Venom Sony Revives 'Venom' Solo Movie - Part 4

[ehh]

Here is why this logic doesn't line up for me: Venom is going to make money. But it won't make Spider-Man money. Big difference. As long as Far From Home makes huge bank, these Sonyverse movies they're making are not incentive to take Spider-Man back. What would justify them doing so is if FFH makes TASM2 type money. If it makes Homecoming money or cracks a billion, Sony will extend the deal. I can see Sony maybe trying to get Holland available for crossovers or something like that. But I don't see them taking Spider-Man back because Venom made money.

Also let's face it: when were the likes of Morbius, Venom, or Carnage making it into the MCU? I honestly see no harm in this Spiderverse they're doing.

Venom is doing well for a Venom movie, but it won't compare to Homecoming, Black Panther, Civil War, and so on. Unless the sequels are infinitely better, I don't think this SUMC will ever come close to the level of success that the MCU has with it's top properties, including Spider-Man.

As you said, the most important thing here is that Far From Home does very well. At the very least, it would give them incentive to make one more MCU solo movie. Sony doesn't care if they are getting help from Kevin Feige considering the general audience doesn't care and us fans will back them up for it.

I don't think Venom will ever tie to the MCU in any way. Feige wouldn't want that series part of MCU canon. Now if they get Holland to do a crossover, I don't know how that would work, considering any film he appears in is automatically MCU canon.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Venom is doing well for a Venom movie, but it won't compare to Homecoming, Black Panther, Civil War, and so on. Unless the sequels are infinitely better, I don't think this SUMC will ever come close to the level of success that the MCU has with it's top properties, including Spider-Man.

As you said, the most important thing here is that Far From Home does very well. At the very least, it would give them incentive to make one more MCU solo movie. Sony doesn't care if they are getting help from Kevin Feige considering the general audience doesn't care and us fans will back them up for it.

I don't think Venom will ever tie to the MCU in any way. Feige wouldn't want that series part of MCU canon. Now if they get Holland to do a crossover, I don't know how that would work, considering any film he appears in is automatically MCU canon.

I don't know what this would look like, but do I think it is impossible to get the 2 parties to agree to some type of Holland crossover? No. Maybe Sony will offer a longer term deal for sharing Spider-Man is they permit a fixed amount of crossovers as an incentive. Who knows. But that would be the best I think Sony would have any chance at working out so long as the Spider-Man property continues to grow and make Sony more money under the guidance of Marvel Studios.

 

[Flint Marko]

It will only really change the conversation a little. Unless subsequent Sony produced films start making Spider-Man money. If Venom 2 comes out and makes Homecoming money, then concern might be warranted. But if all their properties are grossing Ant-Man money on their best day, but Spider-Man is making somewhere close to a billion, I see them just being happy with that for a long while. At least long enough for Spider-Man to have made more appearances in the MCU. Why pull him out of the MCU if the property value is going up? Especially if Sony is looking to eventually get an Avenger or 2 in their movies as indicated in prior articles on Venom? I think that would be a counter-intuitive strategy.

We'll have to see. I understand your reasoning but I'm not convinced that Sony is always going to remain so content in playing nicely with Disney. Yes they're making good money now, but the specific numbers and/or Sony's perception of said numbers could change within the year. 2016 post-hack Sony is a different company than the 2018 Post-Jumanji/Venom Sony. They've actually had a pretty strong year box-office wise.

There's just a lot of variables and ego at play here. Far From Home will be a hit, and we'll probably get at least one more Holland movie. But after that you better believe Sony is going to be curious how a Spider-man movie featuring their Morbius and their Venom would make them.

I initially wanted Tom Holland on for two trilogies, one that focused on a younger Spider-man and a second that showed the college/adult years. Now I'm thinking that's a pipe dream, and somewhere along the lines they'll just part ways.

 

[kguillou]

You gotta admit, movies like this and Suicide Squad are fascinating in how they are so critic/review proof and audiences eat them up no matter what. I think 9/10 times, critcs, Rotten Tomatoes--whatever does indeed significantly impact a movie's financial success but every now and then theres a movie that I guess just has a natural audience appeal and it really doesn't matter what kind of buzz it has around it, people will show up for it anyway.

