Sons of Anarchy - Part 3

[Marvolo]

Anyone actually rewatch that scene? The way Unser yells after getting punched is hysterical.

Yeah its almost a Wilhelm. We can call his scream "The Unser".

 

[Twitch]

So somebody pointed this out on another forum I go to:

Anyone notice the closing scene last night.....the camera paused far too long on the road sign...three towns, distances of 9, 23 and 47.


Ezekiel 23 47:

And the host shall stone them and cut them down with their swords. They shall kill their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses.

9 = Niners??

We're in for a bloody two weeks in December possibly guys.

 

[georgec]

That's a pretty interesting theory. I'd hate to see the Niners turn against the Sons so soon after taking down Marks. I got the impression that most of the gang violence and conflicts were resolved and the last two episodes would focus on internal conflicts (Jax's Mayhem vote, dealing with Gemma, etc.), but I guess anything's possible.

 

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, I think the gang stuff is done. IMO, Jax is going to be forced out of the club but not before he deals with Gemma and Barosky.

I still believe his lasting legacy will be to unite the all the west coast MC's with the Niners and backed by the Irish.

 

[georgec]

That "I want you to stop eating donuts you fat piece of ****" line that Jax says to the driver of the car he steals cracks me up for some reason. In such a downer of an episode it was kind a cathartic release of emotion.

 

[Marvolo]

So somebody pointed this out on another forum I go to:



We're in for a bloody two weeks in December possibly guys.

Where'd the person get Ezekiel from? Why that book?

 

[Twitch]

I don't know where he got Ezekiel from, maybe the guy just has an avid memory of the bible.

Anyway it's just a theory, and I think in the previews the Niners look to be bursting into a room, guns blazing. I think its at least possible.

 

[squeekness]

So somebody pointed this out on another forum I go to:



We're in for a bloody two weeks in December possibly guys.

Well there had to be a reason for the dramatic pause on the sign, that's as good a one as any.

 

[Tron Bonne]

What would the motivation behind the Niners killing the MC be? It'd be too random and out of nowhere, too much to explain in two episodes when we have to resolve the stuff with Gemma, and the internal MC conflict around Jax. Not sure why this random bible verse has any relevance, either, seems sort of random.

 

[Marvolo]

I don't know where he got Ezekiel from, maybe the guy just has an avid memory of the bible.

Anyway it's just a theory, and I think in the previews the Niners look to be bursting into a room, guns blazing. I think its at least possible.

Yeah, but the Christian Bible has 66 books and a number of them go to 23 chapters and I'm sure another besides Ezekiel has a 47th verse in its 23 chapter. That guy is reaching very far. Seeing a connection where none exists.

 

[Mister J]

Yeah, but the Christian Bible has 66 books and a number of them go to 23 chapters and I'm sure another besides Ezekiel has a 47th verse in its 23 chapter. That guy is reaching very far. Seeing a connection where none exists.

Apophenia

 

[squeekness]

Maybe the point of the sign was to tell us where she was going, but being unfamiliar with the area, it meant nothing to me.

 

[Marvolo]

Apophenia

Yep. It's the same reason we see Mother Mary and Jesus on toast. Pattern recognition is insanely prevalent in humans, and more often than not there isn't a pattern. It's just our brain running wild with an instinct we need to survive and grow as a species.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[THUNDERSTRIKE]

Yep. It's the same reason we see Mother Mary and Jesus on toast. Pattern recognition is insanely prevalent in humans, and more often than not there isn't a pattern. It's just our brain running wild with an instinct we need to survive and grow as a species.

you saw Jesus on toast?!?... ... I saw his image in a steak burrito...

 

[Twitch]

What would the motivation behind the Niners killing the MC be? It'd be too random and out of nowhere, too much to explain in two episodes when we have to resolve the stuff with Gemma, and the internal MC conflict around Jax. Not sure why this random bible verse has any relevance, either, seems sort of random.

I just thought it was interesting theory. I'm not putting much stock by it.

But let's say the theory does play out. Violence is sometimes very random. The Niners could just be seeking to take advantage of something to gain more power. We've seen it before with Alvarez throughout the series. Also wouldn't it be a tragedy if the streets implode while Jax is dealing with Gemma and the rest of the MC. You could see it on everyone's face around the table when Jax told them the truth. They knew in some way they are ****ed. Juice just killed Lin so there might still be blowback from the Chinese. Marks is still potentially out there etc.

The show has made a point throughout its run that every action has a reaction. So I don't think the streets are going to be neat and tidy why Jax is dealing with his ****.

Also every episode so far this season has been 90 mins with the finale I expect to be two hours. So they have potentially plenty of time to play with

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yeah, but think about it. You'd not only have to have the Niners turn, but also explain why, and deal with a big gang battle in two episodes. Even with longer episodes, that's a lot to try and deal with on top of everything else. That's a seasons worth, or half seasons worth, of content there. It'd come off as random and muddle the plot too much. It'd be a bad direction, something purely for shock in a show that has plenty of shock on its own.

 

[squeekness]

Hopefully not two hours of blab.

