Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Schlosser85]

I refuse to believe Spider-Man going back into the hands of Avi Arad will ever be a good thing.

This. I have no faith in Sony.

 

[Schlosser85]

The tower still exists, and as long as it does, it's a giant slice of MCU sticking in the middle of Spidey's home city.



Rhodey was on the case. Thor was defending the Nine Realms, Cap and Nat were probably on a mission with Shield, Barton was with his family and Bruce was probably in hiding.

And when alien spaceships attacked London? When Nick Fury was "assassinated" and Cap and Natasha had to throw themselves on Sam's doorstep when Sam wasn't even a superhero yet because "everyone we know is trying to kill us"? Why couldn't they have called Tony, or Hawkeye?

If we try to play this game, it doesn't hold up to close scrutiny.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The tower still exists, and as long as it does, it's a giant slice of MCU sticking in the middle of Spidey's home city.



Rhodey was on the case. Thor was defending the Nine Realms, Cap and Nat were probably on a mission with Shield, Barton was with his family and Bruce was probably in hiding.

Rhodey doesn't count because he is in Iron Man supporting character. In regards to the others, it's never outright stated where they are. There is a giant gap between Iron Man 3 and Captain America The Winter Soldier. Why didn't Steve get involved? We're not always going to get an explanation why character X was not at an event. Sometimes a character just doesn't show up. Marvel Comics sometimes would mention why some characters are not in a given place, but they don't run down the whole got one of the entire Marvel Universe. You can't account for the absence of like 40 superheroes. Why doesn't Spider-Man show up for a battle? Because he wasn't there. It's a simple explanation

 

[Galactus123]

They might get rid of the high tech suit because that is a direct reference to MCU. I'm not getting my hopes up yet. Sony and Disney might still make a deal.

 

[The Infernal]

The difficulty is that the world that Spidey lives in is a post-snap world. Everyone has been affected by that. Do they never address that again?

If I'm lucky, lol. That aspect of FFH was such millenial nonsense how it was written.

If they featured Vulture again, is his motivation different now? He was driven by feeling hard done by Stark. Same with Mysterio, if he's even alive.

Good question. Stark's out of the picture either way and his defeat at Peter's hands would have changed his focus anyway.

Also, who is financing Spider-Man's suit now? How does he get all the tech? Will he have to be a very different Spider-Man to the previous MCU films?

Yeah. That's a point I didn't really enjoy about mcu Spider-man. It really did undermine him to have his suit and tech just be gifts from Stark. Especially a satellite full of military drones. **** me, that was a stupid plot point. lol

Plus there will be characters like Happy that might make things feel off if they were are gone with no explanation, but still not world breaking.

 

[The Infernal]

These are questions only Fanboys will care about

It depends. We don't need to relive Uncle Ben's death, but we do need to see his message of great responsibility drives Peter Parker, whether he continues in the mcu or not. I think Marvel made a boneheaded error in trying to replace Uncle Ben with Tony Stark as the message isn't quite the same, but FFH's creatives seemed a little too proud of that fact post Endgame and Far From Home.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I am grateful we had Spidey in the MCU for Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame, and two solo movies. I’m not sure what else you could do with Spidey besides the obvious Fantastic Four buddy up with Johnny Storm/Daredevil/etc

I’m excited to see Tom Holland go toe to toe and hopefully even team up with Tom Hardy as Venom vs Carnage.

I’m still hopeful that both Sony and Disney will realize their mistakes and will re negotiate a deal in the future. Disney is gonna buy up all the studios anyhow including the DC properties. Resistance is futile.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Why are people talking about another reboot? There's no way Sony is letting Holland or the core cast go anywhere. He's way too popular.

They'll probably just go ahead and do ''Kraven's Last Hunt'' with Watts for Spider-Man 3, removing any extraneous MCU details.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

How does Peter suddenly go from feeling remorse for Tony Stark's death to feeling that for Uncle Ben who died years ago? Does he never mention Uncle Ben at all? Or does he mention him now, as if he's suddenly become a more prominent and influential figure in Peter's life?

And if he was so significant all along, then why did he never mention him at all while in the MCU? Where does this suddenly yearning for his uncle come from?

Will he be forbidden from even mentioning Tony, I wonder? Regardless, he'll have had two movies to cope by the time the deal expires, so I don't think it's necessary to bring up again and again.

As for why Uncle Ben would suddenly become important again...that's easy. Just have Peter finally discover the identity and location of Uncle Ben's murderer. Old wounds are opened and Peter for the first time has to struggle with a desire to kill someone.

So Peter will never mention traveling to space, meeting Doctor Strange, the Guardians, fighting the battle of all battles to save life itself from Thanos? You'd sort of expect those experiences to make an impression on a 15 year old kid from Queens

And never mention Tony again?

