Star Trek Sequel - Part 1

[raybia]

I will never like the idea of Star Trek taking place in an alternate universe to justify the existence of a reboot. But so long as I can enjoy it, no more time travel stories for at least another film or those having to do with parallel dimensions! If Kirk can come back younger, why Can't Piccard and Riker?

Because Picard and Riker are not as iconic as Kirk and Spock.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

The Klingons have been so overused in Star Trek that the thought of them as the villians leaves my feeling "MEH". I would rather see the Borg.

You say the Klingons are overused then suggest the Borg? LOL.

Outside of TNG, the Borg suck. And don't say Sof9 cause she was just hot.

I wish it had been the Andorians. That was the only thing Enterprise actually made interesting.

 

[raybia]

Its been awhile since I saw the last Star Trek movie, but IIRC:


- Kirk getting busted by Spock on cheating on the test. I loved the fact he got away with it in the original timeline.

Are you sure? I don't remember anything suggesting Kirk got away with it.

- Vulcan getting destroyed.

I think that was an very important scene. Its telling the audience that in JJs Star Trek universe, there is now an element of unpredictability.

- Sulu not getting enough screen time.

- Spock and Uhura hooking up was odd. I couldn't imagine Leonard Nimoy doing that with Nichelle Nichols.

I bet Nimoy imagined it at the time at least once.

- I love Leonard Nimoy, but I wish he wasn't in this since his cameo was just an obvious ploy to draw tickets. The movie didn't need him plus I hated how he was cool with just staying in the past. He should be trying to find a way to get back to his timeline!

He knew that it was futile to even try as the best he could do was to go into the future of the new timeline rather than return to another universe.




I'd add Yelchin to that.

I loved Yelchin.

 

[raybia]

You say the Klingons are overused then suggest the Borg? LOL.

Outside of TNG, the Borg suck. And don't say Sof9 cause she was just hot.

I wish it had been the Andorians. That was the only thing Enterprise actually made interesting.

Quick, tell me how many Star Trek movies the Borg has been the main villains of compared to the Klingons?

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Quick, tell me how many Star Trek movies the Borg has been the main villains of compared to the Klingons?

The heck I know or care about just the movies. My point is that the Klingons and the Borg are overused in Trek lore in general. There are many races that could be pulled from different eras and improved. I'd rather the Cardassians be fleshed out.

Nero sucked partly cause he could have been any other race from any quadrant. There was nothing Romulan about him. That's what the movies need to be doing.

 

[raybia]

The heck I know or care about just the movies. My point is that the Klingons and the Borg are overused in Trek lore in general. There are many races that could be pulled from different eras and improved. I'd rather the Cardassians be fleshed out.

Nero sucked partly cause he could have been any other race from any quadrant. There was nothing Romulan about him. That's what the movies need to be doing.

The Borg was in 1 feature film while the Klingons were in 8 feature films. My point was that I would rather see the Borg than the Klingons in the next movie since clearly the Klingons have been overused.

Plus I think it would be more interesting because the Federation already have knowledge of the Klingons while if the Borg was used it would be first contact.

Of course if they can invent a brand new threat then I'm all for that.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

What could they do with the Borg that wouldn't be a rehash of their first appearance, or of Best of Both Worlds, or of First Contact? Same thing with Khan. What could they do with him that Space Seed and Wrath of Khan didn't do better?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Same thing with Khan. What could they do with him that Space Seed and Wrath of Khan didn't do better?

I am by no means in favour of bringing back Khan, but I'll have to grudgingly admit there is still a ton of ground left to cover for this character. This man is supposed to be a conqueror of worlds, but we've really only seen him take over the Enterprise and beat up Kirk, and then become a undernourished apocalypse survivor bent on revenge.

We have yet to see Khan as the empire builder that he's supposed to be, so putting him at the head of a proper army and fleet might be interesting.

 

[Sawyer]

I am by no means in favour of bringing back Khan, but I'll have to grudgingly admit there is still a ton of ground left to cover for this character. This man is supposed to be a conqueror of worlds, but we've really only seen him take over the Enterprise and beat up Kirk, and then become a undernourished apocalypse survivor bent on revenge.

We have yet to see Khan as the empire builder that he's supposed to be, so putting him at the head of a proper army and fleet might be interesting.

That would keep me from completely hating it. If it's just a retelling of Space Seed.... bleh.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I would be all for using the Klingons. They're an integral part of Star Trek. How can you have a reboot series without them? It's like Batman with no Joker.

Give them an update, and some new ideas.

 

[dodgers2213]

Imagine if all the Khan speculation turned out to be a casting for Kor and a Klingon arc lol

Cardassians had a lot of time to be fleshed out in deep space 9. Imo

There are plenty of directions this movie can go. I prefer something large scale involving tensions between governments that develops over a series of movies. Starting at exploration at the core then moving grander

 

[flickchick85]

I suppose if the new timeline causes Khan to be discovered by someone other than the crew of the Enterprise, it could open up some interesting possibilities.

 

[cherokeesam]

The Borg was in 1 feature film while the Klingons were in 8 feature films. My point was that I would rather see the Borg than the Klingons in the next movie since clearly the Klingons have been overused.

Plus I think it would be more interesting because the Federation already have knowledge of the Klingons while if the Borg was used it would be first contact.

