The Dark Knight So could our TDK mesh with singer's Superman?

[Crooklyn]

1.Batman useing a jetpack

I'll give you this.

2. billionare Lex Luthor giving the joker and harley 2 billion dollars to kill superman.

What's wrong with this?

3. Batman running away from a giant robot, witch fires laser beams.

Maybe laser beams are pushing it, but robots are fine. I believe it was explained as part of Lexcorp so it's not exactly random.

4. Lois Lane dateing bruce Wayne

Absolutely nothing wrong here. Especially with the billionaire playboy in BB, it goes right along with what he might do. Plus there's nothing more amusing than seeing Bats bag Supes #1 lady.

5. Joker stealing Lex Luthors expensive air ship, to destroy all of metropolis

Eh, it's crazy, but it goes with Joker.

6. Harley quinn

I'm neutral on this one. She's not really needed, but she isn't really that bad.

7.The Bat-plane

Neutral on this one as well.

8.The entire plot of the animted movie.

Ludicrous. A similar plot would work just fine in live-action. You make some tweaks here and there and it'll be good.

I can name many more things, now maybe if you make Batman like he was in the 90s movies this can all be over looked easily.

What do you mean by this?

 

[Eros]

i mean crookyn, a batman superman movie would work better with any other version of batman then Nolans.

 

[StorminNorman]

superman returns is set in some kind of 1940s esque world, Begins is in todays world ,the character dress like its the 21s century. Besides i never want to see batman and superman togehter in any kind of live action event. It would make fun of the batman character, and make superman seem like a joke Imo. super Alien teaming up with a rich man in a batsuit would make for great comedy though.

Just stop it - that entire post is a disgrace to both Heroes.

 

[StorminNorman]

We'll see what Singer does for the sequel. I'm in the opinion that SR didn't completely butcher these characters, and there's still time to save face with proper tweaks.


What exactly is your point here? Is there something in particular about that film, that can't be translated to live-action?

Goddamn it - Singer did NOT BUTCHER ANY CHARACTER IN SUPERMAN RETURNS.

 

[StorminNorman]

i mean crookyn, a batman superman movie would work better with any other version of batman then Nolans.

I never understand this reasoning. How is Nolan's Batman, really, any different from Jeff Loeb's Batman (which does mingle with Superman)? Hell, Frank Miller's Batman is much less Superman-friendly than the great Chris Nolan's - yet the both live together (though not happily).

 

[FaT_tONle]

Goddamn it - Singer did NOT BUTCHER ANY CHARACTER IN SUPERMAN RETURNS.

Lois Lane was butchered.... don't tell me otherwise...

 

[StorminNorman]

Lois Lane was butchered.... don't tell me otherwise...

She wasn't plain and simple. She simply had a kid, that does tend to tweak your personality a wee bit.

 

[Crooklyn]

To say that it didn't butcher the character in any way, shape, or form is inaccurate imo. The fact that large discussions on Lois' sassiness, Lex's cold and business-savvy persona, and Superman's charming presense being non-existent in this film, is enough to say that things were changed to a lot of fans' dismay.

That is why I clearly said they weren't COMPLETELY butchered. Which is to say these things can easily be remedied in the sequel. I did not completely dislike SR, but I will no doubt say that it could use some tweaks if the Superman franchise is to gain a larger following.

 

[StorminNorman]

To say that it didn't butcher the character in any way, shape, or form is inaccurate imo. The fact that large discussions on Lois' sassiness, Lex's cold and business-savvy persona, and Superman's charming presense being non-existent in this film, is enough to say that things were changed to a lot of fans' dismay.

That is why I clearly said they weren't COMPLETELY butchered. Which is to say these things can easily be remedied in the sequel. I did not completely dislike SR, but I will no doubt say that it could use some tweaks if the Superman franchise is to gain a larger following.

I disagree about Lois', she was stuborn and sassy with Perry White, she was the inquesitive reporter when she was on duty, etc.

Lex did not do all that much business period - so you can not say he lacked business savvy - he just didn't have a chance to show it. He did show his ability to manipulate people (and at the same time his cold, Machiavellian personality) when he used the old lady to get the cash he needed.

I found Superman charming in his interview with Lois, but also in the way he handeled himself when in action.

 

[Crooklyn]

I disagree about Lois', she was stuborn and sassy with Perry White, she was the inquesitive reporter when she was on duty, etc.

A lot of times it came off as a highschool brat whining ("but there are dozens of other stories out there!" comes to mind). Other times Bosworth was pretty good, and one time she really came out as the Lois I loved ("Greeaaat..thanks Chief "). The problem lies within the voice and delivery, so if Kate can work on that, she'll be fine.

Lex did not do all that much business period - so you can not say he lacked business savvy - he just didn't have a chance to show it. He did show his ability to manipulate people (and at the same time his cold, Machiavellian personality) when he used the old lady to get the cash he needed.

You're right, the way he was presented didn't allow for Lex to show it. But that's precisely why the fans are complaining, because this new movie should've showcased a new Lex. But again, this can be fixed.

I found Superman charming in his interview with Lois, but also in the way he handeled himself when in action.

Routh handled himself well, but I wouldn't really consider any of those scenes to showcase charm. At least....the charm I'm talking about. The one that just makes you smile with anything that comes out of his mouth, leaves you feeling happy and hopeful. To this day, Reeve cannot be topped in that category, that's pretty much universal. I'd say Routh pulls off the confident and calm role perfectly, but he needs work on his Superman personality.

 

[StorminNorman]

Routh handled himself well, but I wouldn't really consider any of those scenes to showcase charm. At least....the charm I'm talking about. The one that just makes you smile with anything that comes out of his mouth, leaves you feeling happy and hopeful. To this day, Reeve cannot be topped in that category, that's pretty much universal. I'd say Routh pulls off the confident and calm role perfectly, but he needs work on his Superman personality.

Watch the Airplane scene and tel me that Routh does not come off with the Charm needed in Superman?

 

[Crooklyn]

Watch the Airplane scene and tel me that Routh does not come off with the Charm needed in Superman?

Again, I think charm is the wrong word to describe how Routh is in that scene. It's hard to explain, but I'll try anyway (bare with me, I'll probably make a fool of myself very shortly).

With Routh's voice and delivery, it sorta reminds me more of a 911 operator trying to calm the caller. I'm sure you've heard the tone they use: "calm down sir, everything will be alright. stay with me, breathe slowly, etc." It's more of a deep/soothing type of delivery.

Reeve did it more in a gleeful and corny type of way. Almost as if you'd expect him to say "hehe" in between his sentences, ya know? Like: "Rest assured ma'am, I'll have your son in your arms in no time flat"...all this with a smile. He reminds me more of the authoritative figure that manages to always remain happy in any type of situation in order to ease the people around him.

This is more apparent when you compare the plane statistics line of Routh and Reeve. Even though the line is exactly the same, you'll see that the deliveries are completely different.

Did that sorta explain how I see things? I realize it may be hard to grasp.

 

[StorminNorman]

Again, I think charm is the wrong word to describe how Routh is in that scene. It's hard to explain, but I'll try anyway (bare with me, I'll probably make a fool of myself very shortly).

With Routh's voice and delivery, it sorta reminds me more of a 911 operator trying to calm the caller. I'm sure you've heard the tone they use: "calm down sir, everything will be alright. stay with me, breathe slowly, etc." It's more of a deep/soothing type of delivery.

Reeve did it more in a gleeful and corny type of way. Almost as if you'd expect him to say "hehe" in between his sentences, ya know? Like: "Rest assured ma'am, I'll have your son in your arms in no time flat"...all this with a smile. He reminds me more of the authoritative figure that manages to always remain happy in any type of situation in order to ease the people around him.

This is more apparent when you compare the plane statistics line of Routh and Reeve. Even though the line is exactly the same, you'll see that the deliveries are completely different.

Did that sorta explain how I see things? I realize it may be hard to grasp.

I think in the end you just prefer Reeve to Routh. Its perfectly understandable. I prefer Routh to Reeve. So everything you love about Reeve that Routh DOESN'T do, you will notice.

 

[GoldGoblin]

Nolan should direct it.

 

[Heretic]

Simple...
Rachel Dawes is murdered. Batman almost prevents it but fails, becoming enraged and beating the hitmen close to death, they fess up that Lex luthor hired the hit because rachel had dirt on him....Batman goes to Metropolis to get some vengeance and nothing or noone is going to stand in his way.