Will Stark Tower suddenly disappear from New York's skyline?

And I suppose the next time there's a big battle in New York, Peter will sleep in?

He doesn't need to mention them when it isn't relevant to mention them, anyway. There are decades of superhero stories where absolutely no reference to a shared universe is made.

And we don't know if Spider-man is barred from ever appearing in Avengers again. The next Avengers movie is a long way away. Disney and Marvel could still work out a deal specifically for Avengers.

Bruce was probably in hiding.

He was Stark's shrink in the post credits. And we learn in AoU that he was doing regular missions as the Hulk.

 

[Zarex]

Why are people talking about another reboot? There's no way Sony is letting Holland or the core cast go anywhere. He's way too popular.

If Holland's deal is for 6 flicks, which was rumored when the deal was first announced, he's only got one more to go. And if he's steamed over losing his Avengers ID card he could refuse to extend. If that's the case I could see Avi and Tom hiring someone else and going full reboot.

They'll probably just go ahead and do ''Kraven's Last Hunt'' with Watts for Spider-Man 3, removing any extraneous MCU details.

Doing Kraven's Last Hunt as your first story is like turning the final battle between Superman and Batman into an initial meet and greet. That would be a TERRIBLE idea. But not a suprising one for the Arad-Rothman dream team.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

God those next spider man movies are going to be terrible.

Rothman, Pascal & arad *barf*

 

[Spider-Fan]

If Holland's deal is for 6 flicks, which was rumored when the deal was first announced, he's only got one more to go. And if he's steamed over losing his Avengers ID card he could refuse to extend. If that's the case I could see Avi and Tom hiring someone else and going full reboot.



Doing Kraven's Last Hunt as your first story is like turning the final battle between Superman and Batman into an initial meet and greet. That would be a TERRIBLE idea. But not a suprising one for the Arad-Rothman dream team.

I actually don't expect Holland to leave after 1 movie. Like others have pointed out there's the Uncharted movie he's doing for Sony as well. What I see happening is him getting a boatload of cash to sign a new contract with Sony. I think Sony is going to offer him basically whatever it takes to keep him

 

[TheFuture]

Sony will just pull some Madam Webb crap that will transfer Peter to Venom's universe before Carnage destroys everything. That way they avoid any awks lingering MCU issues. I can't fathom the cringe of it.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Honestly Holland is 24 next summer so they should just jump to college Peter anyway. That whole high school thing was a good idea but they didn't really use it well plus the era of hs rom-coms was basically 1995-2008 or so. Webb tried it and it was quite pointless, Feige tried it so they could mention Hughes and so but honestly... Let Peter grow.

Yeah, thats plausible.

 

[Zarex]

I actually don't expect Holland to leave after 1 movie. Like others have pointed out there's the Uncharted movie he's doing for Sony as well. What I see happening is him getting a boatload of cash to sign a new contract with Sony. I think Sony is going to offer him basically whatever it takes to keep him

Rothman digging deep into his wallet to pay for a super hero flick ain't exactly his M.O. He's the guy who killed off the X-Men franchise after TLS because of rising costs, and I'm sure he's aware that the Spidey series is likely to take a significant dip as it moves over to the Venomverse. If Rothman is arrogant enough to think he can go it alone without the MCU - and he is - he's arrogant enough to think he can recast Holland.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Rothman digging deep into his wallet to pay for a super hero flick ain't exactly his M.O. He's the guy who killed off the X-Men franchise after TLS because of rising costs, and I'm sure he's aware that the Spidey series is likely to take a significant dip as it moves over to the Venomverse. If Rothman is arrogant enough to think he can go it alone without the MCU - and he is - he's arrogant enough to think he can recast Holland.

The X-Men series never was making this kind of money. I think that they will want to preserve Spider-Man's status to the best degree possible. That means keeping Tom Holland. Yeah I'm sure Tom Rothman may think he could make Spider-Man movies without Tom Holland, but even he I think would recognize a new Spider-Man would mean lower profits for the company. This isn't a case like the X-Men also that can have a rotating roster. I also would point out the landscape of the comic book movie was much different back then

Also to add to the above post, did he not give Hugh Jackman a fairly big raise to keep him as Wolverine?

 

[Schlosser85]

Actually I would say it's a big step down to lose out on being part of the MCU to get to co-star with Tom Hardy's crappy D-list Venom.

 

[Schlosser85]

I don't blame Tom Hardy, his hamfest performance salvaged some scrap of entertainment value. But the movie itself is a hot mess that feels like it belongs in the '90s, and beneath the MCU.

