Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Shikamaru]

In that case, why were people crying when Spider-Man turned to dust? Why were people screaming at the movie screen? I actually have NO CLUE why people were sad or yelling at the screen...because death is temporary and it was just a set-up for the return in the next film...so...the people who actually cared about those deaths are...I don't know.

On the surface, the physical symptoms of a heart attack and anxiety attack are the same. Even doctors can't tell at first glance which of the two a person is experiencing until the person is examined in an ER room.

A friend of mine has anxiety he might one day have a heart attack. Why should I be sad when he's distressed and suffering from a high blood pressure and nausea? I mean, he's not actually dying from a heart attack. It's technically just his impression. The next day he's always back to normal.

I mean, you're basically saying you're confused why people care when other people suffer.

 

[CaptainWagner]

In that case, why were people crying when Spider-Man turned to dust? Why were people screaming at the movie screen? I actually have NO CLUE why people were sad or yelling at the screen...because death is temporary and it was just a set-up for the return in the next film...so...the people who actually cared about those deaths are...I don't know.

Why? Because it's a good movie. The snap was well-executed so that even though no one thinks any of the dusted heroes will stay dead, it's still a powerful, emotional moment. Otherwise it's like complaining that the Passion of the Christ isn't authentically tragic because everyone knows Jesus will come back in the end...

 

[Random490]

Plus the Russos knew how to get the most effect from each death. Most of them very strategically placed to get the greatest impact. Cap seeing the last connection to his past disappears, Okoye having the king she swore her life to protect fade from her hands, Tony witnessing a kid who was his responsibility and sees himself it die, and Groot, my god Groot! Just very effective film making.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Ned knows, Stark knows, Aunt May, Vulture and I'm sure MJ knows or will find out. It'll be easy to put two and two together. Especially since the Decathalon was only a handful of students. It could be a situation where they know it's a student at Midtown but don't know who. It's just something that's bugged me since even Homecoming. I'm glad Toomes was able to put two and two together and figure it out.

Don't forget Strange and the Guardians. Well, maybe they don't know his name but he did have his mask off. It's like there's no importance on keeping his identity a secret. It's definitely something that bothered me in the Ultimate line of comics and I don't like it now. Though i did like how Toomes figured it out. That whole scene was gold.

 

[Heretic]

Why? Because it's a good movie. The snap was well-executed so that even though no one thinks any of the dusted heroes will stay dead, it's still a powerful, emotional moment. Otherwise it's like complaining that the Passion of the Christ isn't authentically tragic because everyone knows Jesus will come back in the end...

DUDE! Spoiler tag that! I haven't seen The Passion yet!
/s

It was a well executed, yet incredibly cheap, tactic of playing on the viewer's emotions. I just have seen TOO MANY characters have fake deaths in the MCU for it to work on me anymore. It sucks because I won't give a crap when characters actually do die and those moments will be ruined for me.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Infinity war was the wrong movie to expect all of the deaths to stay permanent. I feel like you set your self up disappointment expecting them to stay dead in that movie. Endgame is where the deaths will count. And if you hate heroes not staying dead comic books and movies might not be your thing. Seeing how being able to tell stories with them for decades is how they make money.

 

[Venom 1988]

DUDE! Spoiler tag that! I haven't seen The Passion yet!
/s

It was a well executed, yet incredibly cheap, tactic of playing on the viewer's emotions. I just have seen TOO MANY characters have fake deaths in the MCU for it to work on me anymore. It sucks because I won't give a crap when characters actually do die and those moments will be ruined for me.

I think you're taking this stuff way too seriously...

 

[Heretic]

I did NOT expect them to stay dead. That's the problem. I NEVER expect them to stay dead, so their "deaths" have no impact on me.

 

[Venom 1988]

I did NOT expect them to stay dead. That's the problem. I NEVER expect them to stay dead, so their "deaths" have no impact on me.

I don't think anyone on this site expected them to actually stay dead. The scene was impactful regardless of what comes next...sorry it didn't work for you but you're in the minority on this one.

 

[Heretic]

I don't think anyone on this site expected them to actually stay dead. The scene was impactful regardless of what comes next...sorry it didn't work for you but you're in the minority on this one.

I'm on a site where people are STILL trying to figure out a way to bring MCU Quicksilver back from the dead...I know I'm in the minority when I think that dead should mean dead.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But again, context matters. Essentially the undoing the snap is basically the same from a narrative standpoint as Marty McFly trying to fix the timeline by having his parents meet and thus ensuring he and his family are not blinked out of existence in Back to the Future. Is death meaningless because he saved Doc Brown from dying? No. That is where I think you're looking at this wrong. You want to look at these deaths and the snap as something like Rachel dying in TDK or Cedric in GoF when that was never the narrative goal.

 

[samsnee]

To me it’s about the journey. I know nothing will be permanent until an actor’s contract expires. If the creative team can hook me in with the characters, the deaths are effective because I feel for the survivors.

I know Spider-man is coming back. But his relationship with Tony, his optimism, his excitement at being an Avenger for real... that is what made his dusting tragic. Because from the viewpoint of the character of Parker, all that is gone (I don’t wanna go...).

 

[Statctide]

In that case, why were people crying when Spider-Man turned to dust? Why were people screaming at the movie screen? I actually have NO CLUE why people were sad or yelling at the screen...because death is temporary and it was just a set-up for the return in the next film...so...the people who actually cared about those deaths are...I don't know.

Mainly because "most" movie goers don't know a lot of the details of the MCU that we do. Most probably don't know how many Spiderman films Tom Holland is signed on to play, or that he was already filming FFH when IW was released, or that Black Panther already has sequals planned.

Movies are just a short term means of entertainment for most. A talking point in discussions for a few days and that's about it. Those of us who do know some of the fine details about the universe are the minority, not the majority.

 

[Heretic]

Mainly because "most" movie goers don't know a lot of the details of the MCU that we do. Most probably don't know how many Spiderman films Tom Holland is signed on to play, or that he was already filming FFH when IW was released, or that Black Panther already has sequals planned.

Movies are just a short term means of entertainment for most. A talking point in discussions for a few days and that's about it. Those of us who do know some of the fine details about the universe are the minority, not the majority.

But I thought that no one expected them to stay dead?

It's neither here nor there. You guys are impacted emotionally by these events, and I'm not. Neither is incorrect. When Tony Stark dies, you guys will feel the full emotional impact of that event, and I'll roll my eyes and wonder when the time machine will show up. That's NOT the way I want to view a movie, so it's not like I'm happy about it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

To me it’s about the journey. I know nothing will be permanent until an actor’s contract expires. If the creative team can hook me in with the characters, the deaths are effective because I feel for the survivors.

I know Spider-man is coming back. But his relationship with Tony, his optimism, his excitement at being an Avenger for real... that is what made his dusting tragic. Because from the viewpoint of the character of Parker, all that is gone (I don’t wanna go...).

Correct. Regardless if you know there will be 500 sequels, the characters in the story don't have that knowledge. You're seeing the world through their eyes. So we know Peter is in Spider-Man: Far From Home. But Peter Parker, the character in IW, doesn't know that. Tony Stark and co don't know the snap can be undone. It's all about experiencing the story. Going on the journey with them. Even if we know an aspect of the destination, we don't know how it will end or the context behind it. There is plenty of journey left to experience.

 

[Statctide]

But I thought that no one expected them to stay dead?

It's neither here nor there. You guys are impacted emotionally by these events, and I'm not. Neither is incorrect. When Tony Stark dies, you guys will feel the full emotional impact of that event, and I'll roll my eyes and wonder when the time machine will show up. That's NOT the way I want to view a movie, so it's not like I'm happy about it.

Then don't go. Easy fix to your whining.

 

[Heretic]

Oh right...I forgot...you either blindly love every aspect of these movies, or you're a whining troll. I forgot how that works.

 

[Thome216]

Who else is anxiously awaiting the news of a Spider Gwen movie?

 

[Statctide]

Who else is anxiously awaiting the news of a Spider Gwen movie?

I wonder which characters might be introduced in FFH that will carry or cross over into the Sony Spiderverse.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Sony spider-verse, Fox had xmen.

 

[Melpardus]

Remember how everyone thought Abraham Attah was going to be Miles Morales in Homecoming? Let's jump that gun again:

Kamala Khan? (Pause at linked timecode.)

 

[ironwez20]

Can’t believe some thought spidey would stay dead or even black panther no less. I mean come on they literally just started. The impact was shocking but everyone knows they’ll come back.

 

[Venom'sDad]

But I thought that no one expected them to stay dead?

It's neither here nor there. You guys are impacted emotionally by these events, and I'm not. Neither is incorrect. When Tony Stark dies, you guys will feel the full emotional impact of that event, and I'll roll my eyes and wonder when the time machine will show up. That's NOT the way I want to view a movie, so it's not like I'm happy about it.

Like you, following the production, I was pretty confident most of these characters wouldn't be deceased long, minus Hemdall; however, I got to say, I was pleasantly surprised I witnessed a live action version of "The Snap". The shock value worked at that moment, even though hours later, i start contemplating what does it really mean moving forward.

Now that's just me, everyone, including yourself, have different opinions or pov what the final result of the snap or other deaths(like Gamoral should result; but, at that very moment, I truely was appalled like Nebula, that he actually did it....and for me, at that moment, it worked. Thats what the Russos was going for, looking to achieve....regardless how temporarily those sudden departures was intended to be.

 

[javonstokess]

Are we still complaining about the "Snapped" characters coming back to life?

Have you guys actually read the Infinity Gauntlet GN...?

 

[Thome216]

They did say some of those who were Snapped were going to stay Snapped. Some will come back, like Spidey and Panther, hopefully Gamora (pleasepleasepleaseplease!) but there is a high likelihood of further deaths in Endgame to 'compensate' for any revivals from IW. I want them all back, but that ain't going to happen!