The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man Reboot Costume Part 4 - "What's that in his eye??" edition

[tnr105]

While this piece of fanart isn't tied to the movie directly, it sheds some light on how the reboot idea came to be.

It is also a reminder that Venom was the least of the problems in Spidey 3

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I don't think that comic is entirely fair. Who knows how many elements were rushed because of a lack of total control on Raimi's behalf.

 

[Majik1387]

While this piece of fanart isn't tied to the movie directly, it sheds some light on how the reboot idea came to be.

It is also a reminder that Venom was the least of the problems in Spidey 3

 

[Alchemyst]

While this piece of fanart isn't tied to the movie directly, it sheds some light on how the reboot idea came to be.

It is also a reminder that Venom was the least of the problems in Spidey 3

 

[spida-man]

i call B.S on the person who wrote that fan comic...seriously when are ppl gonna stop complaining about SM3? it's not as bad as everyone makes it out to be and things that are stupid about that comic:

Harry's personality didn't turn on a dime....any idiot can see there was character develoment from te first film all the way through the second leading to the third...there was plenty of good reason for him to act the way he did..and the way his part of the story was written actually reminds me of classic spidey stories...
sandman and venom didn't team up for no describable reason...they both hated spider-man and wanted to eff him up......duh....

(as for how venom knew everything about sandman unfortunately that's not revelaed in the film itself but there is a comic called "THE BLACK" that gives more insight...the story for the comic was prob based off stuff from the original script..we all know SM3 had MANY scenes cut from it...)

and who knows? if sam raimi could have been able to continue making S-M movies perhaps he would have found a way to tie up all the lose ends...ppl need to seriously stop ******ing about this movie every friggin day....it's not that bad..not everything is Sam Raimi's fault.....and if anything related to the films sucks it would be that stupid MTV series that was based off the films....that..is over 9000 times worse than SM3 could ever be....
end of line(oh wait that's TRON)
end of rant

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well, i'm not one to defend SM 3 too heavily, but that comic is silly in that it's still just pushing blame on one person.

I would be curious to see how necessary the black suit would have been without venom, whether it was there at all, whether the need of the black suit needed Spidey to have a focus for his anger and revenge, hence retconning Uncle Bens death. That whole thing was a mess not because of 'one person' to blame, but because there was a mess of vision. A director wanting to do it one way but having to comprimise because the studio wanted it a completely different way. Regardless of who has the better idea, the moment a specific vision gets muddied like that you get SM 3, or at the extreme worst end of the spectrum, XMO: Wolverine.

 

[roach]

ppl stop complaining about Spider-man 3?????
ppl are still complaining about Jar Jar

 

[Wolvieboy17]

:d :d :d

 

[Majik1387]

And silver shoe flats that won't be seen...

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, alot of people who actually think that comic strip that was written is fact is just ignorant. You guys do realize that Sam's original plan was to have Gwen be captured, right? You guys realize tha the only reason Sam made Sandman an accomplice of Uncle Ben's killer is to bring out the dark side in Peter, right? Sorry guys, but the Symbitoe storyline is what made Sam have to change his original vision of the film. These are known facts.

 

[craigdbfan]

Agreed Spidey.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

its just a comic LOL
although I think the comic is actually pretty darn true which makes it funny

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Then you've been wrongly informed, man. I don't mean to start anything, but I do remember that you were very excited about S-M3 before it came out.

 

[batman11]

Wow, alot of people who actually think that comic strip that was written is fact is just ignorant. You guys do realize that Sam's original plan was to have Gwen be captured, right? You guys realize tha the only reason Sam made Sandman an accomplice of Uncle Ben's killer is to bring out the dark side in Peter, right? Sorry guys, but the Symbitoe storyline is what made Sam have to change his original vision of the film. These are known facts.

From what I recall, isn't this (bold) actually incorrect (i.e. Not one of your 'facts' about the evil of Sony, which, for the record, I do recognize)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the original story, with Vulture, he and Marko were cell mates, and Vulture was there to serve as the real evil villain, and Marko had always killed Ben. Yes, Marko killing Ben was so that they could play out the hate/sin/forgiveness trope, but this was all established well before the Venom and the symbiote were forced into the picture. So that decision really had nothing to do with Sony (that is what you were implying, wasn't it? Perhaps I misread...), since it was there all along (see Raimi's comments from art book in link below). With or without Venom, Sam set it so Peter was always going to be struggling with some darkness, rooted in the fact that Sandman was Uncle Ben's real killer.

http://books.google.ca/books?id=xMv...wCWhu8s&sig=dUCyXOjI0qWchKF76l-u6DUiraI&hl=en

And to anyone offended by that fan comic, come on, lighten up. It's clearly both a statement on the perceived flaws of the film, and, more so, a personification of the unrelenting flack from certain viewers (like those who still can't come to grips with SM3, that Sony exec just keeps plodding on and on). It's just a joke, mixed with truth to some, and parody to others. It's not the first time someone's ranted about the film (hence the whole point of the joke), and it certainly won't be the last.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Hmmm, the link you posted doesn't seem to be working, but I just looked through my copy of The Art and Making Of Spider-Man 3, and you are correct about Marko being the killer of Ben. However, I'm sure things would have turned out differently (even though I loved S-M3. S-M2 is my favorite of the trilogy) If the Symbiote story wasn't involved.

I just don't understand why people keep saying that even though Venom was pushed onto Raimi, Raimi could still have done a better job. Why the hell would someone want to do something that wasn't their idea to begin with? When you have a passion for something, it shouldn't be tangled with.

 

[Infinity9999x]

^^ Hmmm, the link you posted doesn't seem to be working, but I just looked through my copy of The Art and Making Of Spider-Man 3, and you are correct about Marko being the killer of Ben. However, I'm sure things would have turned out differently (even though I loved S-M3. S-M2 is my favorite of the trilogy) If the Symbiote story wasn't involved.

I just don't understand why people keep saying that even though Venom was pushed onto Raimi, Raimi could still have done a better job. Why the hell would someone want to do something that wasn't their idea to begin with? When you have a passion for something, it shouldn't be tangled with.

I agree with your statement that they shouldn't have messed with Raimi. After the first two films he certainly earned the right to have at least most creative control to himself.

However, the fact that he had a character included that he didn't like is no excuse for some of the very basic writing and character flaws that happened in the film. He could have done a better job. I understand that he didn't like Venom, but he could have changed the character to make him into something he did like. We know from Sandman and Doc Ock that he doesn't have problems making changes to the characters.

Raimi should have compromised. He should have realized he wasn't going to be able to do the story he wanted, and adapted his plans to make the storyline flow better, instead of trying to jam everything in and making the film suffer as a whole.

And no, it's not fair and it's crappy he had to do that, but it doesn't excuse him for making poor story decisions. Nolan had Rachel forced on him too, and yes, she was easily one of the weaker aspects of his films, but he didn't let her compromise the quality of his films.

 

[Spider-Who?]

While this piece of fanart isn't tied to the movie directly, it sheds some light on how the reboot idea came to be.

It is also a reminder that Venom was the least of the problems in Spidey 3

what does this have to do with this thread?

 

[itsleroy]

Rachel was forced on Nolan? I thought Nolan's work was uncompromisable!

 

[Travesty]

Hmmmm, all this SM3 talk makes me want to watch it again. I haven't watched it since I saw it in the theaters.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

what does this have to do with this thread?

Nothing. It's just that people here are children that like to keep posting things that are irrelevant, and then try to turn it around on us and say that we did it first.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

^^ Hmmm, the link you posted doesn't seem to be working, but I just looked through my copy of The Art and Making Of Spider-Man 3, and you are correct about Marko being the killer of Ben. However, I'm sure things would have turned out differently (even though I loved S-M3. S-M2 is my favorite of the trilogy) If the Symbiote story wasn't involved.

I just don't understand why people keep saying that even though Venom was pushed onto Raimi, Raimi could still have done a better job. Why the hell would someone want to do something that wasn't their idea to begin with? When you have a passion for something, it shouldn't be tangled with.

"The Art and Making of Spider-Man 3"? Is that a book or [art of the deleted scenes?

I thought that fan-made comic was funny. But like Spider-ManHero12 and others have said, it's not entirely true. Though it did provide a good laugh.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ It's an art book, yeah. tons and tons of pages. It was written by Grant Curtis and it goes through the whole process of the creation of S-M3 from June 2004 up until completion. It's massive.

 

[SpaceWay2009]

^Oh, nice. You're lucky to have one. After all these years, I'm still interested about the making of SM3, and how it was originally written before all the symbiote and Venom mess.

 

[chaseter]

While this piece of fanart isn't tied to the movie directly, it sheds some light on how the reboot idea came to be.

It is also a reminder that Venom was the least of the problems in Spidey 3

Sam didn't write the shooting script for the movie. He wrote a script that included Sandman and Vulture. You can thank people like Alvin Sargent (who also re-wrote this movie) for coming in and giving us what we got.

Lastly...this has nothing to do with this forum what so ever and it is not the reason this reboot came along. Sam leaving SM4 because Sony was once again forcing ideas upon him was the reason this reboot came along.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Yeah, can we drop this whole argument? Such old news, and no one is capable of an objective discussion anyway because it's essentially come down to fans of Raimi vs Non-fans. Not only is this a thread for a different film, but it's a costume thread. Take it somewhere else.