanted an exact translation a la X-Men TAS. Hate to break it to you but there was a lot about that show that sucked balls. Which is because there's a lot about the comic that sucks balls. The beauty of superhero movies is that they allow for the translation of the good stuff and leaving the bad stuff out. Granted this doesn't always happen. Granted X-Men wasn't perfect. But it was a LOT better than it could have been.

I Don't mind a tweak here and there when it comes to translating a comicbook to movie but he went overboard.

Singer made the X-Men believable. No, it wasn't exactly the comic. If it had been it would've sucked. Imagine for a second the Shi'ar empire and the savage land in an X-Men movie. Would I love it? Yes. Would you? probably. Would the general public? No. Nobody would've gone to see it. And forgive the man for looking past heights and uniforms to get to the core of the characters. He didn't RUIN X-men, he presented a vision that you didn't agree with. If you hate it so much, go get a job at Fox and convince them you can make a better one.

He'll proboly have Superman in that Blue and White suit from the mid-90s and put the nipples back on Batman. No, keep him away as far aas possible!!!

I wouldn't mind seeing that suit make a cameo actually. I've oft wrestled with the phenomenon of the suit. It's a toss up which direction you want to take it.

And it could be argued that BLADE jumpstarted the Superhero Genre of movies.

That's true.

 

[Darknightnomis]

So you'd rather no movies had been made? Or how about going chronologically and starting the team with only Beast, Cyclops, Jean, Angel, and Iceman. Yeah, that'd be a real box office smash.

Did you even read my response. I said I wanted the movies to be made except it would have been better if it was a little closer to what we have in the chronolgy and history of the comics.

You don't have to start off with X-men # 1 1963, but start with Giant-Size X-men from 1975 where the old team was rescued by the new. And have the old "graduate" in the end and Scott stay on to tran and lead the new team.

Make it where Magneto and the brotherhood are the captors of the old team than some Island to introduce him in the series.

Bring in Jean transformation to the Phoneix for the sequel and incorporate the Sha'ir empire in the story to introduce them to the series.

Then do the Phoenix saga for the third and make it about SCOTT AND JEAN relationship and not Wolverine and Jean WITHOUT the Legacy storyline included as we seen in the last movie.

And then "Days of Future Past" storyline and then the mutant Massacre" Etc. all those pivitol storys from the X-men comics and cartoon.

And it don't have to be exactly word for word but close enough and with a relative fasimile of their costumes from the comics that works on screen and the characters specific characteristics i.e. Wolverine being short, Storm being African (in in the bikini suit), Rogue a very "heathy" Southern Bell, etc.

Bottom line as stay close to the source material as possible and don't make the movies a vehicles for Wolverine.

A spectacular way of making comic adaptation hasn't hurt Spiderman or Sin City and it wouldn't have hurt the X-Men movies either except Singer started off on the wrong perspective for the movie and had to make do when it came to the sequels.

 

[bunk]

Did you even read my response. I said I wanted the movies to be made except it would have been better if it was a little closer to what we have in the chronolgy and history of the comics.

You don't have to start off with X-men # 1 1963, but start with Giant-Size X-men from 1975 where the old team was rescued by the new. And have the old "graduate" in the end and Scott stay on to tran and lead the new team.

Make it where Magneto and the brotherhood are the captors of the old team than some Island to introduce him in the series.

Bring in Jean transformation to the Phoneix for the sequel and incorporate the Sha'ir empire in the story to introduce them to the series.

Then do the Phoenix saga for the third and make it about SCOTT AND JEAN relationship and not Wolverine and Jean WITHOUT the Legacy storyline included as we seen in the last movie.

And then "Days of Future Past" storyline and then the mutant Massacre" Etc. all those pivitol storys from the X-men comics and cartoon.

And it don't have to be exactly word for word but close enough and with a relative fasimile of their costumes from the comics that works on screen and the characters specific characteristics i.e. Wolverine being short, Storm being African (in in the bikini suit), Rogue a very "heathy" Southern Bell, etc.

Bottom line as stay close to the source material as possible and don't make the movies a vehicles for Wolverine.

A spectacular way of making comic adaptation hasn't hurt Spiderman or Sin City and it wouldn't have hurt the X-Men movies either except Singer started off on the wrong perspective for the movie and had to make do when it came to the sequels.

So...you'd rather no movies had been made?

 

[Ronny Shade]

lol. Scott should've been a more important character, I'll agree with you there.

 

[Darknightnomis]

So...you'd rather no movies had been made?

Egads!

 

[raybia]

lol. Scott should've been a more important character, I'll agree with you there.

I agree. Maybe Jackman should have been Cyclops?

Actually the person who was born to play that role was Michael Biehn. What a F***** WASTE.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Michael Biehn? I don't see it.

I've actually never heard a casting suggestion for Cyclops that I liked.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

It has to happen at some point. They've had success together in almost every medium.

I'm all for it. Just as long as it has nothing to do with Singerman.

 

[raybia]

Michael Biehn? I don't see it.

I've actually never heard a casting suggestion for Cyclops that I liked.

How about Bale? That would have been interesting. Of course Scott's character would need beefing up.

 

[Jasomius]

Actually the person who was born to play that role was Michael Biehn. What a F***** WASTE.

I've never thought bout that until now, but he is PERFECT.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Yeah Bale could work I guess, but he seems too...I dunno...internal? I think it's really important that Cyke is a likable guy. (Not that Bale isn't) You want to be torn between whether jean should go for wolvie or not.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Sry I have to do this

Scott:How long have I been out?
Charles: A long time Scott. But that doesn't matter now. You're back. We can fix things.
Jean: It's been terrible without you scott, we need a leader to fight back against the sentinels.
Scott: When did the sentinels attack?
Jean: October 17th.
Scott: What YEEEAR!?

 

[raybia]

Sry I have to do this

Scott:How long have I been out?
Charles: A long time Scott. But that doesn't matter now. You're back. We can fix things.
Jean: It's been terrible without you scott, we need a leader to fight back against the sentinels.
Scott: When did the sentinels attack?
Jean: October 17th.
Scott: What YEEEAR!?

Brilliant!