Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Spider-Fan]

Yeah, I still can’t believe we got Jake, and for such an interesting villain.

I wish they would unleash the real Zendaya, who I think could play a legit MJ. This sarcasm one-note character is not that appealing so far.

To be fair, she wasn't in Homecoming much. I think she will be improved in this movie with some actual screen time and more plot relevance.

 

[Iceman]

I'm guessing she will be unleashed in the third movie?

She better! Why wait so long?!

 

[Iceman]

To be fair, she wasn't in Homecoming much. I think she will be improved in this movie with some actual screen time and more plot relevance.

Hope so. I think Zendaya can make a good MJ when the shackles come off.

 

[I Am The Knight]

She better! Why wait so long?!

I dunno. I really hope she goes MJ soon

 

[Abudefduf]

Given that, I'm sure people would still complain.

Rightfully so. Imagine how many little children all over the universe died when Thanos killed their parents. Or how many parents took their lives after seeing their children turn to dust.

How would all the resurrected people react if someone told them that they'll never see their loved ones again because Tony Stark (and the rest of the Avengers) thought the life of his daughter was worth more than the lives of billions?

Nah, this is something that needs to be addressed. Marvel should just confirm that when Hulk used the Infinity Stones again, the people who died in the aftermath of the Snap were also brought back. That would solve every problem.

 

[Invader Joker]

Rightfully so. Imagine how many little children all over the universe died when Thanos killed their parents. Or how many parents took their lives after seeing their children turn to dust.

How would all the resurrected people react if someone told them that they'll never see their loved ones again because Tony Stark (and the rest of the Avengers) thought the life of his daughter was worth more than the lives of billions?

Nah, this is something that needs to be addressed. Marvel should just confirm that when Hulk used the Infinity Stones again, the people who died in the aftermath of the Snap were also brought back. That would solve every problem.

Loved ones don't usually come back from the death.

They'd still be thankful.

 

[Abudefduf]

They'd still be thankful.

Not if they knew that the Avengers had the power and the chance to resurrect them, but didn't. Which appears to be the case until confirmed otherwise.

Look, it's not my fault that Endgame was written by monkeys. The movie raised a lot of questions that need to be answered. Hopefully FFH will answer some of them

 

[Lencho01]

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Rightfully so. Imagine how many little children all over the universe died when Thanos killed their parents. Or how many parents took their lives after seeing their children turn to dust.

How would all the resurrected people react if someone told them that they'll never see their loved ones again because Tony Stark (and the rest of the Avengers) thought the life of his daughter was worth more than the lives of billions?

Nah, this is something that needs to be addressed. Marvel should just confirm that when Hulk used the Infinity Stones again, the people who died in the aftermath of the Snap were also brought back. That would solve every problem.

All gods have those that dissent and struggle against them. As the biggest hero ever, for those who don't believe in a literal Genesis creation story, Tony Stark's memory would have some people angry. But how much screen time is that worth?

 

[antsman41]

He puts more emotion into this gif (let alone his other appearances) than Asa has done in every single film he’s acted in. So lucky we have him.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Why is he not wearing the mask while in public?

 

[Nemeres]

I'm curious about Mysterio. I was pretty ready for the "embittered Hollywood SFX technician who creates dangerous illusions" version, as it would've been a new kind of Spidey villain and it's less "cosmic" fare, but they seem to have re-envisioned him as more of an Iron Man/Dr Strange-esque ray thrower. What he does have going for him is the multiverse angle, which feels intriguing. And being played by Gyllenhaal. I'm hoping for something cool.

 

[Abudefduf]

All gods have those that dissent and struggle against them. As the biggest hero ever, for those who don't believe in a literal Genesis creation story, Tony Stark's memory would have some people angry. But how much screen time is that worth?

Look, I just want someone from Marvel (the Russos, Markus & McFeely, a fictional character, I don't care who) to explicitly confirm that the people who died during the five years before the events of Endgame were brought back along with the Snap victims. I don't think it's too much to ask.

Because right now it's unclear if they were and it's bothering the hell out of me. No one would consider Iron Man a hero if they knew the truth.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes they still would. No matter how you slice it, everyone owes 50% of the universe to him. Even if those people stayed dead, there is definitely a lot to be grateful for. I highly doubt anyone is ever going to touch on that plot point, and honestly, I don't think it matters ultimately. There will never be an answer to every little question about how it all worked.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I don’t really care about all these little plot holes and so on. Honestly it’s a comic book movie. Some of the time travel stuff didn’t make sense and asking for every single question to be answered is a bit much. As comic fans we are used to questions being left unanswered and plot devices not making sense. It’s kind of a way of life for us. For me personally it doesn’t take away from the enjoyment of the ride lol.

 

[Abudefduf]

Yes they still would. No matter how you slice it, everyone owes 50% of the universe to him.

