Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Spider-Fan]

My premise is that May is Peter's Aunt (Mary Parker's sister) and Peter is the son of Ben and Mary. Ben and Mary die in an accident years before Peter gets his powers, and he is trusted to May who becomes his sole guardian

There is nothing that tangibly tells us that Peter had an Uncle or that the he died only 6 months before Homecoming. Peter's character doesn't even reflect that. Feige and the writers are trying their best to disconnect their Spider-man from Uncle Ben completely. So why not do something different? It's not like Uncle Ben was ever mentioned. Only vague nods than can be interpreted in many ways. The established MCU story doesn't go well with the classic origin. Actually, since people dont even want to see the classic origin again, I suggest that either they never ever show Peter's past, or that if they do, make it with a twist

I'm just replying to this with a simple no. There are certain elements of an origin that should be preserved, and Peter's part in the death of his Uncle is essential to the character. As much as Jor-El sending his son to Earth so he doesn't die on Krypton or Bruce Wayne's parents being murdered. Removing that just makes him not Spider-Man to me anymore.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I can't wait to see the Hot Toy

Man, Hot Toys Mysterio will be a must for me. That thing is gonna look gorgeous, hoping the bowl has the smoke inside it like the Funko Pop's.

Yup. I bet all figures will look pretty killer. HT is rad but I can’t justify myself having a 12” doll lol

 

[Nardz937]

That Mysterio Funko is the most dope looking Funko I've ever seen. And I'm usually not a fan of those things. That may be the first one I ever buy.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Their suit game is absolutely on-point, I wouldn't change a thing. The red and black "all-business" look contrasts well with Mysterio's fantastical and smug look

 

[I Am The Knight]

Yup. I bet all figures will look pretty killer. HT is rad but I can’t justify myself having a 12” doll lol

They are only dolls if you play with them

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'm just replying to this with a simple no. There are certain elements of an origin that should be preserved, and Peter's part in the death of his Uncle is essential to the character. As much as Jor-El sending his son to Earth so he doesn't die on Krypton or Bruce Wayne's parents being murdered. Removing that just makes him not Spider-Man to me anymore.

Agreed. Can't believe a Spider-Man fan would want to do away with Uncle Ben?

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Agreed. Can't believe a Spider-Man fan would want to do away with Uncle Ben?

I don't want to do away with Uncle Ben, far from it. Homecoming did away with Uncle Ben. Ben's death was supposed to teach him a lesson about responsibility which defines Peter's mentality going forward, but the way he behaves in the beginning of Homecoming on his video makes him look like he hasn't learned anything

I would've loved Uncle Ben to be a part of this Spider-man. But he isn't and I think it is pretty awkward. Feige saying that Uncle Ben existed is just pretence, because they are not making him relevant in any way and in some instances they went against the point of Uncle Ben completely. This new franchise doesn't care about him. So i guess they can eventually establish their take on Uncle Ben, but it would only serve to make Peter a dumb person who didnt' learn the most important lesson of his life

 

[Spider-Fan]

Peter did learn something from Ben's death even come Homecoming. Why do you think he is Spider-Man? He even references his motivation without naming his uncle in Civil War. Peter is a teenager. He's going to make mistakes and his definition of responsibility will continue to grow. Peter behaving like a teenager doesn't mean he learned nothing from Uncle Ben's death. So Homecoming did away with absolutely nothing.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Peter did learn something from Ben's death even come Homecoming. Why do you think he is Spider-Man? He even references his motivation without naming his uncle in Civil War. Peter is a teenager. He's going to make mistakes and his definition of responsibility will continue to grow. Peter behaving like a teenager doesn't mean he learned nothing from Uncle Ben's death. So Homecoming did away with absolutely nothing.

If Peter is a relatively smart kid for his age and he strives to be responsible, he wouldn't just go to Germany without Tony properly telling him whats up. He literally says "no one has actually told me why I'm in Berlin, or what I'm doing". And then he shoots personal fanboy video in middle of the fight, its like he doesn't even take it seriously. Just because Peter is a teenager that doesn't mean that any type of "teenage behavior" is applicable to his character. There are teens who are more mature and then there are less mature teens. He acts too immature for what his character is supposed to be

Besides, Peter's overall demeanor is closer to an average 12 year old kid

 

[Spider-Fan]

If Peter is a relatively smart kid for his age and he strives to be responsible, he wouldn't just go to Germany without Tony properly telling him whats up. He literally says "no one has actually told me why I'm in Berlin, or what I'm doing". And then he shoots personal fanboy video in middle of the fight, its like he doesn't even take it seriously. Just because Peter is a teenager that doesn't mean that any type of "teenage behavior" is applicable to his character. There are teens who are more mature and then there are less mature teens. He acts too immature for what his character is supposed to be

You act as if Peter never acted like a teenager in the comic books, either. As for why he would go to Germany, Iron Man is a world renowned superhero. Probably his idol, and he is saying he needs his help. I am sure he trusts that Tony is doing the right thing. Even though the events in Civil War show that is not necessarily the case, Peter doesn't know that. He is young and is likely just taking him at face value. None of that means there is no Uncle Ben or whatever. That's a ludicrous leap in logic.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

You act as if Peter never acted like a teenager in the comic books, either. As for why he would go to Germany, Iron Man is a world renowned superhero. Probably his idol, and he is saying he needs his help. I am sure he trusts that Tony is doing the right thing. Even though the events in Civil War show that is not necessarily the case, Peter doesn't know that. He is young and is likely just taking him at face value. None of that means there is no Uncle Ben or whatever. That's a ludicrous leap in logic.

I'm not saying that Peter can't act immature, I'm saying that the ways a teenage person behaves immaturely vary from person to person. And I'm not sure what kind of behavior you mean exactly.