Good script and we're off...

 

[GreenKToo]

I like..

Simple...
Rachel Dawes is murdered. Batman almost prevents it but fails, becoming enraged and beating the hitmen close to death, they fess up that Lex luthor hired the hit because rachel had dirt on him....Batman goes to Metropolis to get some vengeance and nothing or noone is going to stand in his way.

Good script and we're off...

 

[bunk]

Rachel Dawes should never be the center of any Batman plot, maybe if it was real character in her place.

 

[Heretic]

Rachel Dawes should never be the center of any Batman plot, maybe if it was real character in her place.

In current movie continuity she is the only person Batman really cares about other than Alfred...you can say "shes not a real character" all day long, but to moviegoers she is the only even remotely defined female character in Batman history (movies and comics being two different mediums).

edited to say: Catwoman is an exception, but is not a part of current continuity.

 

[StorminNorman]

Rachel Dawes should never be the center of any Batman plot, maybe if it was real character in her place.

Sorry to break it to you bud, but Rachel is a real character in the Nolan Bat series and played a fairly large role in Begins. The idea of her death forcing Bruce to almost break the limits he has set for himself and Superman having to step in would make for a good story if done right.

 

[Heretic]

Sorry to break it to you bud, but Rachel is a real character in the Nolan Bat series and played a fairly large role in Begins. The idea of her death forcing Bruce to almost break the limits he has set for himself and Superman having to step in would make for a good story if done right.

Youd have to somehow make Luthor seem like hes reformed somehow, contributing to society in some way...just to create tension between Batman and Superman upon first meeting, though I aggree that they should never fight each other.

Think about how cool it would be to see Bale walking past Routh in the film and the two strangers just turn and look at each other, both smart enough to figure out the others secret...that would be a cool little scene.

Id imagine youd need some actual villians to fight instead of Lex, and I dont particularly care who youd throw in. For Batman villians I would be in agreeance with Two-Face (who at that point would have a previous friendhsip/co-worker affection with rachel, and could even turn on Lex, or The Penguin, who would NOT have an umbrella as they would look silly, maybe a weaponize walking stick).

 

[Tojo]

If Bruce went crazy over Rachels death, i wouldn't believe it, because their relationship in Begins was not believable in the slightest. It was dull, contrived....basically NO chemistry or sign of life between them.

As for Supes Vs Bats? Well both comics are completley different worlds yet when they come together it is so engaging. I know a film is different but i don't understand why it wouldn't work. No reason at all.

 

[Heretic]

I thought Rachel was handled very well, for a comic book movie. The scene with rachel slapping bruce for wanting to use a gun was one of the best in the film (forgetting the fact that Holmes acting chops about equals an amputee mime). and that scene set the course for Batman not killing, her presence in the film defined batman more then really any other character. In fact, shes probably the only thing that kept him sane.

 

[bunk]

Sorry to break it to you bud, but Rachel is a real character in the Nolan Bat series and played a fairly large role in Begins. The idea of her death forcing Bruce to almost break the limits he has set for himself and Superman having to step in would make for a good story if done right.

I don't see her death having that kind of impact on him. If he cared about her so much he sure as hell didn't show it in Begins. He didn't even give her call when he came back to Gotham. As much as I wouldn't want to see anything happen to Lucious, I can see much more potential for that type of story originating from his death than Rachel's. Imagine how you'd feel if they killed off Lucious. If you don't feel Batman's loss to begin with the whole story is weak.

 

[RakuMon]

Routh handled himself well, but I wouldn't really consider any of those scenes to showcase charm. At least....the charm I'm talking about. The one that just makes you smile with anything that comes out of his mouth, leaves you feeling happy and hopeful. To this day, Reeve cannot be topped in that category, that's pretty much universal. I'd say Routh pulls off the confident and calm role perfectly, but he needs work on his Superman personality.

Not for nothing, but Superman came off creepy more than charming.

And to answer the question posed in the thread title. In a word:

"Hell to the No!"

 

[Heretic]

Bruce didnt call rachel when he got to gotham BECAUSE he cared about her. He wanted to stay distant from her (he did go look for her and watched from afar as she kissed DA Doofus on the cheek).

Besides, you could tell Bale "you are emotionally destroyed and pissed off, now act!" and he would knock it out of the park so far people would believe it.