The Force Awakens Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens Trailer #1 Discussion - Part 1

[Lord]

Lucas was a great ideas man, he's someone who just needs to be kept in check and not given 100% power. The prequels are full of ideas that were better used in EU material and had great promise, and were good enough to rival stuff from the originals. I mean, Darth Maul had such a small role, yet his design is quickly associated with the franchise, he had the potencial to be up there with Darth Vader as the big icons of SW, Grievous in his original Clone Wars appearance was also realy creepy, the new planets in the Prequels had a nice look too, the clones started getting better once they were given more of a spotlight in the 2008 cartoon, etc.

I do think that the Prequels still got the scale right, for me, Star Wars has always been a series of adventures in the middle of a war, with multiple storylines that converge and lead into the same conclusion, i think even Pirates of the Caribeban got that right. I hope the new film follows this type of structure too, Abrams's Star Trek films didn't realy have those "little adventures in between", even if it shared other elements from SW.

 

[BatLobster]

It's sad that George will probably have to pass away before a large portion of the fanbase is willing to let go of their hatred.

None of this Episode VII excitement would be happening right now if lot for Lucas. Not just because he created this universe, but because he chose to pass his work down to the next generation.

I give Lucas a lot of credit for letting go of his baby. A good analogy that comes to mind is Vince McMahon and the WWE. It's Vince's baby and he definitely is a genius who built an empire out of a brilliant vision, but the company has been suffering for a long time because he's become increasingly out of touch with what his fans want. The company would probably be much better off in the hands of his son-in-law, but rather than gracefully stepping aside, he remains the boss and there's nobody to really keep him in check. He's a workaholic and he'll die before he gives up control of his baby. Before news of the Disney sale, I feared a similar fate for Lucas, just constantly tinkering with his movies and putting out special edition after special edition for the rest of his days.

It's great that Lucas will be able to enjoy his retirement unburdened by this monster he created, and it's great that we get some fresh blood to continue building the saga.

 

[marcvader]

Hatred is ridiculous. But there is nothing hyperbolic about how lousy he was with the prequels.

Thats true but he's more than the prequels.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thats true but he's more than the prequels.

I don't understand your point. Of course he is, but when people complain about him it is the prequels, Indy 4 and the OT Special Editions. He'd probably mess with Indy now if it wasn't for Spielberg and his respect for his good friend.

I like Indy 4 by the way. Some of it I love.

 

[Destructus86]

It almost kinda looks like the Storm Troopers are on Kamino.

 

[MaceB]

I give the man huge props and credit for the original idea but I dont want his continued involvolvement in the series. The guy can't write or direct anymore. Period. Look at what he did to the great actors at his disposal. it's sad because he was such an idol of mine, but the truth is that he's a much better market than he is a story teller, at least as he is today.
It's clear that he got really frazzled by the fan reaction to the prequels. We had always been on his side and when we turned, he promptly put the whole starwars thing behind him. Its for the best.
I think a big reason for the initial success of ANH was due to the audience relating to Luke so much. That boy staring into the horizon, who's told to stay small when he knows in his heart that he wants to bear the unknown and strive for greater things. It's been a while but it was pretty much that way for graffiti too, and honestly for Lucas himself growing up in Modesto. So that was Lucas' great story. In ESB, making vader Luke's father was a stroke of genius, because it told us more about Luke. After that... The quality began to go down hill; so much so, that all traces of relating to ANY character was soon gone.
That's what we need - we need the human touch. Lucas can't do that, but I'm starting to think Abrams can.

 

[BatLobster]

It is for the best that the franchise is moving on, but I just feel like now that we're in this new era the classy thing to do would be to not constantly drag his name through the mud.

The thing with the prequels is multifaceted. He was a different guy in a different part of his life, and the story itself was a much different kind of story. On top of that he had become fixated with being on the digital frontier and that added to the loss of the human touch. In so many ways I feel like the story of I-VI (Anakin's story) is really also a grand, space opera version of George's life story.

I just think now that we're moving forward, it's about time we cut the man some slack rather than constantly dragging his name through the dirt. Holding onto hatred and resentment is not the Jedi way.

 

[Justgc]

made this return of the jedi trailer in the style of the force awakens teaser, check it out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8yl2iE2F9g

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Meh. I would still like to see Spielberg direct the final film of this new Trilogy.

It seems like he was always meant to direct one. He was wanted for Return of Jedi I believe....but I forget what happened.

It would be fitting for him to do the 3rd and final film...since he would probably never have a shot again.

For old times sakes!

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Hatred is ridiculous. But there is nothing hyperbolic about how lousy he was with the prequels.

Release your anger....only your hatred can destroy Lucas!