 

[Twitch]

Yeah, but think about it. You'd not only have to have the Niners turn, but also explain why, and deal with a big gang battle in two episodes. Even with longer episodes, that's a lot to try and deal with on top of everything else. That's a seasons worth, or half seasons worth, of content there. It'd come off as random and muddle the plot too much. It'd be a bad direction, something purely for shock in a show that has plenty of shock on its own.

I agree with with you. My point is that I wouldn't put it past them (the writers).The point they would try to make is that it is random. I don't think Sutter is going to make everything nice and neat in the end. I don't think everything is supposed to be seen as logical. If everything is meant to be logical in this show, Gemma would have been dead at least five times over before she even killed Tara. We are dealing with characters that shoot first, ask questions later. All I'm trying to say is that it would take very little to possibly set the Niners or anyone else off (ex:racial tension). Sometimes there is no explanation for the violence. Also the Niners could just be retaliating against someone else not specifically the Sons. All the Sons could be doing is trying to keep everyone rational on the streets which could backfire on them.

How exactly would it muddle the plot? The gang violence would just mirror what Jax has been doing this entire season, dropping bodies without regard. The gang violence will blow back on the club, but I think all Jax wants to do is get his hands on Gemma. It wouldn't affect Jax's journey directly at all.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I agree with with you. My point is that I wouldn't put it past them (the writers).The point they would try to make is that it is random. I don't think Sutter is going to make everything nice and neat in the end. I don't think everything is supposed to be seen as logical. If everything is meant to be logical in this show, Gemma would have been dead at least five times over before she even killed Tara. We are dealing with characters that shoot first, ask questions later. All I'm trying to say is that it would take very little to possibly set the Niners or anyone else off (ex:racial tension). Sometimes there is no explanation for the violence. Also the Niners could just be retaliating against someone else not specifically the Sons. All the Sons could be doing is trying to keep everyone rational on the streets which could backfire on them.

I feel like we're talking about different shows, because I really wouldn't describe what has happened in Sons as all that random. There's almost always been a fairly clear explanation behind events that transpire. I don't think SOA has ever been a show that's try to capture the randomness of real life, it's a fairly sensationalized show. I mean, I'm sure you can point to bits and pieces of the show as a whole, but in general, there's always been an ebb and flow to what happens.

How exactly would it muddle the plot? The gang violence would just mirror what Jax has been doing this entire season, dropping bodies without regard. The gang violence will blow back on the club, but I think all Jax wants to do is get his hands on Gemma. It wouldn't affect Jax's journey directly at all.

How would it not muddle the plot? We have three core stories happening right now: The fate of Juice, Gemma on the run, and the coming inquisition from the club as a whole against Jax. You're talking about throwing in a gang war on top of all of that? Yeah, it would be pretty muddled if you expect anything of any warrant to come of it. Honestly, it'd be some bad writing unless the point is to just have a "kill them all" ending where all the Sons get slaughtered by the Niners with the reason behind it never being revealed to the viewers.

 

[Twitch]

I feel like we're talking about different shows, because I really wouldn't describe what has happened in Sons as all that random. There's almost always been a fairly clear explanation behind events that transpire. I don't think SOA has ever been a show that's try to capture the randomness of real life, it's a fairly sensationalized show. I mean, I'm sure you can point to bits and pieces of the show as a whole, but in general, there's always been an ebb and flow to what happens.

How would it not muddle the plot? We have three core stories happening right now: The fate of Juice, Gemma on the run, and the coming inquisition from the club as a whole against Jax. You're talking about throwing in a gang war on top of all of that? Yeah, it would be pretty muddled if you expect anything of any warrant to come of it. Honestly, it'd be some bad writing unless the point is to just have a "kill them all" ending where all the Sons get slaughtered by the Niners with the reason behind it never being revealed to the viewers.

Whatever, its a theory that someone else found interesting enough to point out and I thought it was worth sharing over here. I was just trying to explain possible reasoning behind the theory.



One last thing is that this gang war doesn't have to be front and center but going on in the background. Chibbs and the rest of the main club could be dealing with the gang violence while Jax deals with the other charters. Not that much time has to be devoted to explaining it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Whatever, its a theory that someone else found interesting enough to point out and I thought it was worth sharing over here. I was just trying to explain possible reasoning behind the theory.

I understand, I'm just pointing out why it's not a good idea.

One last thing is that this gang war doesn't have to be front and center but going on in the background. Chibbs and the rest of the main club could be dealing with the gang violence while Jax deals with the other charters. Not that much time has to be devoted to explaining it.

I don't know, that would make it even more pointless to me.

 

[Twitch]

I don't think it would be that bad if the writers went that way

Anyways good back and forth discussion.

 

[Sawyer]

The more I watch this show, the more surprised I am that no one has talked to Charlie Hunnam about the accent he uses in-character. Not only is it just not that great of an accent, but it also doesn't remotely sound: A. like the region he's supposed to have spent his whole life in, and B. like any of the other characters around him. It sounds like he's always aiming to sound like a New Yorker.

And the weird thing is, in the past seven years he's spent working on the show, it seems to have worked it's way into his real accent too. He barely sounds English anymore.

 

[runawayboulder]

I mentioned last week how far he's come as an actor. He really nailed the character's accent down around season 3.