You could argue Suicde Squad's success came down to Joker, Harley and Will Smith but Venom, I dunno, in 2018 does the character have a lot of built in cache with joe public? This movie had no sign of Spiderman and didnt even mention him once in the marketing, meaning that there must have been something there that drew lots of people in.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think Venom does have a lot of built-in cache. He's one of the most popular villains in comics, and he's popular because he looks cool. This movie had a cool-looking Venom played by a big-name actor, so I'm not floored it made good money. I'll be surprised if it has good legs though.

 

[harlequinade]

You gotta admit, movies like this and Suicide Squad are fascinating in how they are so critic/review proof and audiences eat them up no matter what. I think 9/10 times, critcs, Rotten Tomatoes--whatever does indeed significantly impact a movie's financial success but every now and then theres a movie that I guess just has a natural audience appeal and it really doesn't matter what kind of buzz it has around it, people will show up for it anyway.

You could argue Suicde Squad's success came down to Joker, Harley and Will Smith but Venom, I dunno, in 2018 does the character have a lot of built in cache with joe public? This movie had no sign of Spiderman and didnt even mention him once in the marketing, meaning that there must have been something there that drew lots of people in.

Hardy. People love him and its so much fun to watch him be all goofy when he is usually super intense

 

[Lilbaz]

You gotta admit, movies like this and Suicide Squad are fascinating in how they are so critic/review proof and audiences eat them up no matter what. I think 9/10 times, critcs, Rotten Tomatoes--whatever does indeed significantly impact a movie's financial success but every now and then theres a movie that I guess just has a natural audience appeal and it really doesn't matter what kind of buzz it has around it, people will show up for it anyway.

You could argue Suicde Squad's success came down to Joker, Harley and Will Smith but Venom, I dunno, in 2018 does the character have a lot of built in cache with joe public? This movie had no sign of Spiderman and didnt even mention him once in the marketing, meaning that there must have been something there that drew lots of people in.

His name is tom hardy.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

the second they announced venom in the MCU just confirmed to me that Feige and co. never has any interest in adapting symbiotes for their spider-man, at least not anytime soon.

Guaranteed they gave sony a list of characters they were intending on using and as a result of that, sony started putting the characters not mentioned into development for their own 'universe'

 

[ehh]

The thing with Spider-Man in the MCU is that it comes with a guaranteed success. There is a lot less risk in terms of quality, critic and audience reception, and box office results. Not saying that Marvel can't do wrong, but they have an incredible track record.

Sony's best is Marvel's worst, in terms of quality.

I just wonder if Sony will play ball with Marvel again after Far From Home. At the very, very least, I really want them to cap off the trilogy. Two MCU films is not enough in my book and feels incomplete.

 

[Lilbaz]

The thing with Spider-Man in the MCU is that it comes with a guaranteed success. There is a lot less risk in terms of quality, critic and audience reception, and box office results. Not saying that Marvel can't do wrong, but they have an incredible track record.

Sony's best is Marvel's worst, in terms of quality.

I just wonder if Sony will play ball with Marvel again after Far From Home. At the very, very least, I really want them to cap off the trilogy. Two MCU films is not enough in my book and feels incomplete.

Forget the trillogy, i want another 6 films at least and avenger tie ins. Tom is young enough to play the role for many years.

 

[ehh]

Forget the trillogy, i want another 6 films at least and avenger tie ins. Tom is young enough to play the role for many years.

I'm guessing that if Sony pulls out of the deal, they will have Tom Holland continue the role. But then you have the issue of legal limitations, because Tom's version of the character is well integrated into the MCU. So how do they go about making more films with Tom Holland but not have it impact the MCU? Would Marvel Studios allow that? I don't know how that would work.

I would be grateful for a trilogy for the time being. I know I will want more, but Marvel tends to stick with trilogies anyway.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I'm guessing that if Sony pulls out of the deal, they will have Tom Holland continue the role. But then you have the issue of legal limitations, because Tom's version of the character is well integrated into the MCU. So how do they go about making more films with Tom Holland but not have it impact the MCU? Would Marvel Studios allow that? I don't know how that would work.

