Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[guyisnotcool]

Venom had an Into the Spider-Verse preview. Think Into the Spider-Verse will have one from Far From Home? They can probably edit some decent footage by December.

 

[GuestStar2004]

To be fair kravens last hunt doesn't need to follow the book that much. you could take a couple of threads from it and thats it.

I think this is the thing people tend to get all wrapped up in when really they don't adapt that much from the books

 

[ehh]

But why not just use Kraven as a villain in the third Spider-Man film? Why make a Kraven movie that features Spider-Man?

Ugh, Sony...

 

[Spider-Fan]

But why not just use Kraven as a villain in the third Spider-Man film? Why make a Kraven movie that features Spider-Man?

Ugh, Sony...

That could be Marvel's call. If they do a 3rd MCU film for Holland, maybe they just don't want to use Kraven. So by that logic, Kraven is just kind of on the shelf doing nothing really. Why not use him somehow if Marvel isn't? I can see the logic in that regard. I am iffy on the prospect of Kraven as a solo movie, but if they're to make his movie, I do think KLH and him actually hunting Spider-Man is about the only route they can go and make it sort of work. While I am iffy on the Kraven movie, I do recognize the list of people Sony can base solos off of is limited. Unconventional choices are going to have to be made to create some IPs if they're to do this.

We can argue all day and night about why Sony is being stupid and if this universe can work. But the thing is this universe is happening whether fans want it to or not. If Sony can produce good films, ultimately I won't care if some characters I question get movies. But I do not want a giant string of movies no better than Venom. I had fun with Venom (despite it being a stupid movie). Not every film Sony makes will be that lucky. They need stronger scripts and to let the filmmakers actually do their jobs. My biggest worry is Sony basically has to stop operating like they have been for years now, and I obviously have my doubts they will. But if something like Kraven turns out awesome, I will be the first to praise it.

 

[2kt09]

But why not just use Kraven as a villain in the third Spider-Man film? Why make a Kraven movie that features Spider-Man?

Ugh, Sony...

Because the Last Hunt story is eerily similar to a pre-existing BP movie. If Killmonger was the standout, here's a "Killmonger" movie.

 

[ehh]

That could be Marvel's call. If they do a 3rd MCU film for Holland, maybe they just don't want to use Kraven. So by that logic, Kraven is just kind of on the shelf doing nothing really. Why not use him somehow if Marvel isn't? I can see the logic in that regard. I am iffy on the prospect of Kraven as a solo movie, but if they're to make his movie, I do think KLH and him actually hunting Spider-Man is about the only route they can go and make it sort of work. While I am iffy on the Kraven movie, I do recognize the list of people Sony can base solos off of is limited. Unconventional choices are going to have to be made to create some IPs if they're to do this.

We can argue all day and night about why Sony is being stupid and if this universe can work. But the thing is this universe is happening whether fans want it to or not. If Sony can produce good films, ultimately I won't care if some characters I question get movies. But I do not want a giant string of movies no better than Venom. I had fun with Venom (despite it being a stupid movie). Not every film Sony makes will be that lucky. They need stronger scripts and to let the filmmakers actually do their jobs. My biggest worry is Sony basically has to stop operating like they have been for years now, and I obviously have my doubts they will. But if something like Kraven turns out awesome, I will be the first to praise it.

If Marvel does not want to use Kraven for a third film, or anytime in the near future, then I guess I wouldn't blame sony for trying to give him a movie.

But then the only confusing part is the inclusion of Spider-Man in the Kraven film. Is it going to be Tom Holland, or a completely different Spider-Man? Or are they going to just remove Spider-Man out of the MCU? If that's the case, then why not move forward with a Spider-Man movie with Kraven as the villain?

It's all so bizarre and confusing...

Now Sony DID get lucky with Venom and there is no denying that. But if the movies don't improve, I think we will see the box office results decline. Maybe I'm wrong and people will just come and see every Sony spin-off movie and they will all be moderate successes.

 

[ehh]

I guess these are all of the possibilities:

1. Tom Holland's Spider-Man is put into the Kraven film and removed from the MCU.
2. Tom Holland's Spider-Man is put into the Kraven film but continues to make MCU appearances.
3. Tom Holland's Spider-Man continues to exist in the MCU, and the version of Spider-Man in the Kraven film and other Sony movies is played by a different actor, or may not be Peter Parker at all.
4. The Kraven movie will not include Spider-Man at all and this was just speculation or a wish from the writer.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Maybe the issue is more they don't wanna have 2 solo spider-man films going at the same time. Maybe you can use spider-man but only in a way that feels different enough like with Into the spiderverse.

 

[ehh]

Maybe the issue is more they don't wanna have 2 solo spider-man films going at the same time. Maybe you can use spider-man but only in a way that feels different enough.