 

[OB12]

I don't blame Tom Hardy, his hamfest performance salvaged some scrap of entertainment value. But the movie itself is a hot mess that feels like it belongs in the '90s, and beneath the MCU.

I have not seen Venom, but my feeling, based upon general reception, is that it owes its success to a good design, Tom Hardy, and nostalgia from 30-somethings who thought Venom was cool in the 90s. I hope that Sony is not banking on that continuing to fuel success.

 

[MadVillainy]

I'm very interested how Venom 2 performs. I just can't see it grossing near the first one unless it's radically better...which it won't be

 

[Schlosser85]

I have not seen Venom, but my feeling, based upon general reception, is that it owes its success to a good design, Tom Hardy, and nostalgia from 30-somethings who thought Venom was cool in the 90s. I hope that Sony is not banking on that continuing to fuel success.

And I feel like they are. I think Venom inexplicably making $800 million has made them overconfident of not needing the MCU.

 

[OB12]

And I feel like they are. I think Venom inexplicably making $800 million has made them overconfident of not needing the MCU.

Right, I don't think the fans are going to come back in droves for more Venom as it is. Some people (not me) will be intrigued by Spidey and Venom together, so Sony may see modest success from that, but I think Feige knows they have the leverage. Marvel Studios has so many varied franchises with different stories to tell. Sony has a limited scope and I think for the most part the fans want to see Spidey interact with the MCU.

 

[shinlyle]

Right, I don't think the fans are going to come back in droves for more Venom as it is. Some people (not me) will be intrigued by Spidey and Venom together, so Sony may see modest success from that, but I think Feige knows they have the leverage. Marvel Studios has so many varied franchises with different stories to tell. Sony has a limited scope and I think for the most part the fans want to see Spidey interact with the MCU.

Exactly!
Spidey has only had movie out since 2002, and he's had 7 live action films and one animated film...plus he's appeared in 3 extra MCU films. That's 10 times Spidey has been on the big screen in 17 years! Batman doesn't have those kind of numbers! The thing that refreshed Spidey for the movie-going public was seeing him interact with other heroes. Spider-Man's solo outing peaked (earning wise) with SM3, and they dropped sharply for 2 movies of a blundered reboot thanks to Sony wanting their own Spider Universe. They rushed it, and they ended up needing the Avengers to save Spider-Man.

Now, it seems they have forgotten that. Sony is, for the most part, incapable of making a good decision with their Spidey movies. MC and FFH were crazy profitable, and that was thanks to that MCU cannon. Venom was profitable mainly because Hardy rocked the role and made it his own. While not a great movie by any means, it works as a fun little guilty pleasure movie. It's enjoyable, and it earned some goodwill, but I don't know how a sequel will do. With Spider-Verse (The best Spidey movie ever), they seem to have let the directors do their own thing and NOT get involved, which is wher ethey screwed over Raimi back in the day. No one expected it to be THAT well received or profitable, but it was. Now, Sony is coming off of a 4 Spidey film winning streak and an Oscar. They are getting a little big for their breeches, and it's going to blow up in their face...since they are failing to see that Disney is on a 22 film MCU winning streak. Their 4 movies haven't outgrossed Disney's last 2 MCU films....in fact, it hasn't outgrossed their last 1 MCU film. Of course, that film is Endgame...
It's like a rookie having a good series and telling Babe Ruth how to hit a home run. "Shut up, kid! I'm the BABE!"

 

[Frodo]

Both sides have some amount of leverage to walk away.

Spiderman was a successful franchise long before there even was an MCU, and with an Oscar Winning Into the Spiderverse and a hit in Venom , its harder to tell Sony that they can't succeed without Marvel. If this were 2014 , the conversation would have been different . But going into 2020, Sony is in a much stronger state with the Spiderman franchise, even though that stronger state has alot to do with Disney's help.

Sony may have one property, but its an extremely successful property that was successful before anyone ever thought of the idea of a comicbook cinematic universe. Hence ,Sony may not feel like it has to bend as drastically as Disney wants.

At the same time, Disney/Marvel made them a billion dollars, and have arguably made the most financially successful Spiderman films to date. This Spiderman's connection to the MCU has been basically universally accepted and praised.

The MCU also doesn't need Spiderman if we're talking about moving forward with the universe in general. In other words, Spiderman doesn't effect GOTG 3, Black Panther 2, Captain Marvel 2, F4, X Men etc.

So that's why we're at a stalemate. Both studios are in strong positions from their standpoints , and truthfully both can survive without each other and be successful.

But the current partnership is really good and that'd be alot of money for both parties to run away from.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Is it safe to assume Alan Horne is the negotiator? He's starting to lose the plot