Of course if they can invent a brand new threat then I'm all for that.

Unless you're (unfairly) counting Worf, I count exactly half that number of films with Klingons. Namely, III thru VI, when Klingons dominated the movies from '84-'91.

I am by no means in favour of bringing back Khan, but I'll have to grudgingly admit there is still a ton of ground left to cover for this character. This man is supposed to be a conqueror of worlds, but we've really only seen him take over the Enterprise and beat up Kirk, and then become a undernourished apocalypse survivor bent on revenge.

We have yet to see Khan as the empire builder that he's supposed to be, so putting him at the head of a proper army and fleet might be interesting.

Yeah.....back in the time-skewed 1990s. I don't think JJ wants to warp these alternative timelines any more than absolutely necessary....unless he wants to go ahead and alt-history the hell out of the Federation and erase our own *real* timeline, in which the Eugenics Wars obviously never happened.

....(Or did they....? DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNN)

 

[Slushy]

I agree with The Borg being brought back since Kirk never encountered them.

Besides, the Klingons reached their peak in TDC with General Chang played in badass fashion by Christopher Plummer!

Re: Khan

Khan is the most iconic villain in Star Trek. The role MUST be played by a big name actor.

I will never like the idea of Star Trek taking place in an alternate universe to justify the existence of a reboot

It was a necessary evil otherwise it would've been 40 years of screwed up continuity they would've had to follow. Its easier to start fresh. It was also a failsafe in case the purists didn't like the Starfleet Academy days being shown in the original timeline

Are you sure? I don't remember anything suggesting Kirk got away with it.

He was the only person who passed the test and nobody knew how he did it. I think Dr. Marcus was the first person he revealed his secret to IIRC.

 

[Octoberist]

I hope we get some news today!

 

[Evil Twin]

Didn't Kirk get a commendation for "original thinking" for his solution to the Kobayashi Maru test in the original timeline?

 

[DrCosmic]

The subtext on the original timeline was that Kirk was rewarded for his cheating.

Khan is the most iconic villain in Star Trek. The role MUST be played by a big name actor.

None of the other more iconic characters were played by Big Name Actors. Why should Khan be any different?

The heck I know or care about just the movies. My point is that the Klingons and the Borg are overused in Trek lore in general. There are many races that could be pulled from different eras and improved. I'd rather the Cardassians be fleshed out.

Nero sucked partly cause he could have been any other race from any quadrant. There was nothing Romulan about him. That's what the movies need to be doing.

I'm not sure the movies *need* to be fleshing out massive amounts of lore. Nero substance, which could have been given many different ways.

Oh villains, any Khan-like person will do, imho. If it's Khan, if it's Tor/Kor (who, theoretically, should have been killed by Nero with the Klingon Fleet), they need a military mastermind.

If he's that way because he's genetically engineered, well, that could be cool, and with that kind of 'perfection' he'd be pretty ideal to take on Spock and Kirk at once. And perhaps he might have the original "Number One" by his side? Perhaps he'll be Federation? or Rogue Federation... lots of ways to go with Khan in an alt universe.

If he's a gifted member of another race, we have lore building to do, and the, um 'lamestream' doesn't take to well to that. The scene with Klingons and Nero in prison? Just 'too confusing' for the public.

 

[Airwings]

The only villains availabe at this moment in the alternate Star Trek universe, are the klingons. We already had romulans with Nero. Unless we want romulans again, there are no really other than klingons.
But since this is different from classic ST cannon, maybe there should be some vulcans with an evil agenda. Not logical, I know, but still. What a twist if a bunch of vulcans want revenge for their destroyed home planet?

I have another crazy idea, that could work for a THIRD film in the rebooted series. Kirk and the rest could go up against borg. I don't think the Kirk Enterprise would be crushed. Why? Because by this time, the borg cube has more than 70 years less technological knowledge than the ones we see in Next Generation.
A sort of switch bewteen villains here. But that doesn't mean we will see young Picard and young Riker fight with Khan during their first mission. That would be too much freedom with the story material.

 

[Destructus86]

I'd like to see JJ's version of the Klingons.

 

[John Locke]

You can. They're in the deleted scenes of the first one.

 

[Destructus86]

You can. They're in the deleted scenes of the first one.

they don't count....I suspect the scenes were deleted because JJ was not happy with the appearance of the Klingons

 

[John Locke]

I think they were deleted because they confused the audience.

 

[Evil Twin]

The only villains availabe at this moment in the alternate Star Trek universe, are the klingons. We already had romulans with Nero. Unless we want romulans again, there are no really other than klingons.

Any villain that appeared at any time in Star Trek is available. Alien races such as the Gorn, Tholians, etc. are just as available as the Klingons or Romulans. Heck, there's plenty of backstory in Star Trek about the Federation dealing with dictators who escape from justice.

 

[Raiden]

Not ST sequel related, but it does have something to do with Star Trek:

George Takei plays peacemaker with the SW-ST feud, by asking fans to unite against Twilight

 

[Thundercrack85]

What do you mean by available? Aside from them mentioning Klingon ships during the Kobayashi Maru test, they're never seen on screen (not counting deleted scenes). Obviously other alien species exist.

The reason they will probably use Klingons is because having a Trek reboot without them is like having a Batman reboot with no Joker.