I was thinking of this as well. If that's the case, Spider-Man would really just be making an appearance in the Kraven film, but he would not be a major part of the movie in general. 90% of that focus would be on Kraven.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If Marvel does not want to use Kraven for a third film, or anytime in the near future, then I guess I wouldn't blame sony for trying to give him a movie.

But then the only confusing part is the inclusion of Spider-Man in the Kraven film. Is it going to be Tom Holland, or a completely different Spider-Man? Or are they going to just remove Spider-Man out of the MCU? If that's the case, then why not move forward with a Spider-Man movie with Kraven as the villain?

It's all so bizarre and confusing...

Now Sony DID get lucky with Venom and there is no denying that. But if the movies don't improve, I think we will see the box office results decline. Maybe I'm wrong and people will just come and see every Sony spin-off movie and they will all be moderate successes.

I think the majority of their movies will be moderately budgeted, so they can live off smaller returns for things like Morbius, etc. Even Kraven can be mostly moderate budget if Spider-Man is not the main focus. That is definitely one way their limiting their risk. But even still, those BO profits won't be maximized if the movies stay at low to decent quality. Even if they remain profitable.

As for why not remove him from the MCU, my current theory is Sony will try to get Holland for Kraven and keep him in the MCU. Try to get this to be an off-shoot off the MCU and bank of its success. They will have to negotiate a renewal post FFH, so the timing of Kraven and those talks makes sense. If they pull him from the MCU, then Kraven could be a logical choice for a new Spidey solo. But I think they're going to focus on Plan A for the time being since they cannot develop a new Spidey solo until after FFH.

 

[ehh]

I think the majority of their movies will be moderately budgeted, so they can live off smaller returns for things like Morbius, etc. Even Kraven can be mostly moderate budget if Spider-Man is not the main focus. That is definitely one way their limiting their risk. But even still, those BO profits won't be maximized if the movies stay at low to decent quality. Even if they remain profitable.

As for why not remove him from the MCU, my current theory is Sony will try to get Holland for Kraven and keep him in the MCU. Try to get this to be an off-shoot off the MCU and bank of its success. They will have to negotiate a renewal post FFH, so the timing of Kraven and those talks makes sense. If they pull him from the MCU, then Kraven could be a logical choice for a new Spidey solo. But I think they're going to focus on Plan A for the time being since they cannot develop a new Spidey solo until after FFH.

Based on what Amy Pascal has said about these movies being "adjunct" to Spider-Man and the MCU, I feel like this may be a possibility. They may very well attempt to have Spider-Man show up in their movies but let Marvel make the solo titles for them. I don't know if they will agree to that or not, but I guess anything is possible.

It would probably be treated as the Marvel netflix shows and how limited their relationship is to the MCU theatrical films. The only difference here is that we would have a character appearing in both universes, essentially "crossing over."

 

[Spider-Fan]

Based on what Amy Pascal has said about these movies being "adjunct" to Spider-Man and the MCU, I feel like this may be a possibility. They may very well attempt to have Spider-Man show up in their movies but let Marvel make the solo titles for them. I don't know if they will agree to that or not, but I guess anything is possible.

It would probably be treated as the Marvel netflix shows and how limited their relationship is to the MCU theatrical films. The only difference here is that we would have a character appearing in both universes, essentially "crossing over."

Given past statements by Sony and hearing things like they'd be happy to have an Avenger or 2 cameo in their spin-off films, I think this is Sony's eventual play. Whether Disney/Marvel Studios will allow that or not is another question entirely.

 

[ehh]

Given past statements by Sony and hearing things like they'd be happy to have an Avenger or 2 cameo in their spin-off films, I think this is Sony's eventual play. Whether Disney/Marvel Studios will allow that or not is another question entirely.

Hopefully Amy doesn't throw another sandwich at Kevin.

Her wording is what gets to me, especially when she says "a deal like this may never happen again" or something like that.

 

[Iceman]

If the films were top quality I really wouldn't mind Sony doing this stuff in or out of the MCU.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Marvel Studios just needs to buy Sony out. Retain the rights. **** Sony over. Sorry not sorry but Venom could've been 10x better and I'll even admit now that "Amazing Spider-Man 2" has too many tonal shifts and problems going for it. I've been saying it for days but get rid of the hacks in charge of the Spider-Man Universe at Sony that gave us an all right "Spider-Man 3", a fun and entertaining but still could've been better "Amazing Spider-Man" and a mediocre "Amazing Spider-Man 2" and now "Venom", why should we the fans let alone audiences trust them they'll get it right again with Morbius or Kraven the Hunter?

I can't stand listening to Avi Arad drone on any more how he supposedly "loves" these characters. He doesn't understand them. All Arad knows is $$$. How much he can spend it and if he'll get a profitable return. Story? Who cares with him.

At this point, as far as I'm concerned, much like Fox where they'll have a hit X-Men film and then a dud X-Men film--- Marvel Studios is champ and has a proven track record. Even "Thor: The Dark World", "Iron Man 2" and "Iron Man 3" despite being their weakest entries still aren't critical or box-office failures.

It's time all these characters come home which thankfully the X-Men and Fantastic Four are. No more sharing the universe. Marvel Studios and Disney need to make a massive payout and bring the entire Spider-Man universe home or at the very least start purchasing the better heroes and villains before Sony gobbles them up. The Osborns, Gwen Stacy, Felicia Hardy/Black Cat, Kraven the Hunter, Dr. Octopus... all of these need characters need to be under Marvel Studios' watchful eye and care. Get them away from Sony while there's still time.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see Sony selling the rights outright. These movies are obviously a lynch pin in the future of their entire film division. They won't sell them.

 

[I Am The Knight]

They won't sell them and Marvel Studios can only make so many movies.

 

[ehh]

The only scenario in which I can see Sony selling the rights is if they were going bankrupt and had to sell them to stay in business. But I don't think that'll happen in the foreseeable future. Sony doesn't really have any other IPs to use as tentpole films.

 

[GuestStar2004]

They won't sell them and Marvel Studios can only make so many movies.

Funny part if Sony makes a new deal with marvel then we will get a 3rd movie and probably spider-man in ather crossover or 2. and then they would have used spider-man at least 7 or more times, which is about equel to alot of the other heroes at this point. and we have yet to find out the fate of certain original heroes of the MCU.

When it really comes down to it Marvel probably will never touch on alot of the Spider-man-esk stuff. while sony only have spider-man so they will be likely to explore more of it because its all they have.

 

[Mike Murdock]

But why not just use Kraven as a villain in the third Spider-Man film? Why make a Kraven movie that features Spider-Man?

Ugh, Sony...

Even before Homecoming, I was making the argument that the first movie should be the Vulture, the second movie should be Mysterio, and the third movie should be Kraven. I'm not going to claim much credit for being two for two so far; I wanted Vulture, Silvermane, and the Enforcers in the first movie and we got Vulture and the Shocker. I also really, really want Big Wheel in the second movie and I'm not holding my breath on that one.

My pitch was the first movie would sort of go with a youth vs. age theme with the Vulture. The second movie would involve Mysterio trying to make Spider-Man look bad so he could claim credit for himself. In doing so, the New York public would begin to see Spider-Man as a menace. The third movie would have Kraven, learning of this menace named Spider-Man, trying to hunt him down for his own personal glory as well as prize from J. Jonah Jameson.

 

[Iceman]

Great calls if so

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Even before Homecoming, I was making the argument that the first movie should be the Vulture, the second movie should be Mysterio, and the third movie should be Kraven. I'm not going to claim much credit for being two for two so far; I wanted Vulture, Silvermane, and the Enforcers in the first movie and we got Vulture and the Shocker. I also really, really want Big Wheel in the second movie and I'm not holding my breath on that one.

My pitch was the first movie would sort of go with a youth vs. age theme with the Vulture. The second movie would involve Mysterio trying to make Spider-Man look bad so he could claim credit for himself. In doing so, the New York public would begin to see Spider-Man as a menace. The third movie would have Kraven, learning of this menace named Spider-Man, trying to hunt him down for his own personal glory as well as prize from J. Jonah Jameson.

Good stuff. I bet the underground crime world a la Silvermane and Enforcers will start to unfold more as the series go on. That's what I REALLY loved about HOMECOMING was this blackmarket weapons scene. And I, too, thought this trilogy should be Vulch, Mysterio, and Kraven. Although, I thought it might've been Kraven for the sequel, Mysterio for the third.

 

[ehh]

I'm sad that Marvel has not attempted to include J. Jonah Jameson in this series. He's such an iconic character that is incredibly important to the Spider-Man mythos. I wonder if there is a specific reason for his absence?

Spoiler

In Venom, the pilot's name was "Jameson," hinting that he was John Jameson, the son of J. Jonah Jameson. Does Sony want to keep Jonah Jameson for their own universe instead?

 

[Abudefduf]

Wait, who was that user who said that Spidey would have a black and red suit in this movie? Looks like he was right.

EDIT: It was SP1D3YTHW1P. You were right, dude.

 

[ehh]

Wait, who was that user who said that Spidey would have a black and red suit in this movie? Looks like he was right.

EDIT: It was SP1D3YTHW1P. You were right, dude.

Oh cool, looks like they are filming some scenes in Manhattan!