Star Wars - Part 7

[Hunter Rider]

No. I'm talking about the very first ones that they encounter before entering the factory. Sure, they charge at them but they are still only half their size.

Judge them by their size do you? Anakin was there to rescue Obi Wan and being attacked, he did as he was tought and took the threat out.

 

[Spideyfan93]

So I was watching New Hope last night, and I completely forgot about when Luke finds his aunt and uncle's skeletons laying there in the mist of a destroyed home.

That **** is traumatizing! Kind of scary...

 

[OptimusPrime114]

So I was watching New Hope last night, and I completely forgot about when Luke finds his aunt and uncle's skeletons laying there in the mist of a destroyed home.

That **** is traumatizing! Kind of scary...

And you know what's worse about that?

It was Darth Vader who ordered their execution.

 

[Golgo-13]

So I was watching New Hope last night, and I completely forgot about when Luke finds his aunt and uncle's skeletons laying there in the mist of a destroyed home.

That **** is traumatizing! Kind of scary...

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

eh, that fan art looks inaccurate to me, given what we see in the film, in the film it looks like the house has been firebombed and they have crawled out while burning to death, hence the smoke coming out of the house and the positioning of the skeletons.
and Darth gave an order to kill anyone who had come into contact with the plans, that's why the Jawas were slaughtered, he wouldn't have given any kind of personal order to kill the skywalkers.

 

[OptimusPrime114]

eh, that fan art looks inaccurate to me, given what we see in the film, in the film it looks like the house has been firebombed and they have crawled out while burning to death, hence the smoke coming out of the house and the positioning of the skeletons.
and Darth gave an order to kill anyone who had come into contact with the plans, that's why the Jawas were slaughtered, he wouldn't have given any kind of personal order to kill the skywalkers.

The Larses and their homestead were cremated AFTER Vader gave the order.

 

[gohei_]

Judge them by their size do you? Anakin was there to rescue Obi Wan and being attacked, he did as he was tought and took the threat out.

Well, this might not be a valid point, but according to Wookiepedia, the Jedi code clearly states that Jedi do not kill unarmed enemies, which is exactly what he did. I know it might not be canon for the movies, but I still think he did wrong there. But that is just my opinion

 

[Speedball]

I don't think Vader gave an order to kill the Lars'... Like Thebumwhowalks, anyone who came into contact with the droids was to be "taken care of", and they wouldn't have needed Vader permission to kill the Lars Family, because they already had it. When he was Anakin Skywalker, he never felt any anger toward the Lars, they freed his mother for goodness sake. I feel like if he had known, they would have been spared.

It's also a lawless planet on the fringes of the galaxy that the Empire had very little control over, the Stormtroopers could have gotten away with ANYTHING.


edit- well, looked it up on wookiepedia and apparently he did order their death, but it's from some EU book, which means you can accept it as part of canon or not, if you so choose. To me, Vader isn't pure evil, and that right there is pure evil. To me, Vader seems like a very confused man, with great power, being influenced by someone who is pure evil.

 

[Mandalore464]

Well that is pretty much what I was trying to say, not that he cared for them but he knew that what he did was wrong and was angry/sorry about it.

You first wrote (correct me if I'm wrong) that it was illogical of Anakin to feel remorse over killing the Tuskens and then kill hundreds of Geonosians without missing a heartbeat.

I said it was logical because the remorse he felt over the slaughtering of the Tuskens was only due to his motives (killing in retaliation), while killing the Geonosians was just defending himself against enemies who -armed or not- clearly tried to attack him and Padmé.

So there's nothing illogical here to me. Anakin is just a whiny wuss who felt he was a better Jedi/person than he really was, hence the remorse over the Tusken massacre.

 

[gohei_]

You first wrote (correct me if I'm wrong) that it was illogical of Anakin to feel remorse over killing the Tuskens and then kill hundreds of Geonosians without missing a heartbeat.

I said it was logical because the remorse he felt over the slaughtering of the Tuskens was only due to his motives (killing in retaliation), while killing the Geonosians was just defending himself against enemies who -armed or not- clearly tried to attack him and Padmé.

So there's nothing illogical here to me. Anakin is just a whiny wuss who felt he was a better Jedi/person than he really was, hence the remorse over the Tusken massacre.

OKey I see your point, I guess I read your previous post a little too fast. I was only talking about the killing in general.

 

[dark_b]

star wars japanese

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbpslRxy8T0&feature=related

 

[Nathan]

Star Trek?

Chad Vader plays basketball
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[OptimusPrime114]

star trek japanese

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbpslRxy8T0&feature=related

Wrong thread, dude.

 

[Nathan]

Right Thread. Just wrong franchise.

 

[Golgo-13]

I don't think Vader gave an order to kill the Lars'... Like Thebumwhowalks, anyone who came into contact with the droids was to be "taken care of", and they wouldn't have needed Vader permission to kill the Lars Family, because they already had it. When he was Anakin Skywalker, he never felt any anger toward the Lars, they freed his mother for goodness sake. I feel like if he had known, they would have been spared.

