Star Trek Into Darkness - Part 3

[The Chris]

wasnt there a lesbian kiss at some point on deep space nine? im not too sure.

 

[childeroland]

Dax and the wife of one of her symbiont's past hosts. I think the wife was played by Susanna Thompson.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Ah, Dax. So hot but those spots always bugged me.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Racist!

 

[mclay18]

As much as I don't like J.J. Abrams' radio silence (in terms of story details) on this movie, I'm grateful that he was able to reach out like he did for the dying fan by screening an early cut of 'Darkness' for him before he passed.

It's a great act of kindness on his part.

 

[Dragon_316ca]

http://collider.com/j-j-abrams-star-trek-2-into-darkness-mi5-interview/221962/

JJ talks more about the movie (scroll down), plus his comment on the dying fan.

 

[wobbly]

Yeah ironically for all the progressiveness in its heyday (White Canadian and Black American kissing), Star Trek isn't doing much of that now.

Some Trekkie told me Trek has never even had a gay character.

Women still wear skirts, and sit in the back.

Well, there was Janeway... maybe that's why.

That is true. There was a rumour that 'Malcolm Reed' in Enterprise was going to be gay but they never went that route in the end.

And in fairness with no current TV show and the new films going back to the TOS era, there's not a whole lot of room for them to do anything 'progressive' that hasn't been done before in Trek, or isn't already more or less accepted by the public these days.

An openly gay character is the obvious one missing (Inter-racial and inter-species have long since been covered), and while they could bring one into the new films, given the limited time of each film (which will inevitably focus more on the big 2 of Kirk & Spock than anyone else) there's not a lot they can do with them other than them being there for the sake of being there.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Yeah, but they have had like what? Nearly a 1000 episodes (all series combined), and a dozen movies in a span of half a century. Had a fair bit of time.

Though there's also the joke about it not having any Jewish characters. Not counting Ferengi, of course.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Yeah, but they have had like what? Nearly a 1000 episodes (all series combined), and a dozen movies in a span of half a century. Had a fair bit of time.

Though there's also the joke about it not having any Jewish characters. Not counting Ferengi, of course.

On the Klingon homeworld, wasn't there the House of Rosenblatt?

 

[Soapy]

They kind of dealt with the subject in the episode when Riker fell in love with one of those monogendered aliens.

 

[terry78]

It would kind of feel very token-ish if they just threw one in there now.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah, but they have had like what? Nearly a 1000 episodes (all series combined), and a dozen movies in a span of half a century. Had a fair bit of time.

Though there's also the joke about it not having any Jewish characters. Not counting Ferengi, of course.

Ironic due to the fact that Shatner, Nimoy and Koenig are jewish and a fair number of the actors of the later series were as well.

However was religion ever really discussed on the show i.e christian, muslim characters? Meanwhile relationships of the heterosexual/inter-species variety have been very prominent.

 

[wobbly]

Ironic due to the fact that Shatner, Nimoy and Koenig are jewish and a fair number of the actors of the later series were as well.

However was religion ever really discussed on the show i.e christian, muslim characters? Meanwhile relationships of the heterosexual/inter-species variety have been very prominent.

They touched upon it indirectly (in TOS there was an episode where an overtly Roman like culture was putting down a religion the crew thought was 'Sun Worshippers', and they figured out near the end it was really "The Son" they were worshipping, paralleling Christ & so on.

DS9 had a similar 'saviour' theme going with Sisko as the emissary of the Bajoran Gods (who were really aliens living in the wormhole)

Other than Alien religions though I don't think ever they make much mention of earth religions beyond exploding an old myth or 2 (the Greek Gods revealed to have been super powered Aliens for example) and mentioning God from time to time (as in "Oh my God", or "Dear Lord", that kind of thing).

I think Roddenbury's idea was that his future Earth has a 'one world' philosophy with present day divisive factors & boundaries put behind them, and religion has always been a big divisive one throughout history, so it makes sense there'd be no big deal made out of any specific present day religion in terms of what Roddenbury wanted his future to be like.

 

[Number 6]

As much as I don't like J.J. Abrams' radio silence (in terms of story details) on this movie, I'm grateful that he was able to reach out like he did for the dying fan by screening an early cut of 'Darkness' for him before he passed.

It's a great act of kindness on his part.

I thought it was cool, too. But I have to admit, my inner cynical heckler can't help but think, what if it sucked? I'm sure no matter what the gesture would be what he remembered, but...still.

 

[DKDetective]

For the most part, with the obvious exception of Deep Space Nine, Trek, in particular Roddenberry's vision, has been rather atheistic, at least as much so as executives and censors would allow. Just think of all of TOS' false god stories and Who Watches the Watchers where Picard claims that it is a great achievement of the Mintakan people that they have already purged their society of any belief in the supernatural and religion and how him pretending to be a God is doing them a great injustice. As such, you never see any religious humans in any of the earlier TV series.

 

[dodgers2213]

Who Watches the Watchers where Picard claims that it is a great achievement of the Mintakan people that they have already purged their society of any belief in the supernatural and religion and how him pretending to be a God is doing them a great injustice. As such, you never see any religious humans in any of the earlier TV series.

one of the best episodes

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

No homo but the yellow captainshirt needs to be more form fitting.

Like this one.

 

[wobbly]

No homo but the yellow captainshirt needs to be more form fitting.

Like this one.

I think the tops for Abrams Trek are 2 piece, with the black form fitting vest (like Cumberbatch has above) being worn under the colored (red/blue or gold) top.

 

[The Squirrel]

Yeah, the black shirt is the uniform's undershirt.

 

[Dark Raven]

In the original series, Spock had a black undershirt, but Kirk merely had a black rim around the neck of his yellow shirt. When his shirt got ripped numerous times, he simply had a bare chest under there, and no undershirt.

 

[chamber-music]

underclothing was just another thing that slowed Kirk down when he wanted to get busy with some alien chick so he probably didn't bother with it

 

[The Squirrel]

In the original series, Spock had a black undershirt, but Kirk merely had a black rim around the neck of his yellow shirt. When his shirt got ripped numerous times, he simply had a bare chest under there, and no undershirt.

Ok, well that's the original series and not these films.

 

[Young Superman]

Do you guys and girls think the new Pike should walk again?

 

[CapedCrusader14]

No. But if he were to, it has to play out exactly like Dr Strangelove.

 

[Pink Ranger]

No. But if he were to, it has to play out exactly like Dr Strangelove.

I have a better idea: