Far From Home Spider-Man: Far From Home General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[Calvin Ellis]

Personally I would love it if Sony just made a live action trilogy using Miles as Spider-Man. Sony doesn't need to the MCU for Spider-Man to do good Spider-Man 1 & 2, The Amazing Spider-Man and Into the Spider-Verse has proven that. They just need to be smart about things and they can make it work. At this point the MCU needs them more mainly because they have built Spider-Man up as the next Iron-Man and the next big thing the MCU will center around. So Sony is in the drivers seat for the most part.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

Yeah I really don't understand why Disney would be willing to let Spider-man go after building him up so much in FFH and leaving us with that big cliffhanger. Certainly they know that would damage the public outlook of the modern MCU if they just never followed up on that.

I was initially under the impression that Disney would have one more movie to tie things up, but if that's not the case then one must wonder what they hell they were thinking. Why not wrap up FFH on a safe note if they knew they were going to make a risky money grab afterwards?

 

[Schlosser85]

Overconfidence that Sony would grant their demands?

 

[dennis_3107]

Or banking on backlash from fans who wish Sony to fail so Disney can just sweep them (spider man characters) up.

 

[Boom]

Maybe my reading of FFH was wrong, but I thought the whole point of that movie was that Spider-Man felt this pressure to be the "next Iron Man," and Happy ultimately told him to be his own man. Thematically, now would be a good time for Peter to cast aside the Tony Stark/Avengers crutch and make his own way.

They can still follow through on the cliffhanger. Peter working to clear his name can be done without MCU ties. Frankly, with how heavily they leaned into the MCU stuff with Vulture and Mysterio, I'd actually welcome it as a breath of fresh air. Last thing I need is Kraven being turned into "Disgruntled Stark Employee #67."

 

[Mr. Peanut]

I agree that Sony could easily follow up on it, but that's up to Sony now. Disney has essentially given up control over whether or not this major plot thread ever gets resolved (and in what way it gets resolved).

 

[Shikamaru]

I suspect Disney is expecting one of three things to happen:

1. Sony grants their demands and Disney gets 50% control.

2. Sony doesn't grant their demands but is forced to do so in a few years after their Spider-Man is (presumably) struggling and needs Marvel's creative control again.

2. Same as Option 2, except Disney buys out Sony's film division and fully own Spider-Man.

Either way, the goal is to dominate the film market and increase their monopoly. I don't think it's a conspiracy, it's a systemic thing.

 

[Mysteryman]

Try this on for size.
Marvel ALWAYS planned to ask for fifty percent.
They make Peter a part of the majority of the Avengers films, along with two solo films, counting on the fans to back them up when they demand their fifty percent.
Is that really so far fetched?

 

[DyeLorean]

The main problem for me is not that "they can't have MCU ties" but that Sony is known for making the shi***est creative choices, specially in live action Spider-Man films.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Try this on for size.
Marvel ALWAYS planned to ask for fifty percent.
They make Peter a part of the majority of the Avengers films, along with two solo films, counting on the fans to back them up when they demand their fifty percent.
Is that really so far fetched?

Not at all. And there's probably a lot of truth to this. I assume Disney is behind the leak in order to get fan support against Sony so they'll come back to the bargaining table and fold. I don't know if endgame is to get 50% still, but I think the hope is to get as much as they can.

 

[Schlosser85]

They probably started with a big number like 50% so even if Sony haggles it down, Disney will still end up with a lot more than it started with.

 

[antsman41]

The main problem for me is not that "they can't have MCU ties" but that Sony is known for making the shi***est creative choices, specially in live action Spider-Man films.

THIS.

 

[Superhero 101]

I think Sony will be fine without the MCU get the writers from the ps4 Spider-Man game, and introduce Kraven in the next film and you should have a really good story with spidey on the run with kraven hunting him around New York

 

[shinlyle]

The main problem for me is not that "they can't have MCU ties" but that Sony is known for making the shi***est creative choices, specially in live action Spider-Man films.

I struggle to think of a god choice they've made since Spider-man 2. I wonder how many time Feige and company had to slap their hands when they tried to push the "SINISTER 6 RIGHT NOW" button when they were making Homecoming and Far From Home?

 

[DyeLorean]

I struggle to think of a god choice they've made since Spider-man 2. I wonder how many time Feige and company had to slap their hands when they tried to push the "SINISTER 6 RIGHT NOW" button when they were making Homecoming and Far From Home?

It feels like Sony is more interested in making money (no blame there) but Feige and Co. are a lot closer sentimentally to the source material and want to make something worthy too. Say what you want about the MCU but it treats every character with respect and are faithful.
Sony just f**** things up. I remember those godawful villains in the TASM films and I want to vomit. Jesus Christ, they ruined Electro, Green Goblin and Rhino all in one film!

 

[Zarex]

Try this on for size.
Marvel ALWAYS planned to ask for fifty percent.
They make Peter a part of the majority of the Avengers films, along with two solo films, counting on the fans to back them up when they demand their fifty percent.
Is that really so far fetched?

No, this makes sense. It's a less seedy version of your friendly neighborhood drug dealer giving you a free sample. Once you are addicted to their product they have a customer for (a short) life.

Both studios were playing games. Sony was ALWAYS planning on moving Spidey into the Venomverse. And Disney was ALWAYS planning on eventually asking for a big cut, and most likely a path for full ownership.

Sony is betting on moviegoers embracing the current version of Spidey even without the MCU ties. And Disney is betting on Sony either a) caving on Disney's demands or b) mucking this up again and coming back to Disney sometime in the future. We shall see.