It's also a lawless planet on the fringes of the galaxy that the Empire had very little control over, the Stormtroopers could have gotten away with ANYTHING.


edit- well, looked it up on wookiepedia and apparently he did order their death, but it's from some EU book, which means you can accept it as part of canon or not, if you so choose. To me, Vader isn't pure evil, and that right there is pure evil. To me, Vader seems like a very confused man, with great power, being influenced by someone who is pure evil.

Why would he spare them? He loved Obi Wan like a brother/father but struck him down in a heart beat. He was no longer Anakin Skywalker, and hated everything that reminded him that he was once he, which is why he never returned to Tatooine; and that's one of the reasons why Obi Wan chose to hide there.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Why would he spare them? He loved Obi Wan like a brother/father but struck him down in a heart beat. He was no longer Anakin Skywalker, and hated everything that reminded him that he was once he, which is why he never returned to Tatooine; and that's one of the reasons why Obi Wan chose to hide there.

Obi-Wan was a Jedi - as keep in mind that he believe Obi-Wan had turned Padme against him, making his decision to chose the Dark Side ironic and even a little futile. On top of that, Obi-Wan was to blame for the current state Darth Vader was in (at least in the eyes of Vader).
In short, Darth Vader blames Obi-Wan for EVERYTHING that happened to him. Owen didn't do anything - the only thing he knew of the Lars family was that they saved his mother from slavery - you might say "couldn't he blame the Lars family for Shmi being captured and killed?" The answer is no. Anakin took full responsibility and hated himself for not being able to save her - if anything it comes back to the Jedi who prohibited him from seeing his mother again, and also did not teach him how to save his mother from death.

In the eyes of Darth Vader, the only person that he might see as doing good to him besides the Emperor would probably be the Lars family, which is the irony behind his order to acquire the droids by ANY means necessary.

 

[Speedball]

Obi-Wan was a Jedi - as keep in mind that he believe Obi-Wan had turned Padme against him, making his decision to chose the Dark Side ironic and even a little futile. On top of that, Obi-Wan was to blame for the current state Darth Vader was in (at least in the eyes of Vader).
In short, Darth Vader blames Obi-Wan for EVERYTHING that happened to him. Owen didn't do anything - the only thing he knew of the Lars family was that they saved his mother from slavery - you might say "couldn't he blame the Lars family for Shmi being captured and killed?" The answer is no. Anakin took full responsibility and hated himself for not being able to save her - if anything it comes back to the Jedi who prohibited him from seeing his mother again, and also did not teach him how to save his mother from death.

In the eyes of Darth Vader, the only person that he might see as doing good to him besides the Emperor would probably be the Lars family, which is the irony behind his order to acquire the droids by ANY means necessary.

Exactly, Vader has been shown to kill Jedi without remorse, except for the case of Starkiller, who he only spared because he saw potential in using him to destroy the Emperor. I've never read about Vader personally ordering the killing of innocent citizens. It was Tarkin who ordered the destruction of Alderaan, not Vader. He couldn't challenge Tarkin either, because Tarkin directly answers to the Emperor, and if Tarkin were to mention that Vader questioned a direct order from him and showed that he cared for the lives of what could be considered collateral damage, the Emperor would flip his s***. He may have killed Rebels, but they chose to fight him.

This is one of the only cases of in he EU that I won't acknowledge happening. However, if Vader used the deaths of the Lars family as a sign of loyalty to the Emperor, which he will later get his revenge, then it may be acceptable. If Vader was watching the deaths of Lars family, I wonder what would have happened if Luke was still there. He would have seen his son, and known it was his son.

 

[Doctor Jones]

So I gotta ask, I think this has been asked, did Vader know he was Luke's father in ANH? Or since Lucas didn't even know when he was writing it at the time, we can carry that thinking into the the films?

 

[OptimusPrime114]

So I gotta ask, I think this has been asked, did Vader know he was Luke's father in ANH? Or since Lucas didn't even know when he was writing it at the time, we can carry that thinking into the the films?

No, he found out later. He tortured a Rebel pilot who gave up Luke's name. It was in a comic book called "Vader's Quest".

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

Surely Vader would have hunted down his son to make him his apprentice, so no, he couldn't have known.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

No he didn't - but he did know that the force was strong with him.

 

[The Navigator]

Surely Vader would have hunted down his son to make him his apprentice, so no, he couldn't have known.

You could argue that ESB's title crawl has indicated he's learned the truth:

"The evil lord Darth Vader, obsessed with finding young Skywalker..."

But then the scene with the Emperor doesn't make any sense because Vader acts like this is a very casual surprise to him.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

eh, that fan art looks inaccurate to me, given what we see in the film, in the film it looks like the house has been firebombed and they have crawled out while burning to death, hence the smoke coming out of the house and the positioning of the skeletons.
and Darth gave an order to kill anyone who had come into contact with the plans, that's why the Jawas were slaughtered, he wouldn't have given any kind of personal order to kill the skywalkers.

The real story about the Lars family is actually here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MMAoOPa0Pg&feature=fvst

 

[The Navigator]

The real story about the Lars family is actually here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MMAoOPa0Pg&feature=fvst

I like the Robot Chicken version as well, although I can't find it on YT.
"It is now okay to laugh about the little orphan Annie joke."

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

But then the scene with the Emperor doesn't make any sense because Vader acts like this is a very casual surprise to him.

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