 

[WC Avengers]

Serious STAR WARS fan-

THIS DUDE MAKES ME CRY! LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y19XU5neu-o#t=279

 

[Iceman]

2 things.

Lucas fully deserves all his billions for creating Star Wars. The guy was a genius.

He also deserves a daily fart in his mouth from a stomach-bug incapacitated Vince McMahon at breakfast time for Jar Jar Binks and much other prequel and special edition related crap.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

2 things.

Lucas fully deserves all his billions for creating Star Wars. The guy was a genius.

He also deserves a daily fart in his mouth from a stomach-bug incapacitated Vince McMahon at breakfast time for Jar Jar Binks and much other prequel and special edition related crap.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I was always happy to let him tinker to his hearts content and release as many different versions as he wanted, but intentionally depriving people of the original theatrical cuts always was and always will be an assy move.

I didn't even mind most of the changes aside from Han shooting Greedo and swapping out Boba Fett's awesome voice for Jangos lesser one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was always happy to let him tinker to his hearts content and release as many different versions as he wanted, but intentionally depriving people of the original theatrical cuts always was and always will be an assy move.

I didn't even mind most of the changes aside from Han shooting Greedo and swapping out Boba Fett's awesome voice for Jangos lesser one.

Those bother me to no end. The added Jabba scene, Hayden at the end of RotJ, and messing with the editing of the finale of Empire also really get to me.

Han and Greedo just looks bad, same with the Jabba scene. The Jabba scene also doesn't work in context. How Han acts with Jabba and spoiling Jabba before RotJ. Doesn't work at all imo.

 

[WC Avengers]

I was always happy to let him tinker to his hearts content and release as many different versions as he wanted, but intentionally depriving people of the original theatrical cuts always was and always will be an assy move.

I didn't even mind most of the changes aside from Han shooting Greedo and swapping out Boba Fett's awesome voice for Jangos lesser one.

I must agree!

George did say that years and years from now no one will ever see the original theatrical versions. Only the special editions will be available. Not sure where I read that but he said that.


Obviously George under-estimated the POWER of the FAN FORCE! All people do is try and restore the films to theatrical versions.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Agh I forgot about the Jabba/Han scene and Hayden. Also Jedi Rocks. Ugh. I haven't watched these in awhile but now it's all flooding back.

It seems there is a lot more than just the two bits that piss me off after all.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I must agree!

George did say that years and years from now no one will ever see the original theatrical versions. Only the special editions will be available. Not sure where I read that but he said that.

Obviously George under-estimated the POWER of the FAN FORCE! All people do is try and restore the films to theatrical versions.

It's a completely nonsensical decision, especially from the man who has encouraged so much fanmade material over the years. Just stick the damn things on the Special Editions as extras and people would be happy, George. I have a Blade Runner dvd that has like 97 different cuts on it. It isn't hard.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Just seemed kind of rude to the guy who had the role of "redeemed Darth Vader".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Agh I forgot about the Jabba/Han scene and Hayden. Also Jedi Rocks. Ugh. I haven't watched these in awhile but now it's all flooding back.

It seems there is a lot more than just the two bits that piss me off after all.

Oh God Jedi Rocks...

Just seemed kind of rude to the guy who had the role of "redeemed Darth Vader".

Same with the voice of Jabba. He basically erased performances.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Those bother me to no end. The added Jabba scene, Hayden at the end of RotJ, and messing with the editing of the finale of Empire also really get to me.

Han and Greedo just looks bad, same with the Jabba scene. The Jabba scene also doesn't work in context. How Han acts with Jabba and spoiling Jabba before RotJ. Doesn't work at all imo.

It was all bad dude. Lucas must have been feeling the effects of his acid trips in the 70's

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am one of the few fans that hates the prequels and has no problem with the Special Editions.

 

[hopeless]

I am one of the few fans that hates the prequels and has no problem with the Special Editions.

No there are some parts of the Special Edition changes that make sense, not all mind you!

As for the Prequels well... I just try to imagine they could have been much worse, just imagine if Liam Neeson or Ewan McGregor hadn't played those roles for example...

 

[WC Avengers]

*One thing that has really bothered me is the "darkside and the light"! reference.

I can't remember anytime in the Star Wars film universe that they referred to the "FORCE" as the LIGHT-SIDE!

It always has been the FORCE and the DARK-SIDE of the force.

I am curious, has it been referred by that in the now Canon Clone Wars series?

It was one thing that really stuck out to me in the trailer.

 

[Gianakin_]

I've heard this complaint before. What I do, is I take it as "the Dark Side" and the Light, not as in "the Light Side" but as just "the Light". And I find it very powerful.