Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

I have faith a deal will get done. I think at this point both Marvel and Sony are trying to bluff the other to see who folds first. Spider-Man out of the MCU is more hurtful to Sony than it is to Marvel, but Marvel put all their chips in on Spider-Man being the face of the MCU going forward. I expect there to be a bit more "rumors" of he said, she said and all will be fine before the end of the year.
 
People are overreacting. Sony and Disney will meet somewhere in the middle.
 
Not bothered by it. the BEST Spider-Man film of the year was ENTIRELY produced by Sony. It even won an Oscar.The ONLY Spider_Man film to do so.
 
Let's be clear about a few things. First off this isn't quite over yet. This dispute has been brewing for a quite a while, well priori to FFH hitting theaters and the only reason why it's public now is because one of the parties involved (I'm assuming Sony based on how the story is being framed) is trying to make the other cave or lower its ambitions. It absolutely doesn't mean that talks aren't still ongoing and that things won't resolve themselves a few months down the line.

That being said, this is a tough situation. The fact is that there are a few hardliners at Columbia Pictures who opposed the original deal and are still thinking that they would be better off cutting ties with Disney. On the other side there are people at Disney objecting to the fact that Marvel is putting the bulk of the work on these films without seeing much profit going back to the studio (although they make money from other venues, these go to different divisions). Basically they feel that they are devoting too many ressources and manpower for what they deem in the end to be a limited ROI.

So where do we go from there ? The thing is the status of the Holland led sub-franchise might be in limbo at the moment with some people speculating that there are kinks in the original deal preventing Sony from going solo with this version of the character. It's obviously not clear cut but I think it's something that we should keep in mind moving forward. In any case cutting ties with the MCU is a death sentence for the franchise wether they reboot or not. A slow one maybe but a death sentence nonetheless.

Marvel Studios has been pretty consistent at showing how success breeds success. There's simply no way that Far From Home would have reached its current numbers if it wasn't for the character's appearances in Infinity War and Endgame. Sony doesn't have that. They do not have vehicles to propel their own movies to such heights. They tried and failed, quite miserably I might add, at that in the past. Separating Spider-Man from the larger MCU is again going down the road of the type of diminishing returns that led them to make a deal in the first place. Which is probably why they are testing waters by going public with the dispute.

And that is not even accounting for how petty Disney can be. They have the resources and content to basically bury any forthcoming Spider-Man movie and the ability to suffocate the property through the rights they still hold (which oddly enough still includes video games so I guess we might kiss a sequel to the Insomniac game goodbye if the deal isn't renewed). They can be pesky enough to open a Pixar juggernaut, one of their blockbuster live-action remakes or even another Marvel property day and date against a Spider-Man film, shake off the dent, and injure the competition in the process.

Now this isn't saying that "losing" Spider-Man isn't going to be an issue for Marvel and I cannot even begin to imagine how they will manage to phase out the character in a way that makes sense (although apparently they have a contingency plan for that that dates back to when the first deal was cut) but the MCU will go on and thrive in spite of (or somehow because of) the inevitable bumps on the road. The same cannot be said for whatever Sony has in store for the character in the future
 
I think they would explain his absence in the MCU by just never mentioning him
 
Yeah,they could easily just drop mentioning him. Spidey doesn't have much of a relationship with the rest of the heroes outside of Tony anyway.
 
Once again, while Sony may be stupid more often than not this does not seem like it was entirely their fault as the new proposed deal apparently was not in their favor nor very fair.

Looks like I may have spouted off to soon. Fifty percent of the profits is nothing but pure greed from Disney. It does seem that negotiations are still ongoing as well, so it'll be interesting to see if Disney was bluffing or not.

Also, the more I think about it, the less opposed I am to Spidey no longer being in the MCU. If Tom stays Spider-man, I'd be kind of down for a soft reboot type of deal. Sony has a questionable track record, but their best is on a different level than any of the MCU Spider-man movies.
 
Yeap. He can just stick to going back to stopping street crimes.
 
I am also ok with it. Sony made the best Spider-Man movies with zero involvement from Feige/Marvel. The stupid MCU stuff in the last two movies were the worst part of both. We can finally have a movie were the character can stand on his own and not rely on endless dumb references to the MCU and Tony Stark.
 
Deadline’s article sounds like it came from Sony’s side of things, especially this little nugget they added about Tom Rothman who basically killed the Fantastic Four and put Deadpool on the backburner while he was at Fox:

Sources said that Sony reasoned that they will be fine, without Feige. And sources note that Venom was a problem picture and far from the polished product that grossed $856 million worldwide, until Rothman himself spent a good long time in the editing room helping to get it there.

Disney-Sony Standoff Spins Doubt On Kevin Feige’s Spider-Man Future – Deadline

Smh.
 
Have fun Spider-Man 1 for the fourth time, watching uncle Ben die for the third time, watching spider bite number 3. And watching Spider-Man be literally the only superhero in the world

Sig-worthy.
 
Deadline’s article sounds like it came from Sony’s side of things, especially this little nugget they added about Tom Rothman who basically killed the Fantastic Four and put Deadpool on the backburner while he was at Fox:

Sources said that Sony reasoned that they will be fine, without Feige. And sources note that Venom was a problem picture and far from the polished product that grossed $856 million worldwide, until Rothman himself spent a good long time in the editing room helping to get it there.

Disney-Sony Standoff Spins Doubt On Kevin Feige’s Spider-Man Future – Deadline

Smh.
From everything I've read on Rothman, he seemingly has no clue about CBMs. He absolutely lucked into Feige being willing to work with Sony to bring Spidey to the MCU and Into the Spider-Verse being done by people who cared about the source material.
 
Deadline’s article sounds like it came from Sony’s side of things, especially this little nugget they added about Tom Rothman who basically killed the Fantastic Four and put Deadpool on the backburner while he was at Fox:

Sources said that Sony reasoned that they will be fine, without Feige. And sources note that Venom was a problem picture and far from the polished product that grossed $856 million worldwide, until Rothman himself spent a good long time in the editing room helping to get it there.

Disney-Sony Standoff Spins Doubt On Kevin Feige’s Spider-Man Future – Deadline

Smh.

Let them fail. They’ll just try cramming in Sinister 6 again. Hell just bring in Osborn again because we haven’t seen him enough.
 
Not bothered by it. the BEST Spider-Man film of the year was ENTIRELY produced by Sony. It even won an Oscar.The ONLY Spider_Man film to do so.
Don't forget Spider-Man 2 also won an Oscar. The two best ones in my book, Oscar notwithstanding, but it is a cool boon.
 
LA Times says it’s dead, dead. No more talks. And doesn’t sound like there are 2 more MCU appearances before it ends. I can see why Disney is reluctant to put Feige’s team into making more Sony movies when there are already so much on his plate including that quite important streaming content without having a larger slice (with equivalent financing commitment not for free).

MCU is fine without it so as Sony without MCU — it will divide a number of fans though.
 
Sony's PR is trying to get out ahead of this but I think they've lost the PR war a bit. Also the part about Feige being too busy seems a bit unnecessary. Not hopeful that things will get worked out in the future since I really enjoyed Holland's Spidey in the MCU.
 
Sony made the best Spider-man movies, with Raimi, then they made the worst Spider-man movies. Somehow I don't see them bringing back the golden age of Spider-man movies.

The Sony hacks are also still there as a reminder of the goofy coke-fueled noghtmare they were cooking up for a Spidey shared universe.
 

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