Tell that to Zemo. He didn't seem to care about the world, he only cared about his family.

The Avengers may have just created thousands of Zemos. Seriously, why wouldn't the Avengers bring back everyone? They had the stones, they could've done it. And maybe they did, but Endgame didn't show it.

Again, I just need someone from Marvel to gently caress my head and tell me "Yes, they did bring everyone back. Because they're not morons."

 

[Spider-Fan]

Tell that to Zemo. He didn't seem to care about the world, he only cared about his family.

The Avengers may have just created thousands of Zemos. Seriously, why wouldn't the Avengers bring back everyone? They had the stones, they could've done it. And maybe they did, but Endgame didn't show it.

They couldn't bring everyone back. Hulk himself says he tried bringing one person who was dead back, and he couldn't. The stones don't work that way. The people who were snapped were done in by the stones, and thus it could be reversed. Anyone who died between died like anyone else. There is no preventing that.

Tony clearly cared about the world because he died fighting to restore them.

 

[Abudefduf]

It was never said that the stones cannot bring people who weren't killed by them back. Natasha doesn't count, she killed herself to retrieve the Soul stone. Or at least that's how I understood it.

EDIT: And seriously, I don't get how you guys can say this is irrelevant. If billions of people are still dead, the entire universe should be in mourning. It is a big deal.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They never said that the stones cannot bring people who weren't killed by them back. Natasha doesn't count, she killed herself to retrieve the Soul stone. Or at least that's how I understood it.

I honestly don't know why you're so hung up on this, but think of the movie's logic on present vs past. The people who died are present day dead. Therefore, you'd have to bring back their past self. That would create branch dimensions, etc. The logic doesn't work given how the movie explains things.

Regardless of how many people died in that period everyone was gone, the world would not have half the UNIVERSE if not for the Avengers. Plainly put, anyone butt hurt they did it this way simply is an idiot. Any rational person is chalking that up to a win. Would you rather lose both your steak and fries, or would you be grateful someone gave you back your steak without the fries? Would there be some Zemos? Sure, but every place has morons.

 

[shabadoo25]

Tell that to Zemo. He didn't seem to care about the world, he only cared about his family.

The Avengers may have just created thousands of Zemos. Seriously, why wouldn't the Avengers bring back everyone? They had the stones, they could've done it. And maybe they did, but Endgame didn't show it.

Again, I just need someone from Marvel to gently caress my head and tell me "Yes, they did bring everyone back. Because they're not morons."

Nah. Much as they used the Sokovia disaster to create Zemo's motivation, they could use snap bad ramifications to power another movie.

 

[Abudefduf]

I honestly don't know why you're so hung up on this, but think of the movie's logic on present vs past. The people who died are present day dead. Therefore, you'd have to bring back their past self. That would create branch dimensions, etc.

No, you'd only have to resurrect them with the stones. They're the Infinity Stones, they can do literally anything. I refuse to believe that the Avengers didn't think of it, that would be a humongous oversight.

"Whoops, we could've resurrected more people but we kind of forgot about them, oh well! Who cares, they were all NPCs anyway."

 

[Spider-Fan]

No, you'd only have to resurrect them with the stones. They're the Infinity Stones, they can do literally anything. I refuse to believe that the Avengers didn't think of it, that would be a humongous oversight.

"Whoops, we could've resurrected more people but we kind of forgot about them, oh well! Who cares, they were all NPCs anyway."

The stones were heavily depowered vs the comics version of the gauntlet. Godlike power still has limits.

But once again, I point to the fact that the universe got half of everyone back. That's a win, no matter how you slice it. Arguing otherwise is foolish.

 

[Kev4000]

 

[Abudefduf]

The stones were heavily depowered vs the comics version of the gauntlet. Godlike power still has limits.

The stones are as powerful as the writers want them to be. I don't see why they wouldn't be capable of resurrecting people. That'd be so random.

But once again, I point to the fact that the universe got half of everyone back. That's a win, no matter how you slice it. Arguing otherwise is foolish.

But billions of people are still dead, making the universe a really messed up place right now, and it's all the Avengers' fault because they didn't use the stones correctly.

"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."

 

[Spider-Fan]

The stones are as powerful as the writers want them to be. I don't see why they wouldn't be capable of resurrecting people. That seems so random.

But billions of people are still dead, making the universe a really messed up place right now, and it's all the Avengers' fault because they didn't use the stones correctly.

"When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you."

I'm not entertaining this argument further because I find this mentality to be all kinds of wrong. Basically, it is an ungrateful mentality your showcasing here. Everyone snapped could still be dead if not for the Avengers. If you're not happy getting all the loved ones back you lost 5 years ago, then I cannot help you. You simply cannot be happy at that point. Sorry.

Why don't we get back to Spider-Man