Anyway, if he thinks that Tony is doing the right thing and the mission is important, why is he shooting a personal vlog in middle of his mission? Teenage or not Peter should know that it's obviously irresponsible

I never said that there isn't an Uncle Ben btw, there might've been a misunderstanding. There is technically because Feige has decided so, but they're also not paying due respect to the character because they are afraid to make him relevant after the reboot backlash. Vague nods aren't enough in my opinion, because like you said Ben is the reason he became Spider-man

It would be different if this was college age Peter Parker. For 6 months after spider-bite Peter, Ben should be pretty fresh on the mind

 

[Spider-Fan]

Dude, teenagers do vlogs. Mature ones as well. You're way over analyzing

 

[Web-Head]

If Peter is a relatively smart kid for his age and he strives to be responsible, he wouldn't just go to Germany without Tony properly telling him whats up. He literally says "no one has actually told me why I'm in Berlin, or what I'm doing". And then he shoots personal fanboy video in middle of the fight, its like he doesn't even take it seriously. Just because Peter is a teenager that doesn't mean that any type of "teenage behavior" is applicable to his character. There are teens who are more mature and then there are less mature teens. He acts too immature for what his character is supposed to be

Besides, Peter's overall demeanor is closer to an average 12 year old kid

They went over the top with him being "Just a kid"

"Whoa" "Awesome" "Cool" every other sentence.

Billy Batson in Shazam was more mature than Peter and they're supposed to be about the same age

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Was he more mature? His actions as shazam dont support that. Lol

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Was he more mature? His actions as shazam dont support that. Lol

Billy is definitely more immature, but some of Peter's actions are equally immature. Like vlogging when lives are on the line

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yet he still showed up in a Spider-Man costume ready to do his job.

You're making a mountain out of a mole hill amigo.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Ben Parker is important. That really shouldn't be an issue.

He's only been referenced a few times though the only person who's said anything about him is Peter. Kinda weird that May hasn't said anything.

Also weird, not one person has mentioned him by name.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Not really much of an issue May hasn't mentioned him. People handle grief differently. Maybe for her, it is easier just to try to not think about it.

 

[MrSpyder]

I can't wait to see the Hot Toy

Yeah, we saw the vulture but have yet to purchase it. It looked great but Hot Toys only showed a prototype.

 

[Web-Head]

Was he more mature? His actions as shazam dont support that. Lol

As Billy, I would say so, but there's a big reason why that would be the case.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Anyone else wonders whether we will see him picking up his mask or not? It would be funny if J. Jonah Jameson jr has it on display and Spider-Man picks it out of his office in a manner that startles him, and we see a framed picture of Spider-Man causing something like the ferry damage with a title under it "Spider-Man: Reckless and Dangerous", and picture is credited by Lance Bannon.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Not really much of an issue May hasn't mentioned him. People handle grief differently. Maybe for her, it is easier just to try to not think about it.

While that's true, it felt to me like a piece was missing. I take back what I said about not including Uncle Ben, in hindsight it was a silly idea. I do want something of substance with him in this series. Doesn't have to be a flashback of his death, although quite honestly I really wouldn't mind that, as long as it's tastefully done. Seeing Tom in the wrestling match could be neat as well

As to making making a mountain out of a molehill, I don't think I am and I retain my opinion, but if these elements don't bother you I respect that. In itself I think that starting Homecoming with Peter's personal vlog is a cool idea. I just hate the execution of it. There was potential for something that would've made both of us happy. My changes would've been:

- Sharper dialogue with a dash of wit from Peter
- You can have him vlog at the airport before Tony's cue, but not mid-battle as it's a bit redundant
- instead of saying "nobody has told me what going on" he can instead talk like he has already been briefed on everything and how he is feeling about it
- Slightly toned down performance. Having been a teenage boy myself with teenage friends, in my eyes Peter is acting just a bit over the top and unrealistic. He can act excited for sure, but most teenage boys I know would still try to keep their cool to a certain extent.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Not really much of an issue May hasn't mentioned him. People handle grief differently. Maybe for her, it is easier just to try to not think about it.

That's a nice sentiment. I highly doubt the writers were thinking of May's plan for dealing with grief when it came to not having her speak of her husband.

There were many opportunities to have her drop just a simple line that wouldn't have robbed the movie of the 'fun' vibe. Like when Peter returns home from the ferry scene and tells May about losing the Stark internship..."Ben would have been so proud of you Peter." Easy peasy. And imo it would have made that moment in the film resonate--a greater emotional impact if you will.

Still not sure why Ben's name hasn't been mentioned.

He's an important part of the mythos...I'd like to see FFH take a moment to truly acknowledge this outside of a brief no name mention/reference.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

That's a nice sentiment. I highly doubt the writers were thinking of May's plan for dealing with grief when it came to not having her speak of her husband.

There were many opportunities to have her drop just a simple line that wouldn't have robbed the movie of the 'fun' vibe. Like when Peter returns home from the ferry scene and tells May about losing the Stark internship..."Ben would have been so proud of you Peter." Easy peasy. And imo it would have made that moment in the film resonate--a greater emotional impact if you will.

Still not sure why Ben's name hasn't been mentioned.

He's an important part of the mythos...I'd like to see FFH take a moment to truly acknowledge this outside of a brief no name mention/reference.

Fair, dude.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

the key to making good MCU Spider-man solo movies is to not focus on the MCU angle. Far From Home can still fix this, the inclusion of Nick Fury isn't that bad. Spider-man can meet other MCU heroes in group movies, but meanwhile I want the solo films to be purely his domain. Also I would hard cut the MCU references to a bare minimum