I would be grateful for a trilogy for the time being. I know I will want more, but Marvel tends to stick with trilogies anyway.

Not that I think this will happen, but maybe Peter goes to college in San Francisco in your scenario? Like, he graduates and they end it with him leaving for college?

Though I see him in the MCU for a while yet.

 

[ehh]

Not that I think this will happen, but maybe Peter goes to college in San Francisco in your scenario? Like, he graduates and they end it with him leaving for college?

Though I see him in the MCU for a while yet.

I suppose they could treat it as they do the Marvel Netflix shows. They just don't mention the events of the MCU at all, or if they do, just rarely.

I do see Spider-Man in the MCU at least a bit longer in the foreseeable future. Spider-Man in the MCU is the best thing that's happened to him since Spidey 2. It works for Sony, it works for Marvel, but Sony is the company benefiting the most here. Marvel can go on without the deal, Sony would struggle in the long run. I see no reason to not renew the deal for at least one more film and a few more appearances.

 

[Schlosser85]

Ugh, I don't want Tom Holland to get sucked out of the MCU and into Sony's crapfest. They have no clue what the hell they're doing.

 

[Ozbridge]

The Spider-Man trilogy in the MCU definitely will happen, so at least we can see him in the MCU until 2021. I think speculating what happen after is too soon, in 2 years Sony will be different, even the people running Sony might be different. By then their personalities and business style will decide whether Sony will extend the deal with Disney, so we can't really guess correctly now.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The renegotiation will happen before 2021. The current deal ends with FFH.

 

[Ozbridge]

The Spider-Man trilogy in the MCU definitely will happen, so at least we can see him in the MCU until 2021. I think speculating what happen after is too soon, in 2 years Sony will be different, even the people running Sony might be different. By then their personalities and business style will decide whether Sony will extend the deal with Disney, so we can't really guess correctly now.

The renegotiation will happen before 2021. The current deal ends with FFH.

Oh is it? I thought they agreed with a trilogy. Yeah in that case I think it can go either way.

 

[ehh]

The renegotiation will happen before 2021. The current deal ends with FFH.

I wonder if they are already in talks about renewing the deal, or if they are waiting for Venom to finish its theatrical run first.

Oh is it? I thought they agreed with a trilogy. Yeah in that case I think it can go either way.

They agreed on 5 films: 2 solo titles and 3 appearances in other movies. But Tom did sign on for 6 movies.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wonder if they are already in talks about renewing the deal, or if they are waiting for Venom to finish its theatrical run first.

More than likely it has been discussed, but no deal will be final until they see what FFH does at the BO. That I feel is more key than Venom was.

 

[ehh]

Sony has a tendency to announce movies rather quickly. So I was imagining them announcing a sequel to FFH with a release date.

 

[Lilbaz]

The Spider-Man trilogy in the MCU definitely will happen, so at least we can see him in the MCU until 2021. I think speculating what happen after is too soon, in 2 years Sony will be different, even the people running Sony might be different. By then their personalities and business style will decide whether Sony will extend the deal with Disney, so we can't really guess correctly now.

The deal runs out after far from home. There has been no mention of a new deal.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Venom doesn't show any sign of needing spider-man or even any hints to spider-mans existence within universe, so you don't get the impression they feel Venom needs him at all.

So there is no reason why they won't renew the deal.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yah I think it's all on FFH. If that movie does really well, Sony will have no reason to pull Spidey from the MCU. But if it doesn't...They will course correct.

 

[ehh]

Yah I think it's all on FFH. If that movie does really well, Sony will have no reason to pull Spidey from the MCU. But if it doesn't...They will course correct.

I mean, even if the movie doesn't do very well, the movies afterwards would only perform worse without marvel studios.

Spider-Man will be at his very best as long as Sony continues to work with Marvel.

 

[Lilbaz]

I mean, even if the movie doesn't do very well, the movies afterwards would only perform worse without marvel studios.

Spider-Man will be at his very best as long as Sony continues to work with Marvel.

I think it's a safe bet to say it does well. Question is how well?