 

[ironwez20]

Personally I would love it if Sony just made a live action trilogy using Miles as Spider-Man. Sony doesn't need to the MCU for Spider-Man to do good Spider-Man 1 & 2, The Amazing Spider-Man and Into the Spider-Verse has proven that. They just need to be smart about things and they can make it work. At this point the MCU needs them more mainly because they have built Spider-Man up as the next Iron-Man and the next big thing the MCU will center around. So Sony is in the drivers seat for the most part.

Amazing Spider-Man was dull and into the spider verse was a cartoon not live action. Sony has proven they can’t make a film without meddling in it

 

[MahvelBaby!]

No, this makes sense. It's a less seedy version of your friendly neighborhood drug dealer giving you a free sample. Once you are addicted to their product they have a customer for (a short) life.

Both studios were playing games. Sony was ALWAYS planning on moving Spidey into the Venomverse. And Disney was ALWAYS planning on eventually asking for a big cut, and most likely a path for full ownership.

Sony is betting on moviegoers embracing the current version of Spidey even without the MCU ties. And Disney is betting on Sony either a) caving on Disney's demands or b) mucking this up again and coming back to Disney sometime in the future. We shall see.

That's why if Tom Holland walks it could really put a damper on that line of thinking.

Btw I agree 1,000% with bolded section.

 

[antsman41]

Venom is a bad 90's superhero film.

Terrible acting, very little source material, cheesy CGI, and a Swiss-Cheese plot.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man doesn't deserve to be tied to that nonsense.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Amazing Spider-Man was dull and into the spider verse was a cartoon not live action. Sony has proven they can’t make a film without meddling in it

That's your opinion and you're entitled to that but to me The Amazing Spider-Man movies (the first more than the second) were good. They reminded me of the Ultimate comics series. As for Into the Spider-Verse cartoon or not it was a great movie.

 

[Calvin Ellis]

Venom is a bad 90's superhero film.

Terrible acting, very little source material, cheesy CGI, and a Swiss-Cheese plot.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man doesn't deserve to be tied to that nonsense.

Tom Holland's Spider-Man doesn't deserve half of the things and credit it has gotten since they for the most part stole all the cool parts of Miles Spider-Man and gave it to him.

 

[Jordanstine]

Piecing together the reports from THR, Deadline, and other news outlets this is the timeline of what likely happened:

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Disney’s and Sony’s original deal had concluded after “Far From Home” where Disney was compensated 5% of every first dollar and Kevin Feige oversaw both of Sony’s Spider-man films but did not get any producer fee from Sony.


When it was time to renegotiate a new deal, Sony asked Feige to bring their Sony properties, specifically Venom, into the MCU and him to oversee their future Spider-centric projects. Fiege who had been noticeably hesitant in interviews last year to include Venom in the MCU, began opening up to the idea. But having more movies added to his already full plate, Feige understandably is not going to want to spend a lot of his time working for Sony, not only in their next Spider-man films but now also for Venom and all their other upcoming films for the same “pro bono” rate he did for the last two Spidey films.


Disney steps in and tells Sony if they want Feige, a Disney employee, to go to another studio and oversee all their upcoming Spider films including integrating them all into the MCU, they would like to see a 50/50 split on financing and revenue.


Sony who had been paying Disney only 5% balked at that request, possibly hoping Feige could do the extra work for the same rate from the previous deal they had in place.


Negotiations between the two inevitably went as far down as Disney not wanting to go any lower than 30% and Sony still refusing. Deal breaks down.


Sony then issued a statement that Spider-man can no longer be part of the MCU because Feige is too busy working on Disney’s new IPs.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Seems legit

 

[shinlyle]

Tom Holland's Spider-Man doesn't deserve half of the things and credit it has gotten since they for the most part stole all the cool parts of Miles Spider-Man and gave it to him.

Eh...not really. All they gave him was Ned...the Ganke hybrid. He's still more Ultimate Peter Parker than anything. Miles has blossomed more as a comic character since Bendis left him to more capable writers. His new series is head and shoulders above any of his previous stories, in my honest opinion. He feels like he has his own voice now...whereas before he was barely differential from Ultimate Peter Parker. He has more flavor, now. Honestly, I think I knew the character better after 4 minutes of Spider-Verse (the movie) than I did after 8 years reading the comics. Not a dig at Miles nor Bendis, I just think Miles is a better character now that Bendis is letting others handle him.

 

[shinlyle]

It feels like Sony is more interested in making money (no blame there) but Feige and Co. are a lot closer sentimentally to the source material and want to make something worthy too. Say what you want about the MCU but it treats every character with respect and are faithful.
Sony just f**** things up. I remember those godawful villains in the TASM films and I want to vomit. Jesus Christ, they ruined Electro, Green Goblin and Rhino all in one film!

Feige seem to genuinely care. Sony has proven they don't know HOW to care. They think the fans want big spectacle, and that's not WRONG, but they tend to handle things like DC did with their movie universe. Start it with one movie, then dive headlong into it for the next movie, and the third movie we can just put all the characters in there and the fans will eat it up. So many studios don't get that Marvel worked very slowly to get where they are. I mean, it was 4 years and 5 movies before they got to the first Avengers film. By the time people realized it was working, they had an empire rolling down the street. Remember when everyone used to claim that Avengers was going to be kindergarten compared to Dark Knight Rises? It OWNED the box office, and then DC started a whole new movie continuity from Man of Steel (chuckle), and it flopped hard. The Universal Monster-verse...the Godzilla Monsterverse, even...they all seem to be missing that crucial ingredient:

Kevin Feige.